Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

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cfultz3

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angelofmercy said:
Once again open mouth, insert foot!

Romans 12:3-4

3*For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4*For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

EVERYMAN IS DEALT A MEASURE OF FAITH BY GOD! Is this a lie???


Until you can reconcile with this, what's the point?


Faith without works (good OR evil) is indeed dead. And everyman is judged according to his work!
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Anyone of us can have the Bible say what we wish it to say (look at the denominations). We cannot quote Scripture to mean one thing unless it is in agreement with the REST OF SCRIPTURE. It seems what you accuse others of doing, putting their foot in thier mouth, is what you are guilty of yourself.
Now tells us, is the gifts the Spirit hands out given to all humans or those of Christ's body? It seems that in both verses, the measurement of faith, a gift of the Spirit, is given to those of the Body. How can one pertake of the Spirit if one is not a child with promises?

Rom 12:4 For as we (those who believe) have many members in one body (the assembly of those called out), and all members have not the same office:
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Rom 12:6 Having then gifts (appotioned to those of the House of Faith) differing according to the grace that is given to us...
 
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cfultz3 said:
Anyone of us can have the Bible say what we wish it to say (look at the denominations). We cannot quote Scripture to mean one thing unless it is in agreement with the REST OF SCRIPTURE. It seems what you accuse others of doing, putting their foot in thier mouth, is what you are guilty of yourself.
Now tells us, is the gifts the Spirit hands out given to all humans or those of Christ's body? It seems that in both verses, the measurement of faith, a gift of the Spirit, is given to those of the Body. How can one pertake of the Spirit if one is not a child with promises?

Rom 12:4 For as we (those who believe) have many members in one body (the assembly of those called out), and all members have not the same office:
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Rom 12:6 Having then gifts (appotioned to those of the House of Faith) differing according to the grace that is given to us...
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If everyman has faith, then all is of the body in which he is the savior of. There is but ONE body.
 
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angelofmercy said:
If everyman has faith, then all is of the body in which he is the savior of. There is but ONE body.
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who says everyone has faith (confidence in Jesus)? As a matter of fact, I know of a group of people who will chop your head off for saying that Jesus is the Son of God. As a matter of fact, I know of a group who says Satan is father.
 
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cfultz3 said:
who says everyone has faith (confidence in Jesus)? As a matter of fact, I know of a group of people who will chop your head off for saying that Jesus is the Son of God. As a matter of fact, I know of a group who says Satan is father.
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About faith, refer to my Romans 12:3 post where it says that all have faith.

Now if the flesh profits nothing, why then continue to gain according to it? All of what you mentioned goes into the grave. I am transformed by MY MIND. But with the body which passes away, I serve the law of sin. Hitler was a bad man in the flesh, and according to it he got what he deserved. But again with the mind looking past the flesh, I know he is now blessed.

For the bible says blessed are those that die in the Lord. That their works do follow them. What Hitler did went to the grave. It will not rise with him as he will be a NEW creation.
 
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angelofmercy said:
About faith, refer to my Romans 12:3 post where it says that all have faith.

Now if the flesh profits nothing, why then continue to gain according to it? All of what you mentioned goes into the grave. I am transformed by MY MIND. But with the body which passes away, I serve the law of sin. Hitler was a bad man in the flesh, and according to it he got what he deserved. But again with the mind looking past the flesh, I know he is now blessed.

For the bible says blessed are those that die in the Lord. That their works do follow them. What Hitler did went to the grave. It will not rise with him as he will be a NEW creation.
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So, it really does not matter what one does in life? So, are we free to stomp on the blood of Christ, spit in the face of God, smirk at the pled of the Spirit, it really does not matter, we will all recieve the promises of the faithful? Dude, you raelly need a spiritual check-up.
 
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So, it really does not matter what one does in life? So, are we free to stomp on the blood of Christ, spit in the face of God, smirk at the pled of the Spirit, it really does not matter, we will all recieve the promises of the faithful? Dude, you raelly need a spiritual check-up.
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Please honestly respond to these questions

Does God send evil upon men?
What is the purpose of God creating vessels of dishonor?
Do vessels of honor meet the same fate as those of dishonor.

As a christian, you are charged with spreading the gospel to the world. Your Lord died for all and you are to tell the world this wonderful news.

