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If sins are pre-forgiven, what then is the purpoe of the Throne of Mercy? Is it not also said that we are to forgive in order to be forgiven? It would then seem to me that we are not forgiven until we ask for forgiveness, of whch leading is brought about through the Holy Spirit. Again, if I am pre-forgiven, why even ask the One on that Throne to forgive me?
1Jn 1:9 if we may confess our sins, stedfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness;
Luk 11:4 and forgive us our sins, for (seeing that (reason)) also we ourselves forgive every one indebted to us; and mayest Thou not bring us into temptation; but do Thou deliver us from the evil.'
1Jn 1:9 if we may confess our sins, stedfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness;
Luk 11:4 and forgive us our sins, for (seeing that (reason)) also we ourselves forgive every one indebted to us; and mayest Thou not bring us into temptation; but do Thou deliver us from the evil.'
If I parse Luke 11:4 into the greek (which a know a brilliant guy like you may have already done, so, sorry if you have!) that part about us forgiving comes out "kai gar autoi aphiomen panti opheilonti hémin". The whole thing rendered strictly literally reads:
"and forgive us the sins of us, also indeed ourselves we forgive everyone indebted to us".
There's no cause and effect there. But the Lord wants us to remember when we pray to also forgive (like, on a regular).