Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[Katy-follower]

I ask again, are you confident you're saved?

No I am not. Will not know until I am either in the first resurrection...or when my name is called in the final judgment

This is a worrying response.

The moment you are saved you know it. The Holy Spirit dwells in you and you become a new creature in Christ. You also know where you're spending eternity.

If you're waiting until judgment day to find out, it's too late then. You can't turn the clock back and accept the free gift of salvation once you're dead. It has to happen now, in this life.

I urge you to turn to Jesus.

 

[Eccl12and13]

"...the works of the Spirit leads to heavenly rewards. So, the works of the Spirit is for reward and not salvation..."

The kingdom of God IS salvation!

There are only TWO options here....

Being in the kingdom of God.....

Or,

Being in the lake of fire!



The reward IS being saved from the lake of fire!


The reward and the salvation are one in the same!


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[Eccl12and13]

This is a worrying response.

The moment you are saved you know it. The Holy Spirit dwells in you and you become a new creature in Christ. You also know where you're spending eternity.

If you're waiting until judgment day to find out, it's too late then. You can't turn the clock back and accept the free gift of salvation once you're dead. It has to happen now, in this life.

I urge you to turn to Jesus.

Let's read when some will find out their fate......

Rev.20
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

These were judged based on what they did before they died. Just as ALL will be judged.

Now let's read of some that THOUGHT they were saved but were not.....


Matt.7
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Now let's think about the above for a moment.

First of all, the day being spoken of for the above is judgement day. It is NOT speaking about the day of the Lord's return. How do we know this? Let's read.....

Zech.14
[1] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
[2] For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
[3] Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
[4] And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
[5] And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

When Jesus returns and sets His feet on the mount of Olives, God's word tells us He will bring the 'saints' with Him. So those that come with Christ will KNOW they have been spared the lake of fire and the second death. They will not be contesting with the Lord about their actions as those we read above in Matt. 7.

Now....getting back to Matt. 7. Does it sound like those contesting with the Lord on judgement day are drug dealers, prostitutes or gangbangers? No! Those the Lord speaks of in Matt.7 are some that truly believed what they were doing was the will of God. Let's read again what they are saying....

"....have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?..."

These people truly believed the things they were doing was right. These are those that called themselves Christians. They are pleading their case to the Lord because they are scared and are aware of the outcome if the Lord does not see things their way.

These so called Christians died THINKING they were saved! They died THINKING the things they were doing was the will of God. These were not murders, thieves and idol worshipers! These were as most of those that are on the forum are today.....they just KNOW their fate!


But when did these so called Christians find out their TRUE fate? When the books were opened and their names were NOT read!


Now...concerning your statement;

"If you're waiting until judgment day to find out, it's too late then. You can't turn the clock back and accept the free gift of salvation once you're dead."

God's free gift was given to ALL men when Jesus died. When Jesus shed His blood, salvation was at that moment available to ALL that would hear the word, believe in the words that they heard and OBEYED those words to the best of their abilities.

But salvation will not come to all. You are correct...once you are dead you cannot go back. All that must be done must be done while we are alive.

And you will find out your fate at one of two times; When you find yourself returning with Jesus as a saint when He returns to rule this earth for 1000 years....

or,

When you either hear, or do not hear your name read from His books!



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[cfultz3]

The kingdom of God IS salvation!

There are only TWO options here....

Being in the kingdom of God.....

Or,

Being in the lake of fire!



The reward IS being saved from the lake of fire!


The reward and the salvation are one in the same!


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I was agreeing with you. Perhaps we are talking on two different planes. Not to correct you, but the settlement (reward) of our case having been won by Jesus is everlasting life. Because we have been redeemed (delivered) from that adverse setencing of death through the death of Christ, we are rewarded, as one is rewarded in a case, for having been found not guilty and not worthy of a judgment of death (justified). Now, as pertaining to the rewards of good deeds, we do seek our treasure in Heaven which is acquired by obedience to the Law of Love spoken to you by the Spirit.

But, yes!! There are only two options for one's final destination. It is either the Kingdom of God, where God shall live among those who have received deliverance from death (salvation) in His Holy City, or the kingdom which shall only know of God's wrath, having no day or night, no pause.

 

[Eccl12and13]

I was agreeing with you. Perhaps we are talking on two different planes. Not to correct you, but the settlement (reward) of our case having been won by Jesus is everlasting life. Because we have been redeemed (delivered) from that adverse setencing of death through the death of Christ, we are rewarded, as one is rewarded in a case, for having been found not guilty and not worthy of a judgment of death (justified). Now, as pertaining to the rewards of good deeds, we do seek our treasure in Heaven which is acquired by obedience to the Law of Love spoken to you by the Spirit.

