Again I never said that. Paul was scrutinized under this same reasoning. But God is not mocked! A man will reap what he sows. If I jump into the mouth of a shark, what do you expect to happen? If I run across a busy expressway, expect bad things. If I have sex with many women, expect std's babies and baby momas. These things all however end in death.
Is this lawful for Jesus?
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Again I never said that. Paul was scrutinized under this same reasoning. But God is not mocked! A man will reap what he sows. If I jump into the mouth of a shark, what do you expect to happen? If I run across a busy expressway, expect bad things. If I have sex with many women, expect std's babies and baby momas. These things all however end in death.
Psalms 90:3
3*Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
Let's take this verse. I think it's pretty straight forward, but I'm curious as to how you who TEACH that Jesus died to save the world but believe that the world is doomed.
Is this just the destruction of those that are saved? How is a non believer's destruction differ from this. Does this destruction mean the same as the one in the verses zone quoted?
3*Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
Let's take this verse. I think it's pretty straight forward, but I'm curious as to how you who TEACH that Jesus died to save the world but believe that the world is doomed.
Is this just the destruction of those that are saved? How is a non believer's destruction differ from this. Does this destruction mean the same as the one in the verses zone quoted?
Jesus is free to save and reward new believers in the same way as those that had believed and been working in the field with Him for the longest time.
The conditions for the crowns are not dependent on the lengths of time, but departing from Him in comitting iniquity can result in the loss of those crowns.
Now if universalism was the hidden topic for which this verse was being applied towards, then considered this:
Those along the road had to agree with the price for working in His field. They came to an agreement of what He had said and believed Him, and so they went into the field to work even if it was for that last hour of the day.
That does not mean that those that did not agree with the price and did not worked in the field are going to be paid. That is not what Jesus said and therefore cannot be applied towards universalism.
Also: do note that all the workers were of the living. None of the dead can work the field obviously which means now is the time for salvation as there is no other name given among men under heaven ( that means on this earth among the living ) that can be saved by, so call on the name of the Lord now.
The conditions for the crowns are not dependent on the lengths of time, but departing from Him in comitting iniquity can result in the loss of those crowns.
Now if universalism was the hidden topic for which this verse was being applied towards, then considered this:
Those along the road had to agree with the price for working in His field. They came to an agreement of what He had said and believed Him, and so they went into the field to work even if it was for that last hour of the day.
That does not mean that those that did not agree with the price and did not worked in the field are going to be paid. That is not what Jesus said and therefore cannot be applied towards universalism.
Also: do note that all the workers were of the living. None of the dead can work the field obviously which means now is the time for salvation as there is no other name given among men under heaven ( that means on this earth among the living ) that can be saved by, so call on the name of the Lord now.
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If I sold you a stable of horses, the horses now being something you OWN, but before you go to retrieve them, I say that in order for them to now go with you, they have to choose to of their own "free will".
Would you accept the terms layed out by me in regards to what YOU OWN? Of course not!
It's NOT up to the horses! Whether I or you, they're OWNED!
Romans 6:16-18
16*Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17*But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18*Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Being either slaves of sin are of righteousness, we like the horses were paid for with a price.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19*What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20*For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Whether the horses realize it or not (being beasts) doesn't matter. THEY WERE BROUGHT!
Now of the horses in the stable, a few might have some intelligence to walk towards their new owner, but for the majority these BEASTS will act only according to their nature.
But again I ask will you leave what you paid for simply for a horse (beast) being a horse???
OF COURSE YOU WON'T!
Ephesians 4:8
8*Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
AND NEITHER WILL JESUS!
Would you accept the terms layed out by me in regards to what YOU OWN? Of course not!
It's NOT up to the horses! Whether I or you, they're OWNED!
Romans 6:16-18
16*Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17*But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18*Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Being either slaves of sin are of righteousness, we like the horses were paid for with a price.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19*What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20*For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Whether the horses realize it or not (being beasts) doesn't matter. THEY WERE BROUGHT!
Now of the horses in the stable, a few might have some intelligence to walk towards their new owner, but for the majority these BEASTS will act only according to their nature.
But again I ask will you leave what you paid for simply for a horse (beast) being a horse???
OF COURSE YOU WON'T!
Ephesians 4:8
8*Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
AND NEITHER WILL JESUS!
L
I agree Christ was tempted in all points as we are But, the next few words say yet without sin. Do you know what that means? Sin strengthens temptation, to give an example:-someone who smokes their temptation to smoke will be much stronger than for someone who does not smoke. Adam & Eve were perfect yet they sinned, not because not because of inherited tendencies or through sinful habit.
Yes both are of the living who work the field, but only the laborers in the morning agreed for a penny. THE REST agreed to work for "whatsoever is right to receive".
And seeing as how the Lord of the sabbath has visited the vineyard, those in the field are still murmuring over the rest receiving the same pay nonetheless. Why do they murmur? Because those that are in Christ are DEAD, and NO LONGER work the field!
And seeing as how the Lord of the sabbath has visited the vineyard, those in the field are still murmuring over the rest receiving the same pay nonetheless. Why do they murmur? Because those that are in Christ are DEAD, and NO LONGER work the field!
