Sabbath: The Lord's Day

[ozell]

Now if you like we can break Galatians 4v 22-31 verse by verse

Genesis 17:19-20 (KJV)
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. [20] And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Now read Galatians 4v27 (KJV)
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Ishmael had many children
Isaac had 2 children

 

[DABEARS8519]

What did God tell you to do?

Sunday is the worship of the sun God

Who told you to worship on Sunday?

Does that individual supersedes Jesus words?

I simply explained the history of why we worship on Sunday, and also the history behind Christmas, and other things. Knowing scripture and interpreting it starts with knowing the history behind that scripture as well. Without the knowledge of history, we have people believing it is a sin for women to wear makeup, for wearing pants, or any other stupid man-made doctrine. You have to know the reasons behind them.

That being said, do you view it as such a bad thing that Sunday was changed to what it was? I'd recon that the simple change to Sunday has converted countless numbers of pagans into Christianity. I don't think the Lord would object to that. Nobody actually worships a sun god anymore, and if you are worshiping the Lord everyday, what does it matter?

Let's not even mention the fact that our calender is wrong, and Saturdays and Sundays as we know them now are more than likely not coordinated with days 1 through 7 as the Lord created them, so even practicing the Sabbath day on Saturday could still be wrong on all accounts.

 

[JaumeJ]

Please stop using the term "Jew" or "Flesh Jew" as if it is something derogative. The greatest Jew of all is Yeshua, Jesus Christ, the Savior of all who believe.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

JaumeJ, does making a claim to be jewish avail a man anything?
not to mention, making a false claim to be jewish?

no, neither.

People who speak of being guided by the Holy Spirit, and yet do not understand the previous teaching from Romans should learn and not prop themselves up to be teachers. It is obvious, according to the teaching we are of the same Olive Tree. It is sad that so many curse the original tree, the result of so doing is contained in the teaching. May Yahweh have mercy on these people and turn them to the Way of Yeshua, amen.

 

[cenallen]

People who speak of being guided by the Holy Spirit, and yet do not understand the previous teaching from Romans should learn and not prop themselves up to be teachers. It is obvious, according to the teaching we are of the same Olive Tree. It is sad that so many curse the original tree, the result of so doing is contained in the teaching. May Yahweh have mercy on these people and turn them to the Way of Yeshua, amen.

please spare me the drama. i haven't cursed ancient israel.
i know very well salvation came from the Land of Israel, the remnant of israel, and specifically out of Judah - Jesus.

i curse attacks on the Cross by the enemies of it, attacks on the christian chruch, and i laugh at gentiles who lust after being an ancient hebrew (flesh).

the original tree doesn't exist today in the way you think it does

WE ARE IN the original tree! LOL! you're referring to branches broken off - and those mentioned 1900 years ago.

if the descendants of the ancient hebrews do exist today, they are not who you think they are.
that's what's a shame and disgrace - so-called followers of Jesus bowing in obsequiouness to herodian-like imposters, calling THEM the original tree!
why should i be inviting to imposters?

you, dear JaumeJ might wish to take another look at Romans.

 

[JaumeJ]

no, he THINKS he is a jew (because he heard some black liberation theology which told him he was...).
as if being a flesh jew helps in any way regardless.
what a sorry condition.

JaumeJ, does making a claim to be jewish avail a man anything?
not to mention, making a false claim to be jewish?

no, neither.

please spare me the drama. i haven't cursed ancient israel.
i know very well salvation came from the Land of Israel, the remnant of israel, and specifically out of Judah - Jesus.

i curse attacks on the Cross by the enemies of it, attacks on the christian chruch, and i laugh at gentiles who lust after being an ancient hebrew (flesh).

the original tree doesn't exist today in the way you think it does

WE ARE IN the original tree! LOL! you're referring to branches broken off - and those mentioned 1900 years ago.

if the descendants of the ancient hebrews do exist today, they are not who you think they are.
that's what's a shame and disgrace - so-called followers of Jesus bowing in obsequiouness to herodian-like imposters, calling THEM the original tree!
why should i be inviting to imposters?

you, dear JaumeJ might wish to take another look at Romans.

You believe the original olive tree no longer exists, then neither do you. It exists for me, and it exists for any others who believe Yeshua. Read the Word as given by Yahweh, and not by a vast majority of men who agree with each other without consulting Yahweh. It is very sad that you believe the tree and roots are dead, and you are simply a living branch living somewhere in the ethers on your own power. Your nourishment is of Yeshua by means of the original tree, do not curse that tree by saying it is no longer in existence. This is exactly what the teaching is warning against; learn it.

 

[cenallen]

C

where do it to not get circumcised?

be circumcised if you want to - it avails you nothing.
if you are doing it to be justified by the Law, Christ will be of NO effect to you!

