Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)

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Rock022

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carey said:
I know it's probably already been said, but I just had to jump in ;)
Mary does NOT intercede for us, she does NOT speak for us.
Jesus is our intercessor
Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father
it saddens me that the catholic church has deceived so many. What catholics don't realize is they are not worshipping the mary of the Bible, instead they are worshipping the queen of heaven / ashterah she is a pagan goddess/false God, mary of the Bible was never meant to be worshipped, revered, yes, but never to be bowed down to, that is a place for Jesus, and Him alone, anyone that takes the place of Jesus is false and not the truth
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This is a view of hate no matter how you slice it. For God did not say only Love Me.

As a woman put your self in Her shoes.

I was in prayer: it was evening. I was praying towards Jerusalem because my people prayed three times a day, morning, noon, and evening facing Jerusalem. I was praying for the Liberation of my people. I was praying that soon the Messiah would come to take away all hatred: to take away all sins from my people. As I was praying, there suddenly appeared an angel. At first I was afraid because it was the first time an angel had ever come to me. When I heard him say "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you" I was very confused at this greeting and yet I was very humbled that an angel would call me full of grace: that I had gained favor from God: that I was called to bear His Son. I asked the angel how this could happen? I am a virgin: I had intended to be a virgin the rest of my life even though I agreed to live with Joseph. The angel assured me, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you: the shadow of the Most High will enwrap you and the child to be born of you will be called Son of God." At that instance, I remembered the prophesy of Isaiah. The prophesy of the Messiah. The prophesy that He would be a suffering servant. A servant rejected by His own people and yet raised by God. Knowing that, I said, "Behold the handmaid, the servant of the Lord: be it done to me according to Your word."
 
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R22 said (speaking for Mary) : "I had intended to be a virgin the rest of my life even though I agreed to live with Joseph."

Added thoughts, added words, added theology.
Extremely dangerous way to divide the Word of God.
 
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RickShafer said:
R22 said (speaking for Mary) : "I had intended to be a virgin the rest of my life even though I agreed to live with Joseph."

Added thoughts, added words, added theology.
Extremely dangerous way to divide the Word of God.
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The Sacred Tradition concerning these matters is certainly derived from Mary's own testimony and, like all things in the Church, it is guided and guarded by the indwelling Holy Spirit. Mary was, in fulfilment of the Mosaic Law, betrothed to Joseph, an older man who was in fact her own uncle (as the Holy Spirit guided Sacred Tradition tells us). Thus their "marriage" was a marriage which, according to the Mosaic Law did not allow for sexual intercourse between them, because she was the bearer of the inheritance, her Firstborn, the Messiah.
 
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RickShafer said:
R22 said (speaking for Mary) : "I had intended to be a virgin the rest of my life even though I agreed to live with Joseph."

Added thoughts, added words, added theology.
Extremely dangerous way to divide the Word of God.
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The same as to say she had relations with St. Joseph it goes both ways.

She was not a virgin because she was not married, she was virgin waiting for the prophesy like many, many others. Many remained virgin for this reason, Hence the interpretation that she wanted to remain virgin for the rest of her life. Even Jesus parables talk about many virgins, why was only a few woman called virgins?

But the lust of our society can not join man and woman with ought sex. They where Holy and very favored to God who entrusted His divine life to her for forty weeks, and feed Him care for Him. God chose both of them to care for Him. What a task isn't it?
 
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Now you use a parable that Jesus used to show a spiritual truth, and you use it as material witness.
Five wise, five foolish.
Who were they waiting for? The bridegroom.
Where did they go after He came? - The marriage chamber.
What do brides and grooms do in the marriage chamber?
B.T.W., if it was literally a material interpretation, Jesus wouldn't have a plurality of women waiting on one groom.
"For this cause shall a man leave his mother and be joined to his wife."
"And the two shall be one."
 