Huh? Ok.......
"sin strengthens temptation"...
James 1:13-16
13*Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14*But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15*Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16*Do not err, my beloved brethren.
I won't even reveal these verses here as most are not able to bare them. But sin does not strengthen temptation. It is our own lusts.
Yes exactly Exbi saved..all are elected and all are predestinated in Christ for all died in Adam and all shall be made alive in Christ. 1 Cor 15:22 unless of course you want to change it to say, all died in Adam, but only some will be made alive in Christ?
Jesus who is God said, If I be lifted up, I will draw only some people to myself..the rest I will damn forever. True or False?
Jesus who is God said, If I be lifted up, I will draw only some people to myself..the rest I will damn forever. True or False?
G
Still no time to really explain God's way to salvation vs. a universal way, the Lord leads, spiritofpatience, but will explain though , so, while I watch the Hobbit, I have something to go by.
Why won't one confess Christ at the judgment seat if not having the Holy Spirit?
Will those who don't believe in Christ be able to confess even?
Won't the ones having not chosen Him be in a different judgment?
Don't only those who love Christ confess? You saying nonbelievers will be forced to bow their knees?
Is Scripture sequential in showing how the Holy Spirit enters the believer?
Remember, too, I have flustered confused the best of critics, they usually start yelling at me, as I am led to deepen this discussion.
So, first, we nee a foundation of understanding.
Let's keep all answers to-the-point, and, long posts over 250 words considered unnecessary.
I believe you will.go to Heaven only IF you have Him in you, like Scripture states must be true; of that truth, I think, we agree the same, but how He comes unto us, how He works in us/thru us, ahhh, yes, therein, the differences of us , and, by us, lie.
So,
Why won't one confess Christ at the judgment seat if not having the Holy Spirit?
Will those who don't believe in Christ be able to confess even?
Won't the ones having not chosen Him be in a different judgment?
Don't only those who love Christ confess? You saying nonbelievers will be forced to bow their knees?
Is Scripture sequential in showing how the Holy Spirit enters the believer?
Remember, too, I have flustered confused the best of critics, they usually start yelling at me, as I am led to deepen this discussion.
So, first, we nee a foundation of understanding.
Let's keep all answers to-the-point, and, long posts over 250 words considered unnecessary.
I believe you will.go to Heaven only IF you have Him in you, like Scripture states must be true; of that truth, I think, we agree the same, but how He comes unto us, how He works in us/thru us, ahhh, yes, therein, the differences of us , and, by us, lie.
So,
Green,
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
This word means to Quicken.
And that is only through The Holy Spirit
God Bless
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
This word means to Quicken.
And that is only through The Holy Spirit
God Bless
Only one who has the Holy Spirit can call or confess that He's Lord, correct?
But ALL will bow and confess!
A person can only admit to being wrong when he's shown the error of his ways. But a blind man can't see. How then can a blind man see his error. The process of death and judgement is for the purpose of correction.
The disciples in the n.t. turned a man over to satan to LEARN NOT TO BLASPHEME.
There is only one judgement. No matter what you or I or anybody believes, we go to the grave according to the flesh.
The Holy Spirit (truth) is only given upon baptism or the death (circumcision of the flesh) of a person.
But ALL will bow and confess!
A person can only admit to being wrong when he's shown the error of his ways. But a blind man can't see. How then can a blind man see his error. The process of death and judgement is for the purpose of correction.
The disciples in the n.t. turned a man over to satan to LEARN NOT TO BLASPHEME.
There is only one judgement. No matter what you or I or anybody believes, we go to the grave according to the flesh.
The Holy Spirit (truth) is only given upon baptism or the death (circumcision of the flesh) of a person.
C
I voted "no" on the technicality that Christ, being both human yet divine (Holy Spirit indwelt), stated that He did not pursue to fulfill His own will but only did that which He sees the Father doing (through the Holy Spirit). However, if a person is unable to comprehend Christ's duality (dual nature) then there's no way that person could vote "no".
Romans 1
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,e as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”f
God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Romans 10:18
But I ask, have the people of Israel actually heard the message? Yes, they have: "The message has gone throughout the earth, and the words to all the world."
Acts 17:31
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,e as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”f
God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Romans 10:18
But I ask, have the people of Israel actually heard the message? Yes, they have: "The message has gone throughout the earth, and the words to all the world."
Acts 17:31
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 25
The Final Judgment
31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
32Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
34Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels
does that sound like correction to you?
any scriptures on those "cursed", including the devil coming back some time later from the lake of fire, have been purified, and entering the Kingdom?
The Final Judgment
31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
32Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
34Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels
does that sound like correction to you?
any scriptures on those "cursed", including the devil coming back some time later from the lake of fire, have been purified, and entering the Kingdom?
Isaiah 54:4-8;11-13
4*Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5*For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6*For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7*For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8*In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.
11*O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
12*And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
13*And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
4*Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5*For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6*For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7*For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8*In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.
11*O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
12*And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
13*And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.