 

[cenallen]

You believe the original olive tree no longer exists, then neither do you.

i said it DOES - and we are in it (i am, i don't know about you).

It exists for me, and it exists for any others who believe Yeshua.

answered above.

by the way: did you worship a false deity at the Fort Antonia Wall on your trip to the communist kibbutz?

It is very sad that you believe the tree and roots are dead,

what nonsense.
the root is Christ, the tree is alive and well.
it is the christian church comprised of all who have placed their faith in Christ (the jew first, then the gentiles - subsequently any individual who hears His voice).

all others are unbelievers in need of the gospel...all (spiritual) 'gentiles' (spiritually uncircumcised) according to scripture.

you can't call yourself a jew then call certain unbelievers jews (just because that's what they call themselves).
which is it?

and you are simply a living branch living somewhere in the ethers on your own power.

this is barely worth discussing since you are just another not-so-secret worshipper of a certain group of pagans.

i am in Christ, by the Grace of God, through faith in Christ Who is The Root, and the Vine.

you, however think unbelieving jews (corrupt Judaism adherents) are somehow 'chosen'. they are not more 'chosen' than islamists or atheists. still don't understand what Jesus accomplished (The Will of God) do you.

does your heart turn equally toward sikhs, animists, and other pagans as it does toward kabbalists? of course not. you don't really believe in the New Covenant and all that entails.

Your nourishment is of Yeshua by means of the original tree, do not curse that tree by saying it is no longer in existence. This is exactly what the teaching is warning against; learn it.

my nourishment comes from jews?

DO NOT put words in my mouth.
i said the TREE DOES exist, and i am in it by the Grace of God.
what's that got to do with your kabbalistic kibbutz?

if anyone is treasonous to Christ it would be those dupes who give power and worship to people who were NEVER of the original tree.

 

[JaumeJ]

Some of the branches were broken off due to their unbelief, not ALL of the original branches. As for your posts, I have reviewed enough of them to understand you do not like anything dealing with Jews, even to the point of contradicting teachings from the Word. Please cut the drama, as you have said, you are not going to continue in this vein with people who believe Yeshua, it simply is not to be. And you should never chide a brother in Yeshua for knowing he is in the original tree, grafted in because by definition all who are may be referred to as children of Israel or Jews if you prefer. Of course the word Jew is adverse to your use on yourself even though Jesus walked the earth He created as a Jew. That must really hurt you.

Please excuse my seeing what I expected to see as opposed to what you had typed, but you still think Jews are not the root and original tree in existence today, chalk it up to advanced md.

 

[cenallen]

Some of the branches were broken off due to their unbelief, not ALL of the original branches.

that's right.
and so are they the ones who remained IN CHRIST?
are they Christians?
is there any difference between jew and greek IN CHRIST?

you say there is, then you say there isn't.

As for your posts, I have reviewed enough of them to understand you do not like anything dealing with Jews, even to the point of contradicting teachings from the Word.

show where i contradict.
you have a love affair going with gentiles who converted to the obscene and blasphemous religion of the pharisees, whom Jesus called spiritually sons of the devil.

are you contradicting Jesus in your respect of persons (immature romanticism based on lies).

i have no problem whatsoever with jews - i know they are deceived gentile pagans who need the Gospel. you however have some other (unbiblical view), and if anyone will answer for puffing them up and keeping them the Gospel its enablers such as yourself.

Please cut the drama, as you have said, you are not going to continue in this vein with people who believe Yeshua, it simply is not to be.

no, i believe Jesus.
you believe talmudists, and elevate them to being THE ROOT!

And you should never chide a brother in Yeshua for knowing he is in the original tree, grafted in because by definition all who are may be referred to as children of Israel or Jews if you prefer. .

what kind of twisted ideology is this?
do you know WHO IS ISRAEL? CHRIST.
if you can not grow up and make clear biblical distinctions concerning 'spiritual jews', why keep playing with smoke and mirrors? (that whole series of teachings by paul was to put to rest the same stumbling blocks you keep setting up. when will you stop it?)

Of course the word Jew is adverse to your use on yourself even though Jesus walked the earth He created as a Jew. That must really hurt you..

so infantile.
why don't take some time and really learn, JaumeJ?
you're enabling an entire group of people who have been just as deceived as you are.

we're all aware Jesus and His church began in Judea, and nearly all were jews - just as the scriptures have said.

i can't excuse you for your ignorance concerning Judaism today.
nor what constitutues jewry today.

the only problem i have with jews comes not from jews - to each his own religion - i only take issue when unlearned christians drag leaven into the christian church through the antichrist/anti-Jehovah religion of Judaism. such as yourself.

Please excuse my seeing what I expected to see as opposed to what you had typed, but you still think Jews are not the root and original tree in existence today, chalk it up to advanced md.

you can't even be bothered to know the truth.

jews are not THE ROOT - what treason. jews exist today. your problem is you choose to be blind to what Judaism is.