But, yes!! There are only two options for one's final destination. It is either the Kingdom of God, where God shall live among those who have received deliverance from death (salvation) in His Holy City, or the kingdom which shall only know of God's wrath, having no day or night, no pause.

I agree with that!

 

[Eccl12and13]

To those that still insist that the keeping of God's commandments are not needed for eternal life...let's read what the word of God has to say about what will save a man, along with every other thing that is needed; hearing the word of God and having faith in the word of God.....

Ezek.18
[20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
[21] But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

And what death is it that the wicked is saved from when they stop sinning? The second death. Now let's confirm this...

[27] Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

God tells us over and over, from Gen. to Rev. what man must do for salvation: He must first hear the word of God, he must have faith in the words that he hears and then he must OBEY those words he now has faith in!

That is the order in which man is able to be saved. That is the ONLY order salvation can be obtained. For who can obey words they have not heard? Or who can have faith in words that have not been brought to them?

Jesus already came to restore salvation for ALL of mankind with the shedding of His blood. But ALL of mankind will not receive salvation. Because all of mankind is not going to do those actions required to receive eternal life.

James 1
[22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
[25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.


Readers.....the grace that Christ gave us was the shedding of His blood. So what do we do now? Do we continue to sin because we now have faith in the blood of Jesus?



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[cfultz3]

To those that still insist that the keeping of God's commandments are not needed for eternal life...let's read what the word of God has to say about what will save a man, along with every other thing that is needed; hearing the word of God and having faith in the word of God.....

Ezek.18
[20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
[21] But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

And what death is it that the wicked is saved from when they stop sinning? The second death. Now let's confirm this...

[27] Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

God tells us over and over, from Gen. to Rev. what man must do for salvation: He must first hear the word of God, he must have faith in the words that he hears and then he must OBEY those words he now has faith in!

That is the order in which man is able to be saved. That is the ONLY order salvation can be obtained. For who can obey words they have not heard? Or who can have faith in words that have not been brought to them?

Jesus already came to restore salvation for ALL of mankind with the shedding of His blood. But ALL of mankind will not receive salvation. Because all of mankind is not going to do those actions required to receive eternal life.

James 1
[22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
[25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.


Readers.....the grace that Christ gave us was the shedding of His blood. So what do we do now? Do we continue to sin because we now have faith in the blood of Jesus?

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Wonderfully said.

 

[cfultz3]

For those who do not understand, he is not talking about the sacrificial or priestly laws which contained regulations on how one can stand righteous before God and how He is to be served through the Law, but the laws which the Spirit speaks of: the laws of morality (no lying, stealing, adultry, etc...), the laws of percepts (do not enter into the door of a harlot, seek first the LORD in all you do, the love of money is a root of every evil, etc), and the commandments which tells us of God's essense, the personification of Love. If these laws which define the requirements God seeks in one are forsaken, then how can one come to know God? Wisdom stands at the corner beckoning to be heard. Go and hear her say, "He who endures into the end shall enter into God's rest". Be not one of those who is stubborn and resists His Voice, we all know what happened to those wondering in the wilderness who were. Do you hear Him?

 

[duewell]

if keeping the law and commandments of God was all that was needed for eternal life, what need for a new testament? if humans could keep them on their own, would there have been a need for Jesus? it was our inability to keep Gods word that led to Jesus and the new testament. our faith in Jesus, the son of God will save us, as Jesus does this for us. its the whole point of the new testament. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believe in him will have eternal life. Jesus will conform us to the law and commandments. as it was impossible for man to conform them to their selves on their own.

all things serve God, even the disobedient. the disobedient child will be punished and the obedient child will be forgiven. the truth of your actions and intentions are known to God, for God was with us the entire time. if you revel in disobedience you will be punished. if you struggle to be obedient you will be forgiven. the issue of if you sin after you have been saved is one that is one that caused me much distress. i know i deserve the punishment, yet i have faith i will be forgiven. rest assured if you get lost along the way, Jesus will be there to bring you in, if you would only call out to him for help.

the many things that seem to be brought up are issues that have been around for a few thousand years. we should spend more time confessing our sins than questioning them. confess and ask Jesus for help, have faith in Jesus and leave the "how it works" up to him. once done you will understand that our highest calling is to teach peace and love. for you will then have both. i am a witness

Duewell
mark 4 v 11-13

 