Jesus would be elated to see you all accomplish this, and yet when I say that all WILL be saved, you count it a evil?


If you who's mission it is is to try to save the world, hate that the world, not by their own accord, but THROUGH HIM WILL BE SAVED then who here shows evil intent?

I speak out of love, you out of wrath! But I will continue to bless when I myself am cursed of you.
 
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Honestly, these are honest replies. Do you not see that my responses are the logical conclusion of your gospel?

Does God send evil upon man? Can you show me where God send evil upon any one who was obedient to His Voice?

What is the purpose of God creating vessels of dishonor? To whom was this spoken to? Jews? Yes. They indeed fill up their sins, and to them Jesus became a stumblingblock.So, by whose actions did they become vessels of dishonor?

Does vessels of honor meet the same fate? No, we will not meet destruction. But it will be those on the left whose sentence will be destruction. But they who are on the right will meet with everlasting life. Why would one think that those who are in Christ will meet destruction? By the way, there is more to this verse then the first part you implied.

And I count that as evil? YES. Why? Because you put to shame the death of Christ which offers salvation to all, but which is based on faith. For you to say that no one needs faith, and by implication of your gospel, no one needs that blood shed by the Lamb, then you are saying that my Lords death was a foolsih thing for the Father to have done, seeing that we all will be saved. YES. EVIL.

Who show evil intent? I guess it would be the one who says live as Satan you will be saved in the end. Curse the blood, you will be saved in the end. By the way, those words would neve come from my mouth.

Though you say you speak out of love, what love will imply such things as these when it is clearly in Scripture that there are children of the rebellion who are the children of wrath who are the children of Satan. Now I ask you, where is Satan's kingdom? Will God force His Lordship on those who bluntely and physically destaste the very mention of the Lord's name, Jesus Christ.

I speak wrath? Perhaps the 45 instances of God's wrath in the New Testment convinces me that without faith in Christ, i will face God's wrath on the children of the rebellion.

cursed by me? Who am I to curse another. Let the word's of one's heart speak for themself.
 
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cfultz3 said:
Honestly, these are honest replies. Do you not see that my responses are the logical conclusion of your gospel?

Does God send evil upon man? Can you show me where God send evil upon any one who was obedient to His Voice?

What is the purpose of God creating vessels of dishonor? To whom was this spoken to? Jews? Yes. They indeed fill up their sins, and to them Jesus became a stumblingblock.So, by whose actions did they become vessels of dishonor?

Does vessels of honor meet the same fate? No, we will not meet destruction. But it will be those on the left whose sentence will be destruction. But they who are on the right will meet with everlasting life. Why would one think that those who are in Christ will meet destruction? By the way, there is motyre to this verse then the first part you implied.

And I count that as evil? YES. Why? Because you put to shame the death of Christ which offers salvation to all, but which is based on faith. For you to say that no one needs faith, and by implication of your gospel, no one needs that blood shed by the Lamb, then you are saying that my Lords death was a foolsih thing for the Father to have done, seeing that we all will be saved. YES. EVIL.

Who show evil intent? I guess it would be the one who says live as Satan you will be saved in the end. Curse the blood, you will be saved in the end. By the way, those words would neve come from my mouth.

Though you say you speak out of love, what love will imply such things as these when it is clearly in Scripture that there are children of the rebellion who are the children of wrath who are the children of Satan. Now I ask you, where is Satan's kingdom? Will God force His Lordship on those who bluntely and physically destaste the very mention of the Lord's name, Jesus Christ.

I speak wrath? Perhaps the 45 instances of God's wrath in the New Testment convinces me that without faith in Christ, i will face God's wrath on the children of the rebellion.

cursed by me? Who am I to curse another. Let the word's of one's heart speak for themself.
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The words are speaking for themselves. But you are deaf and blind.
Even though you did not answer my questions, I will answer yours. They are very simple enough....

Who has God sent evil on that was obedient? One word.... Job.
Now if you're a vessel of mercy and I'm one of wrath lol, I know I die but what about you? Go the bible says that the wise dies along with the fool! And that the same date befalls all men.

You cal what I say evil, and for this reason your eyes remain blind. Because what I say is light, and has no darkness at all.

Again about faith, Romans 12:3

Did satan create life or God. Remember, you were once a child of wrath! So (speaking as a man) can a man change fathers? We all have one father who created both the seeing and the blind. You cannot look past the flesh because you want to hold on to your own life.