And again Isaiah says, “[The root of Jesse will come, even he who arises to rule the Gentiles; in him will the Gentiles hope.”

is this about talmudic jews (or any jews)? or is it JESUS CHRIST?

you think Talmudic gentiles who claim to be jews are "the original tree"? shame on you!

how can that be when they are unbelievers who despise the Cross, and Jesus Christ? is that your LIVING OLIVE TREE??

Matthew 21 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.


again: did you worship a false deity (Caesar, among the pantheon of Judaic gods) at the remnant of the Praetorium while on your pilgrimage to admire all things Kabbalistic?

 

[JaumeJ]

that's right.
and so are they the ones who remained IN CHRIST?
are they Christians?
is there any difference between jew and greek IN CHRIST?

you say there is, then you say there isn't.



show where i contradict.
you have a love affair going with gentiles who converted to the obscene and blasphemous religion of the pharisees, whom Jesus called spiritually sons of the devil.

are you contradicting Jesus in your respect of persons (immature romanticism based on lies).

i have no problem whatsoever with jews - i know they are deceived gentile pagans who need the Gospel. you however have some other (unbiblical view), and if anyone will answer for puffing them up and keeping them the Gospel its enablers such as yourself.



no, i believe Jesus.
you believe talmudists, and elevate them to being THE ROOT!



what kind of twisted ideology is this?
do you know WHO IS ISRAEL? CHRIST.
if you can not grow up and make clear biblical distinctions concerning 'spiritual jews', why keep playing with smoke and mirrors? (that whole series of teachings by paul was to put to rest the same stumbling blocks you keep setting up. when will you stop it?)



so infantile.
why don't take some time and really learn, JaumeJ?
you're enabling an entire group of people who have been just as deceived as you are.

we're all aware Jesus and His church began in Judea, and nearly all were jews - just as the scriptures have said.

i can't excuse you for your ignorance concerning Judaism today.
nor what constitutues jewry today.

the only problem i have with jews comes not from jews - to each his own religion - i only take issue when unlearned christians drag leaven into the christian church through the antichrist/anti-Jehovah religion of Judaism. such as yourself.



you can't even be bothered to know the truth.

jews are not THE ROOT - what treason. jews exist today. your problem is you choose to be blind to what Judaism is.

And again Isaiah says, “[The root of Jesse will come, even he who arises to rule the Gentiles; in him will the Gentiles hope.”

is this about talmudic jews (or any jews)? or is it JESUS CHRIST?

you think Talmudic gentiles who claim to be jews are "the original tree"? shame on you!

how can that be when they are unbelievers who despise the Cross, and Jesus Christ? is that your LIVING OLIVE TREE??

Matthew 21 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.


again: did you worship a false deity (Caesar, among the pantheon of Judaic gods) at the remnant of the Praetorium while on your pilgrimage to admire all things Kabbalistic?

You have a talent for twisting and perverting what others quote from the Word..........Too bad you do not channel that talent toward learning the truth and being free. Study the Word, especially the Old Testament, in it you will find Yeshua and His followers. Please do not deny Jews who are followers of Messiah, they were the caretakers of the Word until the Good News was spread abroad to gentiles everywhere. You should keep quiet about their damnation in your most humble esteem and learn from them. Shalom b'shem Yeshua, v'toda.

 

[Abishai]

How I see false accusers here when they have nothing to defend themselves!
I am truly tired of debating with the people who quote vague and irrelevant verses. They only think they can win.
Hmm! I remember some of my many debates with Muslims. To whom the death of Jesus is nothing but a fable introduced by his apostles. The words of apostles are not even valid to many of so called Christians here. Some of them even approve suicide!!! Now that's another topic. But I am just saying here because what can be expected of such people who virtually encourage such acts.
They shamelessly deny the Word of God which means what it says and hypocritically claim that they are the only obedient people. I am glad that His sheep hear His voice.
The old covenant is gone because no one could be justified by the law but the new covenant is written in our hearts by the grace of God and we are justified by our faith in Christ Jesus our Lord. Period!

 

[angelofmercy]

How I see false accusers here when they have nothing to defend themselves!
I am truly tired of debating with the people who quote vague and irrelevant verses. They only think they can win.
Hmm! I remember some of my many debates with Muslims. To whom the death of Jesus is nothing but a fable introduced by his apostles. The words of apostles are not even valid to many of so called Christians here. Some of them even approve suicide!!! Now that's another topic. But I am just saying here because what can be expected of such people who virtually encourage such acts.
They shamelessly deny the Word of God which means what it says and hypocritically claim that they are the only obedient people. I am glad that His sheep hear His voice.
The old covenant is gone because no one could be justified by the law but the new covenant is written in our hearts by the grace of God and we are justified by our faith in Christ Jesus our Lord. Period!

