The Truth about Adam

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This might be a stupid question but, Abraham's seed refers to Christ ,singular I" m assuming Eves seed also refers to Christ , singularly .... Another reference Rom. 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. 'Your' being the Church,the body and Christ himself. Could the seed of Satan also be singular ,say maybe the anti-Christ and his counterfeit body. Any thoughts
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Dear Serpents Lair In the precious name of Jesus Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savoriest not the things that be of God, But those that be of man. And let go of this person that God has made.
i hope Satan lets go of you.
 

loveme1

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Adam is the devil, so all of humanity are his children, except Jesus, because GOD is HIS Father. You see, the only way Eve could believe and state that they were forbidden from eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (Gen 3:2-3), which GOD never told Adam (Gen 2:16-17), is if Adam told her this falsehood (lie), because, according to scripture, Adam was the only one to whom GOD spoke the Commandment (Gen 2). This is the first lie ever told, and it was subtle because Eve had no clue or reason to suspect it was not true. In telling Eve this lie, Adam earned the reputations of being subtle (as described above), and as a serpent, which is one who speaks falsehoods (incantations).

Now, before you all get your tails in a tizzy, you might first consider why GOD would not tell us the whole Truth about creation, if angels truly were created apart from man. In fact, their are only a few scriptures in all the Old Testament which speak of the Devil, the author of confusion; therefore, if angels are a distinct creation, then it would seem GOD was keeping them and our main adversary the devil a great mystery. And this is what we have, a lot of mysteries, if Adam is not the devil. However, if Adam is the devil, then there really are NO mysteries about the angels or the devil, and man has fabricated the whole tale. So, do you wish to believe the WORD of GOD or the doctrine of men, because one is truth and the other lies mixed with the truth, such as that told to Eve (don't eat and don't touch)?

Before any of you go and reach for JOB 38:7 to prove me wrong, please realize that since the stars were not formed until the fourth day of creation (Gen 1:14-19), being One day after the planet earth was formed, there is no way this scripture is talking about a point in time when angels existed before man or even the earth. Rather, this scripture (along with verse 6) is taking about the moment GOD spoke to the serpent and Eve about the Savior to Come (who is that CORNERSTONE, Is 28:16), and the reaction of all who heard HIM (see HEB 2:3).


Wake up from your slumber and pull the wool from over your eyes, for this is the fulfillment of the prophesy of THES 2:3-8.


I don't understand where your understanding leads?

Scripture states much about the incident and it is written that Eve was seduced by the serpent and Adam was wrong to listen to Eve etc...

Are you attempting to change this?
 
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This is actually a very neat little problem. Let's see how you answer my objections:

Eve was in Adam when God spoke to him (male and female created He them); the term alone (2:18) means "making all the decisions without someone to discuss with"; God later separated (Gen 2:23) Adam and Eve. That's how she heard the command. And note, she messed it up a little bit, quoting it back.

Is Adam the serpent? Revelation 12:9 says the serpent is the devil. If Adam is the devil, Adam must be the serpent (not just reputation, but fact). But the serpent does not tell Eve the command, he asks her to repeat it, then disagrees with it. Seems like if all this was coming from one person, Eve would have wondered what to believe. If Adam is the serpent, why were the eyes of "both" opened (Gen 3:7); the devil already knew the truth, or he would not be lying? If Adam is the serpent, why a separate punishment for each? I doubt very much Adam/serpent could do both, as I read it.

If humans are descended from angels, how are we to judge them (I Cor. 6:3)? Yet we are "a little less than angels" in the psalms. How did angels have a "first estate" (Jude 6, 2Pe. 2:4), when God clearly created Adam from the earth?

I see where you get it, because the nephilim allowed themselves to be possessed by the fallen angels in response to God's punishments, thus introducing the angelic spirits into the daughters of men. With those kind of children, the father might well have done something similar. But there are just too many inconsistencies to believe they are one creature.

Angels were not much of a mystery back when the nephilim were around, and until the Library at Alexandria was burned down, those books would have kept the knowledge alive very nicely. Since everyone knew what angels were, God didn't need to put very much in. We actually have enough to reconstruct it, but that's what we need to do if we want to understand it.
What? She (Eve) messed it up a bit? Are you that near-sighted that you cannot tell a lie from the truth. Can you not come up with better reasoning as to why Eve spoke untruth? i don't wonder where u got that idea.

The first estate was being full of the spirit of GOD, by which they had HIS Likeness, Light (Ez 1:26-28).

