The Catholic church is not christian

[onlinebuddy]

Haha! That's so funny when people ask me "are you a catholic?" and I answer that it's true and they say "oh.. I'm so sorry for you, you're not a Christian bla bla bla".

If "Christians" are said to be judgmental about Catholics, Catholics do the same. The only difference is that "Christians" are more zealous about it.

In a number of instances I have been asked by Catholics, "Are you Catholic?" When I reply that I call myself a Christian, they would reply, "Then you are Protestant, aren't you?" According to many Catholics, if you aren't Catholic, you are Protestant.

Once I overheard a Catholic priest say, "Those people are Christians. Christians aren't Catholics. They do not pray to Mary."

So, in conclusion, Catholics are judgmental too.

I say this as a person who has spent equal time of my life in both, the Catholic Church and in a "Bible-believing non-denominational" church.

 

[onlinebuddy]

People! Do you realize that christianity is devided for three main branch? Catholicism is one of them, so when somebody is catholic is also means that it's a christian. And by the way, every doctrine has something which gets you closer to God and seems to be "that one" right path. But for me truth is that we have one God. Whatever you call Him. And whatever doctrine you belong. And if you say that one of them is wrong if you don't know much about it, it doesn't makes you a better Christian

Greetings, in God.

@MajaMaria, If Christianity is divided, as you say, it is not Christianity. Satan is the author of denominations. There is just one true church spread out over the face of the earth, and the Lord Yeshua knows those who are His.

If the denominations you have mentioned have brought people closer to God, they are also responsible for dividing the believers. Every denomination brings people more closer to their denomination and less closer to Christ. Rather than making people faithful to Christ, they promote faithfulness to their particular denomination. This is the main reason why one denomination says that they have arrived and that the other is behind. They will hardly mingle with each other and be united for Christ. Denominations have brought more disunity than unity. This is arrogance, which God hates. This is disunity, which nullifies the purpose of God.

All of us were born in a particular denomination, which our parents followed. It is our responsibility to seek God and not take it for granted that the denomination (or faith) we were born in is the right one. We are separate individuals, and must read the Bible CAREFULLY and seek God on our own.

Acts 17: (NIV)
11Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.


In the above mentioned verse, the Jews of Berea were said to be of more "noble character" than the Thessalonians. Why? Because they examined the Scriptures and that too, everyday.
Why did they examine the Scriptures? To cross check if what Paul told them was in line with the Scriptures or not.

On the other hand, the Jews of Thessalonica were religious and similar to the denomination minded people of today. They cared for their own religious practices more than the Word of God. They even started a riot.

The Bereans received Paul's message with great eagerness. They did not argue about their religious background or denomination, because they saw that what Paul taught was in line with their Scriptures. The good thing is that Paul allowed them to freely examine the scriptures, and did not feel offended. This is the mark of a true leader.

The problem of most denominations is the same as the problem of Thessalonica. They would rather defend their denomination rather than go to the Bible.

In conclusion, I would suggest that irrespective of what denomination you were born in. Go to the Bible, and see if your church is obeying it. Don't be offended when someone says something about your denomination. Rather be eager to follow the word of God.

 

[loveme1]

I just want to comment about Roman catholic. I read and understand about the discussion.First of all I ask our HOLY GOD to help me in writing these words that I may write according to his will and not against each other.Although there are certain things that I do not know but i just want to express my faith and believe when it comes to him.

I am a Roman Catholic (eversince i was a child) I was taught about GOD. Roman Catholic Church was founded by GOD (It was St Peter the 1st Pope).We know that even His Son JESUS Christ was being tested 3 times. So it's very common that every churches have a lot of issues. However Roman Catholic church is the main target,misconception,teaching because of so many images and other that against from our ALMIGHTY.I must say i am a true believer of our HOLY GOD not just a christian because I know him even more and I have so many restrictions in life and I'm aware of my actions because OUR HOLY Father hate sins but love sinners who repent and avoid to commit sin.

I commented many discussion particularly about this matter. When I was young my, heart and soul is against in worshiping many images.I'm fortunate that GOD forbid me to do that coz he knows my whole being that I only worship him. I go to church not for priest but for my father who is in heaven. And i know if they did something that against from GOD. I would never follow them coz they are all humans they sins just like me that's why i can't judge them. GOD knows what's inside our heart and soul.If we just examine ourselves today whether we are for GOD or for world. We can detect and acknowledge who we are . I know where I stand coz I can't live without our GOD. No matter what, I know i will not regret for the rest of my days here on Earth . He is my everything...

