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Oh no Feedm3, I did not get defeated. By you ignoring to fix your error in regard to not rightly diving the Bible, you have failed to prove your argument against the Biblical Doctrine of Eternal Security. You just cannot do it. Eternal Salvation of the Christian in the Church Age is a Biblical doctrine.
If I say something offensive let me know.
And yea, that is correct. I did not write those articles. That's the point. If I can show you someone else who totally refutes your silly argument, then that is what I am going to do.
You should have pasted Bible, not endless doctrines of men. I need not to paste anyone writing to refute you. I have easily done so with passages. So I would like you to do the same.
No, I have properly defended this issue of eternal security in the Church Age. No, I already addressed what seemed to you as a contradiction. And I told you why I answered that question the way I did, so you cannot say that I overlooked it or ignored it.
I said this so you would not dwell on salvation by earning, through works. If you still want to go ahead.
If you continue using that, then answer these to yourself, here is the question again:
1. Is repentance and obedience as "keeping his commands" a work or the duty of a Christian? Please answer according to Luke 17:10
2. If one does his "duty" does that mean he is deserving of a reward, or he "earned anything?
If you answer honestly, you will see, anyone with the attidude of thinking obeying God deserves anything is full of pride, as Luke 17 says, even after we keep all that is commanded, we are STILL unprofitable servants.
Read the last post, I did address it. In that post, I also refuted your FALSE statement about there being only ONE resurrection and judgment. For you to make such an ignorant statement shows that you do not your Bible too well.
You are disagreeing NOT refuting. I dont mind you disagreeing, but you keep saying you refuted me, that would mean you showed logical valid arguments that make more sense then mine, that would be a refutation.
Yes there is. It is in the Bible. Here let give you the Scriptures so you can read them:
11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
13 Be silent, O all flesh, be fore the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation. - Zechariah 2:11-13 (KJB)
12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
13 Be silent, O all flesh, be fore the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation. - Zechariah 2:11-13 (KJB)
The coming of the Messiah, and establishment of His church - Matt 16:18, the new covenant with Israel and Judah, as well as the Gentiles. IT HAS BEEN FULFILLED BY THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH
5 So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house.
6 And I heard him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.
7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places. - Ezekiel 43:5-7 (KJB)
6 And I heard him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.
7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places. - Ezekiel 43:5-7 (KJB)
The Place God dwells now is IN the Christian, because the Christian is NOW part of HIS body, and His body is the church.
Written to the Corintian CHURCH:
II Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people
Written to the ROMAN CHURCH:
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his
I Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord
EZE 43:5-7 FULFILLED
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. - Ezekiel 37:26-27 (KJB)
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. - Ezekiel 37:26-27 (KJB)
Here again, the church:
"his Tabernacle":
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God
The "everlasting covenant":
HEB 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away
EZE 37:26-F. FULFILLED
21 And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts: I will go also.
22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.
23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. - Zechariah 8:21-23
22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.
23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. - Zechariah 8:21-23
This is concerning the NEW Covenant, and it's inclusion of the Gentiles:
I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
"his neighbor and bother" is showing every man ONLY taught other Jews in the first covenant, but under the NEW they will not limit themselves to the "neighbors and brothers" but it is a Covenant for all men of any race:
Rom 1:16 for I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to the Jew first and ALSO THE GREEK: -ZEC 8:21-23 FULFILLED
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. - Revelation 20:4-6 (KJB)
These Scriptures show that the Lord Jesus Christ will be literally ruling and reigning from Jerusalem.
so you believe it is a literal "beast" and literal "marks on their foreheads"? You think vs 1-3 in Rev 20 are literal "chains" "bottomless pitts", "serpents" and "dragons"?
If not, then what in this figurative context makes Jerusalem, and a 1ooo years literal?
Show why, give a valid reason.
My reason for knowing they are figurative is valid and logical.
1. the context is highly figurative - "the bottomless pit", the "dragon", the "serpent" the "great chain" all figurative. So keeping things in context, the "looo years" and the "place Jerusalem" are also figurative, as God expects me to use the common sense he gave me when interpreting these things.
So theres my logical valid reason, so what's yours?
In fact the first Chapter of Rev tells you it is going to be a symboical book:
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
See that word "signified", it means to symbolize the truth.
Same word used here:
John 5:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die
Notice he "signified" his death by saying "he would be "lifted up", which was a figurative way of saying the would be crucified, without actually saying it.
The entire book of Rev are "signifying" things, that you and many others NEED and WANT to be literal, yet youy can not even show why.
Lets look at just 6 terms found in the first 3 passges of Revelation 20:
1. "the key" - no one believes God needs a literal "key" that will free Satan. God is all powerful.
2. "a great chain", figurative, unless you believe in this spiritual place, angels use big chains to capture dragons.
3. Dragon - figurative term to describe Satan
4. Serpent - same as above
5. the bottomless pitt - figurative, unless you beleive their is a literal pitt that if one falls into he will just fall for eternity.
6. the 1000 years. Mention in the same context as all the other terms above. So why are these terms figurative, yet this ONE term, is not?