The False Doctrine of OSAS

[marianna]

Continue on, then

Did you read ALL my post? I said that you sounded like you were talking about those in church not supporting seekers, but, yoy were redeemed because crossfyre mentioned 'lose your salvation' which is what good ole OSAS is all so falsely faithed about.

If Crossfire said one can lose their salvation, he is mistaken.
I don't think he said that.

 

[Crossfire]

He said we reject the leading of the spirit. When reality is we can't.

he leads the right way, but we do not always chose to follow him.

Does anyone else see the contradiction above?

Scripture states that when one chooses to follow the Spirit then one need not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Gal. 5, Rom. 8). When one sins, one is clearly not following the lead of the Holy Spirit, proof positive that the choice whether or not to follow the Spirit is ours to make.

Since one can choose to ignore the leading of the Holy Spirit resulting in sin, could one choose to willingly refuse to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit resulting in a reprobate heart & mind? (See Romans 1)

 

[marianna]

Anyways, no I do not believe that one can "lose" their salvation. God does not give up on people. However, just like a husband who decides to leave his wife and family for a woman half his age, I do believe that one can abandon their salvation. Now that doesn't mean God gives up on them, He will continue to draw them back however, I do believe one can forfeit there salvation. We would not have free will if such an option was not on the table.

However, the real tragedy is when someone believes that they are forsaken because of things that they might have done. God is more than willing to forgive when we are willing to repent despite what our situation may look like. [/B]

GreennNice,
Crossfire does not believe one can lose their salvation.
You should correct your false statement about him.
You ought to be careful in your lust for sectarianism.
God deplores it.

 

[GreenNnice]

GreennNice,
Crossfire does not believe one can lose their salvation.
You should correct your false statement about him.
You ought to be careful in your lust for sectarianism.
God deplores it.

What???

Crossfyre, YES, believes in Truth, I just said he mentioned 'lose your salvation' in his post which led me to see he was on topic for this thread, mari.

 

[marianna]

Does anyone else see the contradiction above?

Scripture states that when one chooses to follow the Spirit then one need not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Gal. 5, Rom. 8). When one sins, one is clearly not following the lead of the Holy Spirit, proof positive that the choice whether or not to follow the Spirit is ours to make.

Since one can choose to ignore the leading of the Holy Spirit resulting in sin, could one choose to willingly refuse to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit resulting in a reprobate heart & mind? (See Romans 1)

Hi Crossfire.
No, the 'contradiction' is clarified in the passage itself. There is no contradiction.

Deliverance from Bondage

1Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. - Romans 8

So the idea that choice is involved discounts any contradiction.
Paul said those in the flesh are not even able to subject themselves to God.

9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

So if we have the Spirit, we blong to Christ, and we will submit, for God has enabled us to

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. - John 6:44

 

[marianna]

Continue on, then

Did you read ALL my post? I said that you sounded like you were talking about those in church not supporting seekers, but, yoy were redeemed because crossfyre mentioned 'lose your salvation' which is what good ole OSAS is all so falsely faithed about.

Oh.
You are the thread police. But can't seem to focus on any topic consistently.
I've had enough for today.
Goodnight.

 

[GreenNnice]

Oh.
You are the thread police. But can't seem to focus on any topic consistently.
I've had enough for today.
Goodnight.

No, I simply asked to stay on topic, if not , I asked, maybe go start your OWN thread, ok then, goodnight, God bless you, Mari

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Exactly, homward?

Eg, why do you like homeboundward's post???

it speaks of NOT grace alone for justification, it speaks of ONCE we are with His Spirit received -- whenever that time is as He leads us to Him IN us in that way--there is His leading and His leading, as Paul preached was to fight the flesh against our spirit (1 Cor. 7) and to do what our whole life ?

Run the race, fight the fight, ENDure, for our crown of life awaits in Christ Jesus, our upward prize

I see no where in his post where he is stating we are working for justification. Thats your interpretation of what he said.

He told us how as children of God we walk in faith and not by site.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Does anyone else see the contradiction above?

Now crossfire, I understand others doing what you just did. But I did not expect that from you. Why did you refuse to post ALL that i said., for in doing so you would have seen there was no contradiction.

if you would have posted it all, you would have seen WE STILL ARE LED.

when we get off the path, he is grieved, but does not leave us, but he chastens us to bring us back on path.

either way he leads us, 100 % of the time, from the moment we recieve him, to the moment we die and enter eternity.

I am saddened by your trickery.


Even if you did. You as a smart man there is a HUGE difference between REJECTING the spirit. and chosing from time to time to go your own way, When one rejects something they never do what he says because they reject him.

Scripture states that when one chooses to follow the Spirit then one need not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Gal. 5, Rom. 8). When one sins, one is clearly not following the lead of the Holy Spirit, proof positive that the choice whether or not to follow the Spirit is ours to make.

So you follow him 100 % of the time? And when you don't are you rejecting the spirit? or chosing a different way? there is a huge difference. and when you do chose to go your way, What does the spirit do to bring you back? or does the spirit just leave and ignore you?

Since one can choose to ignore the leading of the Holy Spirit resulting in sin, could one choose to willingly refuse to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit resulting in a reprobate heart & mind? (See Romans 1)

Romans 1 speaks of the world who deny's God. who deny's his leading all together. Because they loved sin more than the loved God. A perosn who loves sin is condemned already, because the reject God. Paul is telling them they will have no excuse.

it is not speaking about Christians, for we knew and trusted we were condemned. Again you sadeen my by your trickery and refusal to accept such truths.

