Is this lawful for Jesus?

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Is it lawful for Jesus to do as He wills with what is His?

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Love4Truth

Love4Truth

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Further documentation,

Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Did you catch that, By Nature, just like others still are right now, but they will not always be, it will happen with them the same as with us, When He quickens (makes them alive) unto the Truth of the Gospel, the same as He did with you and I.
 
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cfultz3

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Love4Truth said:
The same as in all of us who are born again, we were all wicked in God's eyes before we came into the knowledge of The Truth of Christ were we not? He destroys "in" us that wicked nature, and then makes us a brand new creation in Christ, does He not?

So we are now no more wicked, but righteous because of Him and what He has done.
Therefore in due time, the same will happen to all, because He died for All, to be testified of in due time.

The Wicked is not the person, it is a nature that is within, it is the nature of the beast, until it is destroyed through The Power of The Christ. Then they are no more wicked, but bow, (submit) to Truth.

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And what was the purpose of dying and saying that one must have faith in Christ for salvation.

Are you actually saying that we can live as we please here and now and in eternity all will be forgiven?

Are you actually saying that I can go around torturing and killing and disfiguring people here and now and in eternity all will be forgiven?

Are yo actually that blind to reality?
 
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cfultz3

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Love4Truth said:
Further documentation,

Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Did you catch that, By Nature, just like others still are right now, but they will not always be, it will happen with them the same as with us, When He quickens (makes them alive) unto the Truth of the Gospel, the same as He did with you and I.
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Yes I did catch that...........WE = those in Christ...stop that ignorance.....
 
Love4Truth

Love4Truth

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cfultz3 said:
And what was the purpose of dying and saying that one must have faith in Christ for salvation.

Are you actually saying that we can live as we please here and now and in eternity all will be forgiven?

Are you actually saying that I can go around torturing and killing and disfiguring people here and now and in eternity all will be forgiven?

Are yo actually that blind to reality?
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Do you not understand that being made a "New Creation" in Christ, does not do those things anymore?
Their desire is towards The Father, and pleasing Him, are you born again? are you a new creation in Christ?
Do you want to do those things? Does not The Love of God that is shed abroad in your heart constrain you?

Did He or did He not change your heart and desires?
 
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Love4Truth

Love4Truth

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cfultz3 said:
Yes I did catch that...........WE = those in Christ...stop that ignorance.....
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What do you mean stop that ignorance?
It says "Even as others" . In other words, we were just like them, until God and His Mercy changed our heart.
 
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cfultz3

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Love4Truth said:
What do you mean stop that ignorance?
It says "Even as others" . In other words, we were just like them, until God and His Mercy changed our heart.
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IF they ARE children of wrath and eventually they will be saved, would it not be ignorant of one to say that faith in the here and now is useless? It does not take a scientist to figure out that one cannot live like a devil and still expect to receive salvation apart from faith.
 
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cfultz3

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Love4Truth said:
Do you not understand that being made a "New Creation" in Christ, does not do those things anymore?
Their desire is towards The Father, and pleasing Him, are you born again? are you a new creation in Christ?
Do you want to do those things? Does not The Love of God that is shed abroad in your heart constrain you?

Did He or did He not change your heart and desires?
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your response has what to do with universal salvation? None!!!!

I can be wicked all I want and still receive salvation in the afterlife? Get real!!!!
 
Love4Truth

Love4Truth

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cfultz3 said:
IF they ARE children of wrath and eventually they will be saved, would it not be ignorant of one to say that faith in the here and now is useless? It does not take a scientist to figure out that one cannot live like a devil and still expect to receive salvation apart from faith.
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Of course not, but on the other hand if they are given faith to believe, then they would no longer live like the devil now would they?

Or are you one of those who believe that your faith is something you got all by yourself?
Faith is the gift of God, it is Given by Him, to believe, it is "NOT" something that can be conjured up by man.
Faith comes through The Holy Spirit, And hearing the Rhema of God, that is the Word made Alive unto you.

And if you (one who supposedly has faith) have to ask what purpose it serves here and now if we will all be saved eventually, then all I can say is that you have truly never had it to begin with.

And have no idea what it was like to be in darkness and then come into the Light, how could you ever count that as useless? Here and Now is when we need faith. We are privileged , and should be Humbled to have been given faith here and now, so that we can see HIM. For without it we can't.
 
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cfultz3

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If some people would actually take the time to read Scripture, they would never come to the conclusion of Universal Salvation. Some people are to lazy to take the time to study and learn that there are about 5 words which could be translated 'will'. Good grieve, even having Satan reconcilated by Jesus' blood is about as far fetched as saying that Hitler sets next to Jesus on His throne.
 
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cfultz3

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Love4Truth said:
Of course not, but on the other hand if they are given faith to believe, then they would no longer live like the devil now would they?

Or are you one of those who believe that your faith is something you got all by yourself?
Faith is the gift of God, it is Given by Him, to believe, it is "NOT" something that can be conjured up by man.
Faith comes through The Holy Spirit, And hearing the Rhema of God, that is the Word made Alive unto you.

And if you (one who supposedly has faith) have to ask what purpose it serves here and now if we will all be saved eventually, then all I can say is that you have truly never had it to begin with.