If all you say is true then come out of that religion.

Leave the deception and walk in the Light.

Repent and let the Good Shepherd lead you in the path of Righteousness.

Let that love be shown and worship him in Spirit and Truth like he desires.

Friend, do not be ignorant of the Truth.. for Love is Truth on his terms not our own.

 

[onlinebuddy]

Actually, the voice of Jesus is calling you to come into the Catholic Church. It's an echo of His words in Matthew 23:37.

@dscherck,
Sorry, but you are quoting the above verse out of context.

The Catholic church did not exist at that time. In fact there was no church at that time.

Jesus is actually speaking to the Jews of Israel, the people initially chosen by God.
He is telling Israel how much he hurts for them. He is telling them that he loves them so much and and wishes to gather them in his arms. They rejected God despite seeing His glory and his works. They were stubborn and brought judgement on themselves, and were desolate. Jesus' ministry was primarily for the Jews, However, they had failed to recognize their Messiah, Yeshua Jesus, who had come from heaven. God was crying for Israel. This is also a prophecy that God will once again open his arms to the Jews(who are still waiting for their Messiah) after the age of the gentiles, and that they will at that time recognize the Messiah they had rejected.

Since the Jews rejected God, he opened up the doors of heaven (through Peter) to the gentiles (most of us). We are living in the age of the gentiles, the church age. The first three chapters of Revelation tell us that the church age will never be perfect, and riddled with inconsistencies. The age of the gentiles or the church age will soon come to an end. We are in the 11th hour. The return of Yeshua our Lord is imminent.

So, let us not spread incorrect doctine, especially if we have not spent hours and days and years researching it.

You will find that in the Catholic Church, your relationship with Jesus will become even closer! You will experience a closeness to the Scriptures and Christ that you never even realized was possible. And the joy you will find in the Catholic Church is beyond compare. It is the pearl of great price and it is worth giving up everything you own to become a part of it.

A church is for doing the will of God, and not for seeking joy. Doing the will of God may bring much stress and opposition, as the Lord Yeshua himself pointed out. Yes, joy is a bye product of doing His will.

Having said that, I want to say that I just LOVE Catholics. Some of my very good friends (and relatives) are Catholic. I would never tell them that they are going to hell. I know that they love God as dearly and sincerely as I do. I believe that a sincere person is a candidate for godly intervention and revelation. God will never forsake those who love Him.

I also appreciate the phenomenal work done by the Catholic church in terms of charity and education. You're right; in these terms, the Catholic church is truly beyond compare.

 

[Mediate]

Jesus spoke to the Pharisees again. “I am the light of the world,” he said. “Whoever follows me will have the light of life and will never walk in darkness.”

13 The Pharisees said to him, “Now you are testifying on your own behalf; what you say proves nothing.”

14 “No,” Jesus answered, “even though I do testify on my own behalf, what I say is true, because I know where I came from and where I am going. You do not know where I came from or where I am going. 15 You make judgments in a purely human way; I pass judgment on no one.

 

[RickShafer]

There is no perfect church on earth and there never was. Even the first century church was riddled with many false doctrines despite the presence of the Apostles themselves. Nevertheless, they were closest to the correct doctrine.
Any true church must be modeled after the first century church, where Jesus was the head.
Most churches today- traditional or reformed; Catholic or Protestant or Eastern Orthodox- do not allow Yeshua Jesus to be the head.
Therein lies the problem. When we do not allow Jesus to be the head, Satan takes charge.

We must remember what the Lord said in Mt 16:18, that HE will build His church.
The church that He builds will not be overcome by the gates of Hades.

In early stages of the true church that was instituted by Jesus, Satan began to persecute Christians. However, the more he persecuted them, the more faithful they became, and the number of believers only multiplied. (Read about how true believers were persecuted during the Dark Ages)
Since satan's Plan A (to work from outside the church) failed, he put into effect his Plan B- to work from within the church. His demons have therefore infiltrated the church, and he has introduced man-made traditions that take away our focus from the Messiah. Satan was highly effective in his Plan B.

The Catholic Church has way too many things that are not in line with the Bible. On the other hand, those churches that claim to be Bible believing and reformed are also not on the right track, because their leaders sit on pedestals and demand submission. They tell the congregations what to do. The people are made to obey the leaders rather than Christ. They are self-righteous and judgmental. Now, I have also come across churches that are exceptions to the above.