[Abiding]

if keeping the law and commandments of God was all that was needed for eternal life, what need for a new testament? if humans could keep them on their own, would there have been a need for Jesus? it was our inability to keep Gods word that led to Jesus and the new testament. our faith in Jesus, the son of God will save us, as Jesus does this for us. its the whole point of the new testament. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believe in him will have eternal life. Jesus will conform us to the law and commandments. as it was impossible for man to conform them to their selves on their own.

all things serve God, even the disobedient. the disobedient child will be punished and the obedient child will be forgiven. the truth of your actions and intentions are known to God, for God was with us the entire time. if you revel in disobedience you will be punished. if you struggle to be obedient you will be forgiven. the issue of if you sin after you have been saved is one that is one that caused me much distress. i know i deserve the punishment, yet i have faith i will be forgiven. rest assured if you get lost along the way, Jesus will be there to bring you in, if you would only call out to him for help.

the many things that seem to be brought up are issues that have been around for a few thousand years. we should spend more time confessing our sins than questioning them. confess and ask Jesus for help, have faith in Jesus and leave the "how it works" up to him. once done you will understand that our highest calling is to teach peace and love. for you will then have both. i am a witness

Duewell
mark 4 v 11-13

I really agree with this a person would be much better served helping him to see his constant need
of the Lord and to stay in Him with His words in us. The same job gets done, and alot quicker.

 

[loveme1]

Revelation 14

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

It is a can't have one without the other, it all goes hand in hand.

One sin and we are sentenced to death...

The 10 Commandments of Yahvah God teach us what we have done wrong and teach us what we should do right.

Yahvah God is good and his Commandments are good.

Life is our journey home, there is only one guide there is only one Yahvah God.

Consider then the 10 Commandments to be our list of do and do not's...
Consider they come with Love, love that manifest into flesh to redeem us, love that is Merciful, Love that is our Creator.

Now we all know that a good teacher ask you to do nothing he can not do himself... he came to lead now let us follow.

The humble look not for a "get out clause" they submit to the will of Yahvah God.




When Yahshua the Messiah is called upon he comes, by my own witness he comes.

I changed inwardly that shows outwardly by striving to obey the Commandments of Yahvah God not for but because of my Salvation that i have Faith in:

John 3

9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[loveme1]

I changed inwardly that shows outwardly by striving to obey the Commandments of Yahvah God not for but because of my Salvation that i have Faith in:

To correct what i wrote there must be a " by " My Salvation that i have have by Faith in.

Forgive me.

 

[cfultz3]

To all,

Duewell = black Me = purple

if keeping the law and commandments of God was all that was needed for eternal life, what need for a new testament? if humans could keep them on their own, would there have been a need for Jesus? it was our inability to keep Gods word that led to Jesus and the new testament. our faith in Jesus, the son of God will save us, as Jesus does this for us. its the whole point of the new testament. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believe in him will have eternal life. -- No one is saying that, seeing that it is impossible for anyone to keep the whole Law blamelessly. And I am sure we all understand this to be the reason why Jesus came with a different plan. What does the Spirit speak,'Do no steal, kill, lie'. 'Don't go with them, they are lusting after blood.' How about, 'Don't bow your knees to that wooden statue', 'Be merciful. And Love' Guess what, these all are Laws of God. And if one does not hearken to the Spirit as concerning these things, do you suppose that he can enter God's rest with a hardened heart of stubbornness? Faith needs its corrections from the Spirit, and it is hearkenings from the Spirit which are the deeds of the Spirit . Faith without these works of obedience is a dead faith.

Jesus will conform us to the law and commandments. as it was impossible for man to conform them to their selves on their own. -- The Spirit tells us of God's will, and inasmuch as Jesus Himself said, 'Not my will, but your will be done', we have the choice to obey, otherwise, who is rewarded for obedience? Jesus willfully obeyed the leading of the Spirit and look how He was rewarded. Indeed, He will conform us if we hearken. Again, I point to Hebrews 3 and 4. Specifically verse one of chapter 4, 'Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.'

all things serve God, even the disobedient. the disobedient child will be punished and the obedient child will be forgiven. the truth of your actions and intentions are known to God, for God was with us the entire time. if you revel in disobedience you will be punished. if you struggle to be obedient you will be forgiven. the issue of if you sin after you have been saved is one that is one that caused me much distress. i know i deserve the punishment, yet i have faith i will be forgiven. rest assured if you get lost along the way, Jesus will be there to bring you in, if you would only call out to him for help. -- Everything you said here is true, but what of the one who through a stubborn heart grieves His Voice and abandons God (Heb 3)?

the many things that seem to be brought up are issues that have been around for a few thousand years. we should spend more time confessing our sins than questioning them. confess and ask Jesus for help, have faith in Jesus and leave the "how it works" up to him. once done you will understand that our highest calling is to teach peace and love. for you will then have both. i am a witness -- We should instead spend more time obedient to His Voice and there will be less time spend in confession. The Spirit does not, and will not lead us astray, only a stubborn heart will. To whom you obey, to that you are a servant to. Shall it be to the flesh, and death your reward. Shall it be to the Spirit, and heavenly treasures beyond measure yours for being a faithful son, like the Son. As for me, I will hearken to the Spirit who speaks of God's Law summed up in Love.