And have no idea what it was like to be in darkness and then come into the Light, how could you ever count that as useless? Here and Now is when we need faith. We are privileged , and should be Humbled to have been given faith here and now, so that we can see HIM. For without it we can't.
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stop it with your rambling and answer the question......

faith is for the here and now not after death....that is like saying that Jesus went to Hades and preached to the damned like patient said...lol
 
Love4Truth

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cfultz3 said:
stop it with your rambling and answer the question......

faith is for the here and now not after death....that is like saying that Jesus went to Hades and preached to the damned like patient said...lol
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NO, I think I have explained my way of seeing things pretty well, as for you, you said you would address those scriptures that I posted if I would answer you, and I have. If you are so blind and cannot see that then that is the way it is and even that I accept that, is of The Father, for now.

God Bless
 
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cfultz3

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Zone, God's Righteous Wrath towards Sin, was poured out upon Jesus Christ on the Cross, He stood in the very seat of ALL Judgment, for all men. We just don't see it yet made manifest. But through faith in what He has done we can. --- Forgivness is given to those who come to the Throne of Mercy. If one does not come to the One on that throne, then how do you expect one to be forgiven. Christ came to offer salvation to all who would PUT faith in Him. Makes one wonder why 'the childre of wrath' are still spoken about or how those who follow the antichrist will receive the second death. How arrogant of one to think that those on the left who will receive an EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord will ever be present before Him again after receiving a second death. Suppose that He will return to Hades and retrieve them a second time (what a foolish thought).

1Co 15:27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him."
1Co 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)" -- So, I guess that would make Him Lord of lords and who of those on His left will be able to stand against His verdict of an everlasting destruction. I know, I got it. They will be punished accordingly and then receive everlasting life. So I guess once those who received everlasting life orginally, will run out of everlasting life and will have to go to everlasting destruction. Wonder what part of the word 'everlasting' some people do not understand?


Heb 2:8 All dost Thou subject underneath his feet.For in the subjection of all to him, He leaves nothing unsubject to him. Yet now we are not as yet seeing all subject to him." --Could it possible be that 'ALL THINGS' simple mean that everything will return back to the way it was before the fall minus those who conscienciously choose not to be in union with God? Do you actually think that God will drag the rebellious back by their hair and demand their worship....that sounds more like a sickness of the mind.

Heb 2:9 Yet we are observing Jesus, Who has been made some bit inferior to messengers (because of the suffering of death, wreathed with glory and honor), so that in the grace of God, He should be tasting death for the sake of everyone." -- so I guess the second death is nulled in this teaching....are you saying that Christ will return to Hades and deliver the wicked from it? What part of 'everlasting destruction' don't you all understand?

subjected:

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From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: - be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

For every knee will bow to The Glory of The Father and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, and this through The Quickening Spirit of God, for there is no other way, and no one can confess that He is Lord except by The Holy Spirit. -- So I suppose even the demons will be filled with the Spirit on that day? Hmmmm...


God Bless
 
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cfultz3

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This Universal Salvation thing is no better then one who teaches a licentious gospel...wait....they are the same.....It never amazes me how people justify sin so that they can continue in it.
 
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PatientSpirit said:
I know the story. The truth of the parable is this. To be in Christ is to crucify the flesh. You must die first. The ones who served a majority of their lives until death gets the same reward (salvation) as those whom this group sees as wicked. As evidenced in this thread as most see over 70% of humanity doomed. These only serve God an hour or upon physical death.

Don't you see? That's what's happening here. They're only mad because the man who went to church all of his life gets the same reward as the man who was a pornstar until his death. This is evident by what we can see in that what the world considered good (man going to church) DIES along with what the world considers bad (pornstar). Hence the question. If Christ owns all souls, who are we to say as to what He does. But knowing that His will IS to save ALL, Both the man who chose church and the man who chose porn can have peace within themselves and eachother.
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^ DANGER (time to start reporting this stuff methinks) ^ DANGER

Dear Universalist Heretic:

does the pornstar who "gets the same reward" repent and receive forgiveness BEFORE his death?



you're on the broad road comrade.
by the Grace of God, i'm not letting you take anybody with you.

zone
 
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PatientSpirit

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zone said:
i'm not going to try to wrestle with Universalists who scoff at God's Righteous wrath on sin < SINNERS.
what you don't get is that He is showing Mercy by saving ANY. by not destroying us ALL.

experience tells me Universalists have chosen this g-d of their own making and will draw back from the true Gospel (salvation from WRATH), usually into new age spirituality.
i have yet to see a universalist change their mind.

i'll pray for both of you.
it's going to take Divine Intervention for you to see how wrong you are.
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You're a christian! The One you follow wanted to SAVE the world. You however seem more content to prove most are doomed! I don't get it.

Is not all of heaven and earth named after Him?


Abraham Isaac and Jacob found life.
 
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PatientSpirit

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cfultz3 said:
Are you seriously that arrogant to beleive that all will be saved?
Are you so arrogant to believe that all believe/accept Jesus?
You Universal Salvastists would even have Satan himself redeemed.
Get over yourself and learn the many different difintions of 'will'.
God desires all to be saved but not all will.
You people never amazes me.....all will be saved so live in sin.....dah
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I never said that all accepts Christ. Just that all will.

Do you sin?
 
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cfultz3

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PatientSpirit said:
You're a christian! The One you follow wanted to SAVE the world. You however seem more content to prove most are doomed! I don't get it.

Is not all of heaven and earth named after Him?


Abraham Isaac and Jacob found life.
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You need to get real too......People doom themselves by the choices they make......If one chooses to throw himself in the jaws of a shark, would it not be his own fault that he was chewed up...yet you want to contend that we can do as we please, even spit in the face of the crucification and still receive salvation through that blood.....what a disgusting thought.....what a slap in the face for God......
 
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