If the catholic church worships idols and saints, the Bible-believing churches worship their leaders, and their so called ministries have become their idols. I have been a part of the Catholic Church for many years, and also a part of a Bible-believing church for many years. I have observed the leaders and congregations in both churches, and I speak from what I have seen and experienced.

There will be many weeds sown among the genuine crops. Both will grow together. It is Yeshua who will finally uproot the weeds and collect the wheat for His barns.
The axe is already at the roots; so let us strive to produce good fruit!

This is all true.
See what Nikolaitane means. (in the greek it is spelled with a 'k')
Nike- Victory, or victor
Laity - The assembly of people

Nikolaitanism is lording over the body of Christ.
This has become the modus operandi for incorporated churches.
See what Jesus said about it in Rev. ch. 2.

 

[raf]

If all you say is true then come out of that religion.

Leave the deception and walk in the Light.

Repent and let the Good Shepherd lead you in the path of Righteousness.

Let that love be shown and worship him in Spirit and Truth like he desires.

Friend, do not be ignorant of the Truth.. for Love is Truth on his terms not our own.

Wow youre still in here trying to convert people, Are you the spokesperson for sciencetology or something?

 

[onlinebuddy]

This is all true.
See what Nikolaitane means. (in the greek it is spelled with a 'k')
Nike- Victory, or victor
Laity - The assembly of people

Nikolaitanism is lording over the body of Christ.
This has become the modus operandi for incorporated churches.
See what Jesus said about it in Rev. ch. 2.

Very true....

 

[Dude653]

My biggest gripe with catholic doctrine is the way they prettty much diefy their saints

 

[Christine11]

I am new here, and am highly disappointed to see such a thread. So many judgmental posts. A true Christian wouldn't be judging other Religions this way. It is wrong and insulting. What difference does it make what Religion you are, as long as we all believe in Christ and follow HIS word? I would expect to see this on some forums, but not a Christian forum. I would expect that posters would treat each other with respect, love, and courtesy. Just as I was treated when I first arrived here. I'm surprised such posts are even tolerated. Again, disappointed.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I am new here, and am highly disappointed to see such a thread. So many judgmental posts. A true Christian wouldn't be judging other Religions this way. It is wrong and insulting. What difference does it make what Religion you are, as long as we all believe in Christ and follow HIS word? I would expect to see this on some forums, but not a Christian forum. I would expect that posters would treat each other with respect, love, and courtesy. Just as I was treated when I first arrived here. I'm surprised such posts are even tolerated. Again, disappointed.

I don't understand what the problem is with proclaiming the Gospel and it's truth. Roman Catholicism isn't Christian. Would you complain if we proclaimed the Gospel to Mormons? What about to Muslims? Mormons and Muslims think they believe in Jesus and his word...

Also, while I generally agree with courtesy and respect, Jesus didn't always have a PR campaign.

Matthew 23:33
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

 

[RickShafer]

But there are people following Christ in the Catholic church.
I've seen it first hand.
Jesus was yelling at the spiritually proud leaders.
Not everyone in the catholic church is spiritually proud. (Infact, most parishioners are quite humble)

 

[loveme1]

Wow youre still in here trying to convert people, Are you the spokesperson for sciencetology or something?

Have i ever tried to convert anyone to "sciencetology" ?

Please do not accuse me of this for it is not true.

 

[loveme1]

I am new here, and am highly disappointed to see such a thread. So many judgmental posts. A true Christian wouldn't be judging other Religions this way. It is wrong and insulting. What difference does it make what Religion you are, as long as we all believe in Christ and follow HIS word? I would expect to see this on some forums, but not a Christian forum. I would expect that posters would treat each other with respect, love, and courtesy. Just as I was treated when I first arrived here. I'm surprised such posts are even tolerated. Again, disappointed.

The problem is the catholic church do not follow the Messiah's word.

There is no judgement when trying to share the Truth.

I have noticed how the world expects us to ignore the Truth and accept all things.

All things are not of Love and Truth.