Duewell
mark 4 v 11-13

 

[Eccl12and13]

".... our faith in Jesus, the son of God will save us,..."

Ok....you have faith in Jesus. Do you continue to sin? Do you continue to do the action that caused you to need a saviour?

'...the disobedient child will be punished and the obedient child will be forgiven. the truth of your actions and intentions are known to God, for God was with us the entire time. if you revel in disobedience you will be punished. if you struggle to be obedient you will be forgiven....

Readers...listen to what this person is saying. Your "actions and intentions" are known to God. And how will God judge ALL of us; Christians AND sinners? On our actions and our intentions. Consider this....


If we murder someone that is sin. If we continue to kill, lie, steal or break any of God's laws it is sin and if we die in them we will be punished. Now if we THINK of murdering someone it TOO is sin. And if we continue to THINK of murdering, lying, stealing and any of God's laws it is sin and if we continue in this act..if our intentions of breaking God's laws continue and we die in them we will be punished. Is this not true?

Above you say,

"... if you revel in disobedience you will be punished."

Now who is doing this? Sinners! Now let's read what you say next;

"... if you struggle to be obedient you will be forgiven...."

Now WHO is struggling to be obedient? IS it sinners? NO! It is those that have decided to follow the true and living God that are trying to be obedient! And what is being obedient? Being obedient is trying to do what God tells us. God tells us to be righteous! God tells us to be like Him; Holy! And what does it take to be righteous and holy? Keeping His laws and commandments.

You asked why did we need Jesus. Well.....it is true....Man sinned, thus bringing upon ALL of mankind a death sentence. This death sentence could ONLY be removed by the shedding of blood. Now either man would have to die for the sins that he committed or something else. Either way, some blood would have to be shed.

Well....did God now want ALL of His creation to die? Of course not. So for a time being God set up a set of laws that would allow mankind to be spared having to give up his own life for his sins. God gave us the laws of Levitical Priest. Now this law was only to be around for a little while. This law allowed the Priest to tell the people what type of sacrifice to bring according to their sins and their possessions. This law allowed the shedding of the blood of animals instead of the shedding of the blood of the sinner.

This law could not make those that gave their animals for sacrifice perfect. The shedding of animals blood could not redeem mankind of his sins. But God allowed it because He knew that there was one coming that would shed His blood for all. His blood would be perfect. His blood would remove the death sentence man was under. If you had faith that His blood now removed ALL of your sins you would be forgiven.

But once the one whose blood would remove ALL sins would come...the laws of the Levites and the Priesthood would no longer be needed.


"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."

God ADDED the law of the Levites so that all of His creation would not have to shed their own blood for their sins. This law was added because of transgressions. And what does it mean to transgress? It means to break God's laws. That is why God had to ADD the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and animal sacrifice. ANd how long was this law that was added to be around? "...till the seed should come to whom the promise was made" This law was only to spear man and give hope that one day there would be one that came and His blood would take care of ALL sins committed once and for all.

"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."

And what was the law that they were kept under? The law that was ADDED to God's other laws. And what was the law that God ADDED? The laws for the Levitical Priest and their job of killing animals for the forgiveness of sins.

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

So now....what law was it that was our schoolmaster? Was it ALL of God's other laws? NO! It was just the law that was ADDED because man continued to transgress God's other laws.

"But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Now let's read this....

"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

Now which law are we no longer under? Take note of what Paul says above. He ask the question, "SHALL WE SIN?" Now if there are laws that we are no longer under...how would it be possible to commit sins?

So...which law are we no longer under? The law that was our schoolmaster. The law that ended when faith arrived.

And now that faith, which is faith that the blood of Jesus has covered our sins, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. And what was the schoolmaster? The law! Which law? The law that was ADDED because of transgressions.

So when did this law end? When did the law that we are no longer under cease? When did the job of the Levites and the sacrificing of animals end?



"And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;" Matt.27:51

"And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom." Mark 15:28

"And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst." Luke 23:45



And what happened when Jesus died?


"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" Col.2:14


When Jesus died, the ordinances that were against us were nailed to His cross. The laws that were contrary to us were nailed ti His cross. The laws that were ADDED and were our schoolmaster was taken out of the way.