Yes, Adam is the serpent, which is not a snake as u believe. This is called myth because snakes cannot, nor do not talk. And nowhere in scripture does it say Lucifer had the power to change into a snake. Read the Hebrew definition for serpent and it's root, and you should see that they are talking about liars, not snakes.
You will notice that Eve's eyes were not opened until Adam ate. Why not when she ate? Maybe because she had been deceived and therefore her conscience was not convicted of sin (the knowledge of evil) the moment she ate. You see, Adam told her what she quoted to the serpent (who was just playing like he was ignorant of the TRUTH), but he made himself out to be a liar in now telling her she could freely eat the forbidden fruit. For this she should have run from Adam and sought the LORD, but she allowed her natural lusts to overrule her power of reasoning.

The reason for two punishments for Adam (once as the serpent) is that Adam was body, soul and spirit, but he lost his spirit when he sinned, so that left his soul and his body to be judged, which are the serpent and Adam respectively. What? Did GOD condemn the serpent without a trial, even though the Law demands a trial and at least two witnesses? You make GOD unjust by this understanding. BUt if Adam and the serpent are 1, then GOD is just because Adam already had his trial.

To be a 'little lower' means we are close but not exact. The angles that sinned lost their likeness of the LORD, which is their angelic glow, and nothing more.

Can u not see that Eve's response to the serpent is far from the TRUTH? If Adam told her the TRUTH, then she is the first liar for 'messing it up a bit', which contradicts John 8:44. And the reason the serpent (Adam) asked for her response is because he knows it is not entirely true, and he wants to prove her wrong (that she could touch the fruit). You see, he must have touched it first to help convince her to eat, thus being the reason for the lie in the first place. Can u follow that?

Can u not address the principle i talk of in my post, that 1 who knows the TRUTH can never be deceived about it, no matter how subtle the deceiver? OR, can u not address why GOD would not tell us of angel creation in HIS perfect account of creation? Was GOD trying to keep lucifer and the angels a secret from us?
No, i believe GOD spoke the WHOLE TRUTH, but men have changed it. Even u believe in angel creation apart from man, even though GOD never said they were created. SO who is the one deceived or believing a lie?
I accept what GOD said as the TRUTH; but, by your own words, you must add to it to come up with angel creation apart form man.

Swallow your pride, which is evident by your posts.
 
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Though Jesus father was not a 'kin of satan', his mother was. So in essence, you're still applying the nature of satan into Jesus human form. So that would make him part satan, part God? Explain that.
All males come from the male seed, which Adam is the first; however, Jesus did not come from the male seed, HE came from GOD; therefore, he is not under the serpent's curse.
 
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The scripture says Jesus was made in the likeness of the flesh" so that he could be a faithful high priest to us who also are in the flesh and that he in all points could be tempted as we are. He was not in any way Part Satan. For" in him is light and no darkness at all neither shadow of turning" And"in him was not yea and nae but only yea to the glory of God.And although Mary was in the flesh I don't think she was a relative of Satan. I also don't think Satan's nature is flesh and blood "for we wrestle not against flesh and blood...."
Maybe you should think less AND LEAN MORE ON SCRIPTURE AND SOUND DOCTRINE! I never said Jesus was part satan, but yet he was flesh, which came by Mary. He came from the Father by way of Mary (as according to the prophesy in GEN 3).
 
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This might be a stupid question but, Abraham's seed refers to Christ ,singular I" m assuming Eves seed also refers to Christ , singularly .... Another reference Rom. 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. 'Your' being the Church,the body and Christ himself. Could the seed of Satan also be singular ,say maybe the anti-Christ and his counterfeit body. Any thoughts
anyone?
By what i am saying, we are all the seed of Satan except Jesus. Now can one understand why the whole world needed a Savior?
 

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Genesis 4

25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD
This is the line in which Yahshua the Messiah came into the world.
 
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and see this would have been more fun if we would have let him prove that Adam was the serpent,,that is,,,serpent slayer was beget by,,and ?beget,,and then we back all the way up to your most distant forefathers,,,Adam and eve,,,,and that as Christ said "you will do the work of your father,,,he was the father of lies",,,,,????so in other words you went to his great length to say,,,,,we should not believe nothing you said because you descended from the father of lies",,,,,,,,?,,,,and see I'm confused,,,Enoch the 7'th son from "Adam the serpent",,,,was taken to heaven because he walked with god,and Noah was godly,,,,,,,,,and Abraham,and Issac ,,,and Jacob,,,,,,,,,uh-oh!,,,,,,if you follow the same genealogy down to Christ,,,,,,there he is "Jesus the descendent of the serpent" ,,,,,,,well just seems like there may be a few flaws in it,,,,,,,your right though "should be a short thread",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Jesus is not a descendant of Adam, but he is a descendant of Eve; therefore, he is human (in part), but not from the serpent's seed, an therefore, not under the serpent's curse. Get it?
 
