Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

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Are you saying no one born of the tribe of esau can accept Christ?
Are they hindered by their bloodline?
Or is it because of not believing in Him as their personal Lord?
 
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Is Jesus literally "The Son of David"?
Solomon and many other unrighteous were literally David's sons.
Or is God speaking of something spiritual?
 
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Gods love is unconditional.
His blessings are conditional.
I think thats what the OP meant to say. :)
His conditional blessings are a product of His Unconditional Love
Wrong

It is written exactly the way I wante it and I have put verses to back it up
 
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Is Jesus literally "The Son of David"?
Solomon and many other unrighteous were literally David's sons.
Or is God speaking of something spiritual?
What does the bible say?

His lineage says what?
 
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Are you saying no one born of the tribe of esau can accept Christ?
Are they hindered by their bloodline?
Or is it because of not believing in Him as their personal Lord?
What did The Lord say?
We are talking about love ?


Does God love or hate Esau?

Yes or no?
 
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Psalm 119:163 (KJV)
I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.

People lie

So who do God hate?
 
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Actually, which lineage were you referring to?
The one in Matthew or the one in Luke?
Because they split at the sons of David.
Which literal one do you hold to?
 
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Esau is a person who rejected God.
The prophecies concerning the tribes of Esau were for that particular time because they attacked Israel.

What I'm asking you is how does that translate into today; under this new covenant?
Or is your claim that faith has nothing to do with God's blessing or cursing, and so Christ died in vain?
 
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Which literal lineage do you say the promise came through?
Since one says Solomon and the other David's eldest son?
Which one is literally true since God's only
promises come through bloodlines.

And since your of the interpretation of literal bloodlines making you clean or filthy,
which one are YOU from?
 
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Proverbs 6:16-19 (KJV)
These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: [17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, [18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, [19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

The Lord hate the people who perform the act or the act itself?
 
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Thank you for proving my argument Ozell.
God judges the soul.
Not the bloodline.
So why do you hold to the literal interpretation of prophecy as it concerns faith?
Why do you mix physical realities at the time of the prophets with
spiritual realities today?

What did Jesus say? (John 6:63)
 

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Anyone that denies the unconditional love of God has another spirit that does not come from God, who is love.

Who says so? you or the bible?

and

what do you mean by unconditonal love...?
 
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God is Love. - (I John 4:8)
Don't mix the predestination of the saints with your 'works based' stairway to heaven.
 
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Actually, which lineage were you referring to?
The one in Matthew or the one in Luke?
Because they split at the sons of David.
Which literal one do you hold to?
Maybe this will help

2 Samuel 7:14,16-17 (KJV)
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: [16] And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. [17] According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

Who is The Lord speaking of?
 
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God is Love. - (I John 4:8)
Don't mix the predestination of the saints with your 'works based' stairway to heaven.
God is Love

As long as you keep the commandments
Conditional
 
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Who says so? you or the bible?

and

what do you mean by unconditonal love...?
God love is conditional in other words something is required from you to have it

Do you love God?

If you do then you must do this

John 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21 (KJV)
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

In order for God's love to dwell in you this must happen

John 15:10 (KJV)
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

God love those who keep his commandments
1 John 5:3 (KJV)
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Do you believe what is written here?
 
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Esau is a person who rejected God.
The prophecies concerning the tribes of Esau were for that particular time because they attacked Israel.

What I'm asking you is how does that translate into today; under this new covenant?
Or is your claim that faith has nothing to do with God's blessing or cursing, and so Christ died in vain?
Rick

Show me where the Lotd changed his mind concerning his hatred for Esau

God said he hate Esau it means what it says , whatever excuse you want to use he had it said it in the OT and confirmed in the NT
 
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Exactly.
Now, was David chastised by God? - Yes.
Why? - Because he sinned grievously.
The throne of David was established forever in Jesus Christ.
Because Jesus is the only one that did not sin.
O.K.
Now, - how was it that David was not blotted out of the lambs book of life?
(Hint) - "Blessed in the man who's sins are not remembered".
Now, why was David forgiven? Was it not because God heard his cries of repentance.
How many times was David forgiven of terrible crimes?
Do you know? - Three times as recorded in the word.
Why did God not allow David's heart to be hardened?
Why did God send prophets to correct David after each time he
grievously sinned?
- And how was it David had the heart to repent and not have the prophet sent by God killed?
It is because of the grace of God keeping David's heart from becoming hard.
David payed a heavy penalty in his natural life for his sins.
But God saved his eternal soul out of all of them.
Jesus is the Son of David, because Jesus fulfilled the love toward the Father as David hadn't in his life......
(even though he had a heart after God).
The term 'Son of David' is spiritual; as Jesus' kingdom, (which isn't of this world); is the only one that fulfilled the
prophecy you referenced. - "My kingdom is not of this world, else my servants would deliver Me out of your hands"; so said Jesus
to the procreator of Rome over Judea: (Pontius Pilate).
 
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Thank you for proving my argument Ozell.
God judges the soul.
Not the bloodline.
So why do you hold to the literal interpretation of prophecy as it concerns faith?
Why do you mix physical realities at the time of the prophets with
spiritual realities today?

What did Jesus say? (John 6:63)
I don't think I proved anything because you don know the story of Esau

What I do know is this

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
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Exactly.
Now, was David chastised by God? - Yes.
Why? - Because he sinned grievously.
The throne of David was established forever in Jesus Christ.
Because Jesus is the only one that did not sin.
O.K.
Now, - how was it that David was not blotted out of the lambs book of life?
(Hint) - "Blessed in the man who's sins are not remembered".
Now, why was David forgiven? Was it not because God heard his cries of repentance.
How many times was David forgiven of terrible crimes?
Do you know? - Three times as recorded in the word.
Why did God not allow David's heart to be hardened?
Why did God send prophets to correct David after each time he
grievously sinned?
- And how was it David had the heart to repent and not have the prophet sent by God killed?
It is because of the grace of God keeping David's heart from becoming hard.
David payed a heavy penalty in his natural life for his sins.
But God saved his eternal soul out of all of them.
Jesus is the Son of David, because Jesus fulfilled the love toward the Father as David hadn't in his life......
(even though he had a heart after God).
The term 'Son of David' is spiritual; as Jesus' kingdom, (which isn't of this world); is the only one that fulfilled the
prophecy you referenced. - "My kingdom is not of this world, else my servants would deliver Me out of your hands"; so said Jesus
to the procreator of Rome over Judea: (Pontius Pilate).
Is Jesus a son of David was your question correct ?

Is he?