ALL of the rest of God's laws must be kept to the best of our abilities.




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[Eccl12and13]

To those readers following this post, let's consider something that most have not thought of......

When Jesus returns to earth for 1000 years what will be His job? What will He be doing with mankind?

And the saints that return with Him? What will be their job? What will they be doing along side the Lord?

And what about mankind? What will mankind be doing when Jesus returns?


Well let's read just what it is the Lord, the saints and mankind will be doing when the Lord returns to earth for 1000 years.....


Rev.12
[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev.19
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

So we find that the Lord is going to rule over the nations of the earth upon His return. Now just how will His rule be when He returns? Will it be nice and gentle? Will He ask nicely that mankind comply with His requests?

Or......Will it be just as the scriptures describe; "...rule all nations with a rod of iron", "...and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

When Jesus returns He will no longer be the Lamb of God! That hat has been worn and that job is now over. What we will get upon Jesus return will be, "...the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David,"

This will be the King that will rule over mankind. Now which of His laws that He gave in the OT do you think He will now disregard? And what about the saints? How will they rule? Let's read what the saints job will be when Jesus returns....


Matt.19
[28] And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22
[29] And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
[30] That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Rev.2
[26] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
[27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

So we see that the saints will RULE just that same as Jesus will rule; With a rod of iron.



Now if Jesus and the saints are going to rule....by what standard will they use? What will be their guideline to determine if some one is following their rule or not?

It will be the same as it has always been; God's laws....ALL of them!

The Lord is going to teach ALL of mankind the way he is to live and He will have 1000 years to do it.


Now let's read what mankind will be doing when Jesus returns....

Dan.7
[27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Now now we see what mankind will be doing during Christ 1000 year rule here on earth. We will serve and OBEY! Obey what? ALL of God's laws! Which? Let's read just a few that we know will be kept....


Isa.66
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Zech.14
[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.


Now these are just 2 laws that we know will be kept during Christ rule here on earth. Like I asked before...do you think He will disregard any of His others laws that He gave in the OT?


And what happens to those that do NOT obey the Lord when he returns? What will happen when the one that gave grace, shed His blood, comes upon one that transgress His laws? What will be their fate? What will be their chances of eternal life?

Faith in Jesus will no longer be the issue...for Jesus will rule ALL of the earth. There will be no question that He is real and that He is the Son of the true and living God! So what will it be that saves mankind then?

OBEDIENCE!!


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[Bibleman]

So the shedding of Christ blood ALLOWED all men to now have eternal life. Christ died for ALL of mankind. Christ made it possible for ALL to be saved. He made it possible for ALL to have salvation!

BUT.......will ALL of mankind receive eternal life because of the one act of the shedding of blood by Christ?

Sadly......NO!

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Reading this brings to mind when I read about a Korean guy known as Pastor Park who claims to have seen that, as of lately, for every 1 person that is ending up in Heaven, roughly 1,000 people are ending up in Hell.

 

[angelofmercy]

Reading this brings to mind when I read about a Korean guy known as Pastor Park who claims to have seen that, as of lately, for every 1 person that is ending up in Heaven, roughly 1,000 people are ending up in Hell.

Thank God that men like him go to the grave with that type of thinking. Jesus WILL save ALL.

 

[loveme1]

Thank God that men like him go to the grave with that type of thinking. Jesus WILL save ALL.

Do you not realize by that statement you deny much scripture?

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 

[angelofmercy]

Do you not realize by that statement you deny much scripture?

No I do not deny them. I just understand them. EVERYONE you see will eventually die. Now I don't know what name is on your birth certificate but whatever it is, it will NOT rise up out of the grave. God will not call me "victor". He will call me by a name which no man knows. He will call you as well by a name no man knows.

You know why? Because under "victor", I was a thief and a liar! For truly remission of sins can ONLY come by the shedding of blood.

 

[loveme1]

No I do not deny them. I just understand them. EVERYONE you see will eventually die. Now I don't know what name is on your birth certificate but whatever it is, it will NOT rise up out of the grave. God will not call me "victor". He will call me by a name which no man knows. He will call you as well by a name no man knows.

You know why? Because under "victor", I was a thief and a liar! For truly remission of sins can ONLY come by the shedding of blood.

While it is true that mortal life cease for all, it is what becomes of one upon this that we speak of.

I do not contest we will be given a new name for it is written.



How will Righteousness prevail?

Is it not in Judgement?


The mentality of the world is that "All will be saved"

It always reminds me of what the serpent spoke:

Genesis 3

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Well i believe Yahvah God and hold fast to what is written.

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? 7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17And the way of peace have they not known:

18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.