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The Bible calls all other religions "idolatry". While Christians do not have to go around telling them "You are practising idolatry", we are called to proclaim the Gospel -- preach the Lord Jesus Christ. So the positive and godly thing is to proclaim Christ and let the idolators discover for themselves that they do not follow the One who said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father but [expect] by me" (John 14:6) 5Act 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

and... Mat 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Mat 7:4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? Mat 7:5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

So, if you are going to tell somebody that they are wrong you better make darn sure that you believe what the bible teaches first. If you don't do that then you are condemming yourself. On the other side of the coin, if somebody tells you that YOU are wrong, you had better make darn sure that THEY believe what the bible teaches first. In short, always go to the bible for truth.
 
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Geometar said:
The Sacred Tradition concerning these matters is certainly derived from Mary's own testimony and, like all things in the Church, it is guided and guarded by the indwelling Holy Spirit. Mary was, in fulfilment of the Mosaic Law, betrothed to Joseph, an older man who was in fact her own uncle (as the Holy Spirit guided Sacred Tradition tells us). Thus their "marriage" was a marriage which, according to the Mosaic Law did not allow for sexual intercourse between them, because she was the bearer of the inheritance, her Firstborn, the Messiah.
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Where does the bible say Joseph was Mary's uncle?
Show us please.
 
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quickfire said:
The Bible calls all other religions "idolatry". While Christians do not have to go around telling them "You are practising idolatry", we are called to proclaim the Gospel -- preach the Lord Jesus Christ. So the positive and godly thing is to proclaim Christ and let the idolators discover for themselves that they do not follow the One who said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father but [expect] by me" (John 14:6) 5Act 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

and... Mat 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Mat 7:4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? Mat 7:5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

So, if you are going to tell somebody that they are wrong you better make darn sure that you believe what the bible teaches first. If you don't do that then you are condemming yourself. On the other side of the coin, if somebody tells you that YOU are wrong, you had better make darn sure that THEY believe what the bible teaches first. In short, always go to the bible for truth.
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Jesus condemns no man.
It is false doctrine that condemns them.
Any doctrine that includes other gods, to the detriment of His sacrament is a false gospel.
And so should be rightly pointed out.
 
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Geometar said:
Mary is the Queen of Heaven.
And she indeed interced for us.
That telling us 2000years experience of Church and Her believers.
And not just she,but all Saints interced for us and this sinfull world.
Without their prayers,world wouldn't exist.Long time ago it would be destroyed.World indeed exist only on the prayers of the Saints!
Glory to God for all things!
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Where in the Bible does it say mary and the saints intercede for us? It doesn't because their dead, only Jesus rose from the dead, how can someone who is dead pray for the living? They can't. Jesus is the only way, do you not know when you accept Christ as your saviour you become a saint. Open your eyes beloved,
 
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Where in the Bible does it say mary and the saints intercede for us? It doesn't because their dead, only Jesus rose from the dead, how can someone who is dead pray for the living? They can't. Jesus is the only way, do you not know when you accept Christ as your saviour you become a saint. Open your eyes beloved,
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My God is the God of the living not the dead.
 
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Jesus condemns no man.
It is false doctrine that condemns them.
Any doctrine that includes other gods, to the detriment of His sacrament is a false gospel.
And so should be rightly pointed out.
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Sorry i think its a false doctrine to show
Love in a condeming way. Theres more than one way to Express concern. Theres more than one way to fuel a fire.
Theres more than one way to bake a cake. Theres more than one way to help someones fruits grow. God examines the hearts and minds of individuals .
Both you and i where born into our faith just like the catholics here.
Innocence of faith born into a faith
 
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What makes Him the God of the living?
Is it because He is the Alpha and Omega?
Or is Mary the "Queen of Heaven" that?
 
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RickShafer said:
What makes Him the God of the living?
Is it because He is the Alpha and Omega?
Or is Mary the "Queen of Heaven" that?
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I do not know if you are being sarcastic or this are true question.
 
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So.......If idolatry is a sin......
and God said "I will have no other gods before me".......
Where does that leave your veneration of Mary?
Is she part of God?
 
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All I'm asking is......
Is she divine?
Do you claim her divinity?
Yes? - You have made another god.
No? - Then why do you call her the Queen of Heaven?
Answer please.
 
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Sorry for the delay on your question I was praying the rosary before going to sleep.

No Mary is not divine.

Can you show me where does the catholic church teach us that Mary a God?

You claim you know what I believe? Perhaps you are judging me?
 
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