Beloved, you must let go of ALL that is old and done away with. The point of this and what I am saying is that HOW a person worships should not be judged of another. Outside of that which seperates us, the perception; the "how", a muslim's life is no different than our own. We are all subjected to the vanity of the elements.

 

[angelofmercy]

Are we not to bless our enemies?


I say there is NO GREATER blessing than to see your enemies LIVE, even though they may seek your life.

 

[Abishai]

Beloved, you must let go of ALL that is old and done away with. The point of this and what I am saying is that HOW a person worships should not be judged of another. Outside of that which seperates us, the perception; the "how", a muslim's life is no different than our own. We are all subjected to the vanity of the elements.

I am commanded to defend the faith and I think I am just doing that. You are right in saying we should cast all our old things and again I think I am just doing that - I don't want anything old thing crawling back into my life which the Lord has wiped it off on the cross.
As for Muslims, I am sure I am different than they are by the grace of God; in that they believe not in the Son and His death. They quote vague verses from the Bible to prove their point and I am seeing just that here - this is what I meant.
I am not judging how others worship God but I am not letting others judge me how I worship God - whether I worship Him on Sunday or Saturday or any day or everyday of the week for that matter.

I think brother, you should tell THEM (and NOT US) not to judge us how and when we should worship God. We worship God while we work too, because we worship Him in Spirit and His Spirit is in us always, yes even on Wednesdays.

 

[angelofmercy]

I am commanded to defend the faith and I think I am just doing that. You are right in saying we should cast all our old things and again I think I am just doing that - I don't want anything old thing crawling back into my life which the Lord has wiped it off on the cross.
As for Muslims, I am sure I am different than they are by the grace of God; in that they believe not in the Son and His death. They quote vague verses from the Bible to prove their point and I am seeing just that here - this is what I meant.
I am not judging how others worship God but I am not letting others judge me how I worship God - whether I worship Him on Sunday or Saturday or any day or everyday of the week for that matter.

I think brother, you should tell THEM (and NOT US) not to judge us how and when we should worship God. We worship God while we work too, because we worship Him in Spirit and His Spirit is in us always, yes even on Wednesdays.

The bible says that all has went after the imaginations of their own heart. Remember beloved, there is ONE faith.

Romans 12:1-3


I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

 

[cenallen]

I am commanded to defend the faith and I think I am just doing that. You are right in saying we should cast all our old things and again I think I am just doing that - I don't want anything old thing crawling back into my life which the Lord has wiped it off on the cross.
As for Muslims, I am sure I am different than they are by the grace of God; in that they believe not in the Son and His death. They quote vague verses from the Bible to prove their point and I am seeing just that here - this is what I meant.
I am not judging how others worship God but I am not letting others judge me how I worship God - whether I worship Him on Sunday or Saturday or any day or everyday of the week for that matter.

I think brother, you should tell THEM (and NOT US) not to judge us how and when we should worship God. We worship God while we work too, because we worship Him in Spirit and His Spirit is in us always, yes even on Wednesdays.

how this is not understood i do not know.

 

[cenallen]

Remember beloved, there is ONE faith.

and are you saying islam's faith is included in the ONE faith?
are you a universalist, angelofmercy?

Beloved, you must let go of ALL that is old and done away with. The point of this and what I am saying is that HOW a person worships should not be judged of another. Outside of that which seperates us, the perception; the "how", a muslim's life is no different than our own. We are all subjected to the vanity of the elements.

 

[cenallen]

You have a talent for twisting and perverting what others quote from the Word..........Too bad you do not channel that talent toward learning the truth and being free. Study the Word, especially the Old Testament, in it you will find Yeshua and His followers. Please do not deny Jews who are followers of Messiah, they were the caretakers of the Word until the Good News was spread abroad to gentiles everywhere. You should keep quiet about their damnation in your most humble esteem and learn from them. Shalom b'shem Yeshua, v'toda.

what is there to twist in what you said.
its right there for all to see: jews are the ROOT, not Jesus.
and unbelieving jews at that.

keep quiet about damnation? in your world that means jews don't need the Gospel.
esteem and learn from unbelieving jews who hate Christ?
help yourself.

stop twisting what I SAY.
the jews who believed and do believe are in the Tree, the Israel of God, the Christian church.
but you're ashamed to be called Christian.
would you leave the gentiles to eat with the jews like peter did?
i wonder.

 

[angelofmercy]

and are you saying islam's faith is included in the ONE faith?
are you a universalist, angelofmercy?

If a christian, high in faith were to say to a person who could not walk, "In the name of Jesus Christ may you walk" and he does, you being witness to it, what would you say?

 

[cenallen]

If a christian, high in faith were to say to a person who could not walk, "In the name of Jesus Christ may you walk" and he does, you being witness to it, what would you say?

do muslims worship the True God angelofmercy?
are they saved?