 

[GreenNnice]

I see no where in his post where he is stating we are working for justification. Thats your interpretation of what he said.

He told us how as children of God we walk in faith and not by site.

YES, we do . Hebrews 11:1, eg, is pointedly clear of how this Christian living is to be done. Through faith.

We accept God's grace on the cross but we then are to do more. And, Scripture is pointedly clear, as the justication complete process is made clear in 1 Cor. 6:11, we have much 'Spirited' work to begin to understand, as Acts, and, then Romans 15 leads us to the sanctification understanding, which is understood even more so in 1 Cor. and 2nd Cor. and Galatians and.....

Read your bible, eg, the Word of God is sharper than any weapon formed against us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By the way Greeny, why did you refuse to answer this post. Do I need to keep reposting it?

eg: your running trying to earn salvation at the end. is this not what you said? How could I or anyone else misinterpret this saying.
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Eg, don't know how you keep midinterpteting what I say of my runningva race having nothing to do with works and everything to do with His leading.

What don't you understand of this Truth. Those of being called sons of God MUST be led by the Spirit of God

Wake up.

you can twist it however you want. Your running to get a reward, or to get paid for what your working for. which is justification.

are you denying this now? go ahead and say you deny your running to get justification. then tell us how you deny this. and when we are justified.

 

[GreenNnice]

By the way Greeny, why did you refuse to answer this post. Do I need to keep reposting it?



you can twist it however you want. Your running to get a reward, or to get paid for what your working for. which is justification.

are you denying this now? go ahead and say you deny your running to get justification. then tell us how you deny this. and when we are justified.

My race is run for Christ Jesus, I don't run for any works, and, my salvation is secure in the hope of Him who says one day He will take me Home

 

[cfultz3]

and I might add. He said we reject the leading of the spirit. When reality is we can't.

he leads the right way, but we do not always chose to follow him.

when we get off the path, he is grieved, but does not leave us, but he chastens us to bring us back on path.

either way he leads us, 100 % of the time, from the moment we recieve him, to the moment we die and enter eternity.

did I say you or do you include yourself in the they I said?

 

[GreenNnice]

YES, 100% leading, the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

I can answer any doubt of anyone on this Truth, cee follows the Spirit with faithfulness100% , with ALL of his praying being as He is led, as he is fed, homsteadbound . Be very understanding of the last said words for they form the basis for the walk cee, not to mention, I, and , also, all who believe in His faithful leading of their individual lives, which has NOTHING to do with earning salvation by works but everything to do with wanting to follow Him, and, get this understanding down pat those in Him fall , they just get back up because they know they are both justified by the Blood covering their 'falling' and by the Holy Spirit unto their life faith-fully then received at His appointed time. Just as Scripture takes a while to get to The Cross , so does Scripture take awhile to have us FULLY understand not just the power, but the grave importance if welcoming the Spirit into our life when the milk's been received and meat is at the ready for His giving and our taking in

Is this said OK, brotherCee

 

[eternally-gratefull]

YES, we do . Hebrews 11:1, eg, is pointedly clear of how this Christian living is to be done. Through faith.

We accept God's grace on the cross but we then are to do more. And, Scripture is pointedly clear, as the justication complete process is made clear in 1 Cor. 6:11, we have much 'Spirited' work to begin to understand, as Acts, and, then Romans 15 leads us to the sanctification understanding, which is understood even more so in 1 Cor. and 2nd Cor. and Galatians and.....

Read your bible, eg, the Word of God is sharper than any weapon formed against us.

lol. Yes, Christian living is to be done in faith. But if your not a christian. it does us no good.

According to you. we can't be a christian or justified until the end, and it depends on how good we 'run the race" as you put it. This is not even close to be saying the same thing.

as for what he said, we should let him decide what he said and what he did not say.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My race is run for Christ Jesus, I don't run for any works, and, my salvation is secure in the hope of Him who says one day He will take me Home

You did not answer my question. so i ask again.

Are you running in order to obtain your justification. or are you not?

It can;t be both ways. when are you going to admit what you believe? I will keep asking till you answer yes or no.

 

[GreenNnice]

I've answered many times, I'm running 'the race' Christ as set out for me, and, I am secure in my salvation because I CHOOSE to believe in The Cross and I CHOOSE to have the Spirit of God leading my life. He leads, I follow.

Now, there is a nice 'big boy' answer for ya, big boy

 

[GreenNnice]

How are you justified that you already have entered His 'rest,' eg?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I've answered many times, I'm running 'the race' Christ as set out for me, and, I am secure in my salvation because I CHOOSE to believe in The Cross and I CHOOSE to have the Spirit of God leading my life. He leads, I follow.

Now, there is a nice 'big boy' answer for ya, big boy

So you refuse to answer.

what is so hard? Your running to earn justification. Or you already have it.. which is it??

remember, everyone is watching you. and will judge you on how you answer, or if you refuse to answer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How are you justified that you already have entered His 'rest,' eg?

Do what?

I am justifed freely by the blood of Christ which has washed all my sin.

I have the ability to enter his rest BECAUSE I was justified. But I have to work for it. If I do not work hard enough, i will never enter his rest, and lose many rewards, but I am STILL justified freely.

Romans 3:24
and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

so why are you still trying to work to earn justification, when it was paid for (redeemed) by Christ?