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and see this would have been more fun if we would have let him prove that Adam was the serpent,,that is,,,serpent slayer was beget by,,and ?beget,,and then we back all the way up to your most distant forefathers,,,Adam and eve,,,,and that as Christ said "you will do the work of your father,,,he was the father of lies",,,,,????so in other words you went to his great length to say,,,,,we should not believe nothing you said because you descended from the father of lies",,,,,,,,?,,,,and see I'm confused,,,Enoch the 7'th son from "Adam the serpent",,,,was taken to heaven because he walked with god,and Noah was godly,,,,,,,,,and Abraham,and Issac ,,,and Jacob,,,,,,,,,uh-oh!,,,,,,if you follow the same genealogy down to Christ,,,,,,there he is "Jesus the descendent of the serpent" ,,,,,,,well just seems like there may be a few flaws in it,,,,,,,your right though "should be a short thread",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Alright, prove Adam is not the devil.
 
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so sad when u judge blindly. Even I am new born in Christian, I am know what you saying is not true. I read Genesis and its really good. Amazing story. I dont know what make you say like that and very sorry for you. God bless you.

#In tuned with Yahweh and excellent in calling
 
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1Ti 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Serpentslayer what you are promoting is the doctrine of the devil.
Again I ask, "Are you a follower of Arnold Murray and his corrupt teachings of the serpent seed doctrine?"

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
No, i promoting the TRUTH; and no, i reject Murray wholeheartedly. Now tell me, where do i differ from the Doctrine of Christ, or of Paul, or of the Apostles. I confess Jesus is the Christ!
 
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so sad when u judge blindly. Even I am new born in Christian, I am know what you saying is not true. I read Genesis and its really good. Amazing story. I dont know what make you say like that and very sorry for you. God bless you.

#In tuned with Yahweh and excellent in calling
You follow the lessons of the deceived, just as i did for many years. Of course you don't believe me, because you were taught otherwise. WAKE UP!!!! I accept GOD's Word as it is written, most do not (i'm speaking of angel creation not being a part of GEN 1 or 2).
 
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Most of God's people are deceived by many things and this is just something we're given to struggle through. But there are others who are deceivers and it doesn't matter what one says to them, they will never hear or admit their wrong. Satan was not just a fallen angel, he was (and is) a covenant creature as was Adam. He (Satan) was created in Covenant with God, to rule over the part of creation that fell, this is the very reason it fell; this is why God could not just destroy him! But must deal with the act of destroying him (Satan) in a manner of covenant. Jesus, though He is God, is a Covenant Creature also through Adam. The place where God dwells that Satan was not given to rule over did not fall but became unclean, because of his presents there after his fall, and his right to be there until this was addressed through a better covenant. It is through covenants in God's Word that we are given to know anything at all about God and understanding who Satan is, is no different.
 
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someone please delete this thread before someone who doesnt know better,reads it and believes this, this is not in line with what the bible teaches
 

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All males come from the male seed, which Adam is the first; however, Jesus did not come from the male seed, HE came from GOD; therefore, he is not under the serpent's curse.
i dont think you understand biology, but if Jesus was fully God and fully man, then clearly some of the man came from mary. because you know thats how DNA and chromosomes and all that work
 
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No, i promoting the TRUTH; and no, i reject Murray wholeheartedly. Now tell me, where do i differ from the Doctrine of Christ, or of Paul, or of the Apostles. I confess Jesus is the Christ!


Luk 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Luk 3:24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
Luk 3:25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
Luk 3:26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Judah,
Luk 3:27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Shealtiel, which was the son of Neri,
Luk 3:28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
Luk 3:29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
Luk 3:30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Judah, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
Luk 3:31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
Luk 3:32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Boaz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
Luk 3:33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Judah,
Luk 3:34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Terah, which was the son of Nahor,
Luk 3:35 Which was the son of Serug, which was the son of Reu, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
Luk 3:36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Shem, which was the son of Noah, which was the son of Lamech,
Luk 3:37 Which was the son of Methuselah, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Can't you see the error in what you are saying? Pay very close attention my decieved friend to the part I bolded and underlined in verse 38.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
 
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4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The 'sons of God' here are angels. They cannot be human as this passage talks about before the Earth was made. So this proves angels were around before the Earth was.


This is from Revelation:

11 Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice,
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might
and honor and glory and blessing!”
13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying,
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
 
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