 

[Pen014]

ever been there?

i try my hardest to keep romans 12:9

i've heard a minsiter say catholics use mantras in vain.it's reptative.it's not personal and the example was jesus's talk with God..."he certainly didn't do mantras all night"

this is taken from Mathew 6:7"'but when ye pray ,use not vane repititions,as the heathen do:for they think that they will be heard for their much speaking"

50 hail marys later...however they keep his name,jesus.

the lords supper is common as well.
the difference in the prayers....one ends at deliver us from evil(catholicism)the other says for thine is the kingdom the power and glory forever and ever amen(reform)

this says something prophetic.about both books KJ and DR

maybe they would choose christendom instead of christianity from a choice of words.but if your following prophecy and the papal rome...then yeah....you may have even came across a malachi martin"keys to this blood"
talking about satan in the church.maybe you just hate tax collectors?

some dont like the idea of calling the pope the holy father,it's not an american thing.catholicism came over here from the french after losing the war,entered america.if i remember right?

what about mary?
so then who's our mother in heaven?
is that really a dagon fish god hat?


southern impression that dagon thing is ridiculous why do they wear it?
or supporting them......douy rheim you out?

zzzzzzzzzzz up too early on this one.

 

[Christine11]

I don't understand what the problem is with proclaiming the Gospel and it's truth. Roman Catholicism isn't Christian. Would you complain if we proclaimed the Gospel to Mormons? What about to Muslims? Mormons and Muslims think they believe in Jesus and his word...

Also, while I generally agree with courtesy and respect, Jesus didn't always have a PR campaign.

Matthew 23:33
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Catholics are indeed Christians.
Who are you to judge other Religions?

Would YOU complain if the thread said, "The Mormon church is not Christian" or any other Religion?

Christianity is following Christ. Catholics follow Christ.

I am in a non denominational Bible Study. We have several difft CHRISTIAN based faiths in there, and different Bibles. The Catholic Bible says almost verbatum what the other ones do, James, NIV, etc.

No matter what Church an individual attends, there will be true Christians, and there will be hypocrites. Just because you are physically attending a church does not make you better and an automatic "Christian." You have to live and practice Christianity.

I also get to tell the truth.

 

[Christine11]

I meant "King James" version up there btw. Can't edit after 5 minutes?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Catholics are indeed Christians.

Nope.

Who are you to judge other Religions?

1) I'm not doing the judging, God already has. God has stated clearly in his word the things necessary to know who is and is not his. Remember? There will be many false teachers...

Would YOU complain if the thread said, "The Mormon church is not Christian" or any other Religion?

No, I wouldn't complain, because it would be true.

Christianity is following Christ.

In an amorphous blob of a nutshell, yes. It has already been demonstrated though that we obviously do not agree as to what this means. It seems to you that it means something to the effect of, "they say they're a Christian, so they must be."

Catholics follow Christ.

No, they follow something that looks like him. Just as a goat looks generally like a sheep.

I am in a non denominational Bible Study. We have several difft CHRISTIAN based faiths in there, and different Bibles.

Different translations isn't the issue.

The Catholic Bible says almost verbatum what the other ones do, James, NIV, etc.

Translations of those passages yes, but that's the fact that they can translate from Hebrew and/or Greek to English isn't what is at issue.

No matter what Church an individual attends, there will be true Christians, and there will be hypocrites.

Not everything called a "Church" has true Christians.

An obvious one would be the "Church" of Scientology. We could also look to the Jehovah Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Episcopalian, most of the PCUSA, much of the UMC, and other similar groups.

We're not dealing with it from the issue of specific buildings though. We're talking about something as a whole, in the same way we would say Islam is not Christian.

Just because you are physically attending a church does not make you better and an automatic "Christian."

You are correct, and I never have approached it from that view. This much should be evident if you read my other postings regarding Salvation. In a biblical Ordo Salutis not once is it stated that "attending the right church" is part of "Getting" saved.

You have to live and practice Christianity.

My ability to "live-out" Christianity isn't what saves me. It isn't going to save you either, if it was the requirement heaven would be a pretty empty place, and hell would be at maximum capacity.

I also get to tell the truth.

Good.

Hopefully this has clarified a few things.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I meant "King James" version up there btw. Can't edit after 5 minutes?

Yeah, 5 minute limit, but that's alright. I knew what you were referring to.

 

[hopesprings]

I think we have to be really careful here. I don't agree with the Catholic doctrine, but to say that all Catholics are lost is wrong. God knows the heart, not us. Maybe he wants them there for a reason. There have been numerous examples of catholic's throughout history who have given all for Jesus Christ. Some withstood terrible tortures because of it. I like that Jesus said 'you shall know them by their fruits'. In that same breath, there have been those whom God called out of that "church". But being Catholic doesn't make you a heathen, anymore then it makes you a christian.