God's wrath is done through you and those very same vessels of dishonor that will be destroyed once it's purpose is complete. But when the work is done we will stand together, all of us anew.... And a family!

Who can believe my report??? I need no man to. But my God WILL prove me right! So with patience, I wait for the increase!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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angelofmercy said:
Once again open mouth, insert foot!

Romans 12:3-4

3*For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4*For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

EVERYMAN IS DEALT A MEASURE OF FAITH BY GOD! Is this a lie???


Until you can reconcile with this, what's the point?


Faith without works (good OR evil) is indeed dead. And everyman is judged according to his work!
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wow. So a man who rejects Christ, does not believe in him, or does not want anything to do with him has faith?

if you do not trust something, you have no faith in that thing, faith means an assurance, a trust. lack of this assurance or trust means there IS NO FAITH.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
wow. So a man who rejects Christ, does not believe in him, or does not want anything to do with him has faith?

if you do not trust something, you have no faith in that thing, faith means an assurance, a trust. lack of this assurance or trust means there IS NO FAITH.
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Do not perceive faith according to the flesh beloved. The bible said every man has his measure of faith. And that ALL of creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Lip service accounts for nothing as it is the DOERS who are justified. This is what the good samaritan is about!
 
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angelofmercy said:
Do not perceive faith according to the flesh beloved. The bible said every man has his measure of faith. And that ALL of creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Lip service accounts for nothing as it is the DOERS who are justified. This is what the good samaritan is about!
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After all you have claimed you believe previously, what you have put here simply does not fit. Perhaps you should reconsider your post since you say all mankind is going to heaven, why do you bother yourself and others with your personal interpretations of the Word? According to you the Bible may as well not exist, and Yeshua, Jesus, died on the Cross for my error for nothing. Thank you, but I do not buy your distortions. I see your other gospel as a map to hell, not to heaven.
 
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angelofmercy said:
Do not perceive faith according to the flesh beloved. The bible said every man has his measure of faith. And that ALL of creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Lip service accounts for nothing as it is the DOERS who are justified. This is what the good samaritan is about!
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I am perceiving reality. If you do not trust God., YOU HAVE NO FAITH. So to put it your way, those men were given the measure of zero.

and the doers are justified? thats a double wammy on your false belief, those who have no faith are also not doers, so they are double not saved, and never will be unless they repent.
 
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After all you have claimed you believe previously, what you have put here simply does not fit. Perhaps you should reconsider your post since you say all mankind is going to heaven, why do you bother yourself and others with your personal interpretations of the Word? According to you the Bible may as well not exist, and Yeshua, Jesus, died on the Cross for my error for nothing. Thank you, but I do not buy your distortions. I see your other gospel as a map to hell, not to heaven.
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Again you judge by the flesh! The same man who vehemently with his mouth denies Jesus could be according to the law of Christ, one that may save your life (again good samaritan).

There is no contradiction in my words.
 
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angelofmercy said:
Again you judge by the flesh! The same man who vehemently with his mouth denies Jesus could be according to the law of Christ, one that may save your life (again good samaritan).

There is no contradiction in my words.
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You are speaking of the flesh, not I. My soul is saved by God. Anyone can help another any time while we are in this age. You are terribly in error, and you should not be in this room. The Blood of the Yeshua, Jesus, be between you and His flock, amen..........
 
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JaumeJ said:
You are speaking of the flesh, not I. My soul is saved by God. Anyone can help another any time while we are in this age. You are terribly in error, and you should not be in this room. The Blood of the Yeshua, Jesus, be between you and His flock, amen..........
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Love does torment! And you all will again ban Israel for it! I am cast out wherever I go, But I still love you so!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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angelofmercy said:
Love does torment! And you all will again ban Israel for it! I am cast out wherever I go, But I still love you so!
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Ban Israel? where does this come from who is banning Israel?
 
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cfultz3 said:
I think he is saying that they will ban this account as they did with the account Israel, seeing he says ;again'.
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ahh,, well that makes sense..lol
 
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Laodicea said:
While we are not saved by works Jesus said this.
John 3:15 KJV
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

If Christ is in us then it should result in us being commandment keepers.
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Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments:)
 
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Read the book of romans it could help you understand how to apply god's commandments.
 
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