Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)

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[ quickfire To be saved is to be børn again to be be børn again is gods salvation all Praise must go to god. For now you are a christian you have converted to the true gospel . You have excepted jesus into your life your salvation is jesus. all praise goes to god. From this day on you shall know the truth. Salvation though can be lost because now that you know the truth if you sin you are deliberetly sining. Unless i know sincerly you did not mean it.

Be careful not to.become to righteous on my lost sheep now that you know the truth, because as much as i wanted you back i want them back to . If in doubt always ask why

QUOTE=crossnote;885530]so if you become His child and then go astray into sin you get the boot?
that's ok, I'm getting off topic...as usual ;([/QUOTE]

Hebrews 10.26 for if we deliberately sin after recieving the knowledge of the truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins .


Cross note where did i say you get the boot. ?
 

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[ quickfire To be saved is to be børn again to be be børn again is gods salvation all Praise must go to god. For now you are a christian you have converted to the true gospel . You have excepted jesus into your life your salvation is jesus. all praise goes to god. From this day on you shall know the truth. Salvation though can be lost because now that you know the truth if you sin you are deliberetly sining. Unless i know sincerly you did not mean it.

Be careful not to.become to righteous on my lost sheep now that you know the truth, because as much as i wanted you back i want them back to . If in doubt always ask why

QUOTE=crossnote;885530]so if you become His child and then go astray into sin you get the boot?
that's ok, I'm getting off topic...as usual ;(
Hebrews 10.26 for if we deliberately sin after recieving the knowledge of the truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins .


Cross note where did i say you get the boot. ?[/quote]

The deliberate sin of Heb 10:26 is ultimately rejecting the PERSON of Jesus Christ who is the 'better' Sacrifice, the better Priesthood, the better Covenant, the better Rest. This is the warning of the Book of Hebrews directly written to Jews who under severe pressure were tempted to revert to Judaism. To do so would be rejecting Jesus and all that is bound up in Him and without which there is no sacrifice for sin because the blood of bulls and goats can't take away sin.
Nearly all sin is deliberate but because of our living High Priest we do have forgiveness of sin. The picture you are laying out is that we can become His children through the new birth and then get booted out of the family because there is no more sacrifice for sins. No, read ALL of Hebrews in context and then Heb 10:26 will make sense.
 

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The deliberate sin of Heb 10:26 is ultimately rejecting the PERSON of Jesus Christ who is the 'better' Sacrifice, the better Priesthood, the better Covenant, the better Rest. This is the warning of the Book of Hebrews directly written to Jews who under severe pressure were tempted to revert to Judaism. To do so would be rejecting Jesus and all that is bound up in Him and without which there is no sacrifice for sin because the blood of bulls and goats can't take away sin.
Nearly all sin is deliberate but because of our living High Priest we do have forgiveness of sin. The picture you are laying out is that we can become His children through the new birth and then get booted out of the family because there is no more sacrifice for sins. No, read ALL of Hebrews in context and then Heb 10:26 will make sense.


how many sincere souls have been shipwrecked over this?
it wearisome.
 
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Nope once sgain i said be careful .

I never said you will be booted out.

I really dont know what message your trying to put out here cross note.

Can i ask you a question cross note is it ok to sin because we have forgivness ?
 

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Nope once sgain i said be careful .

I never said you will be booted out.

I really dont know what message your trying to put out here cross note.

Can i ask you a question cross note is it ok to sin because we have forgivness ?
no it is not and if we are born again neither will we want to, but if we do we have an Advocate who...

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1Jn 1:9-10)
 
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Hebrews 10.26 for if we deliberately sin after recieving the knowledge of the truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins .


Cross note where did i say you get the boot. ?
The deliberate sin of Heb 10:26 is ultimately rejecting the PERSON of Jesus Christ who is the 'better' Sacrifice, the better Priesthood, the better Covenant, the better Rest. This is the warning of the Book of Hebrews directly written to Jews who under severe pressure were tempted to revert to Judaism. To do so would be rejecting Jesus and all that is bound up in Him and without which there is no sacrifice for sin because the blood of bulls and goats can't take away sin.
Nearly all sin is deliberate but because of our living High Priest we do have forgiveness of sin. The picture you are laying out is that we can become His children through the new birth and then get booted out of the family because there is no more sacrifice for sins. No, read ALL of Hebrews in context and then Heb 10:26 will make sense.[/QUOTE]


Right look what you are saying here is misleading yourself.
It is a major no no to sin once you know the truth .

You are right however about there being no more need for sacrifice of blood to cleanse your sins away but thats not what i was refering to in hebrews 10.26.
Ok i should of posted 10.27 as Well.
That you are right about .

But this i am right about
Hebrews 10.26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God
Ök 10.26 your right it does mean no more sacrifice of blood needed.
But 27 says this is the New way you will be severly judged.
If we deliberately keep on sinning we risk are eternal reward our End goal from jesus our salvation.
Your right about there not being anymore need for sacrifice of blood And also commanded by moses in th ot.
.you know mainstream jews still practise this today They dismiss the new testement and just belive in the old.. They dont believe in the coming of jesus .They cut the throats of chickens and swing them round there heads
Thinking it will wash away there sin

Just because i left that part out on this post here

To be saved is to be born again to be be born again is gods salvation all Praise must go to god. For now you are a christian you have converted to the true gospel . You have excepted jesus into your life your salvation is jesus. all praise goes to god. From this day on you shall know the truth. Salvation though can be lost because now that you know the truth if you sin you are deliberately sinning. Unless i know sincerely you did not mean it.

Be careful not to. become to righteous on my lost sheep now that you know the truth, because as much as i wanted you back i want them back to . If in doubt always ask why
 
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Behold, your mother!

Mary is Jesus' (God's) mother, and ours!

But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
John 19:25-27

We should all follow Christ's disciple's example and welcome Mary into our home.



Hail Mary, full of Grace! The Lord is with you!

In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!”
Luke 1:26-28
“Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!"
Luke 1:42


Praise and glory to you Lord Jesus Christ! Glory to God in the highest!
 
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So geo it looks like your Ancient popes fell out because of different
doctrine beliefs .
And each pope claiming that this was the right traditional way.?
Some popes claiming They have the keys to heaven. They are the New st peter.
Geo the Main reason you say is the titles They gave to them selfs.
And popes proclaiming to be the vicar of jesus.
I'm looking and you also have a few others like communion . Immaculate conception
Purgatory. Priests being able to marry is not allowed on One side .
There are some other too like what day easter fall's on and christmas.

Geo Do you not feal that something is not right here.
Would it not be better just to go of scripture than tradition.
 
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Re: Behold, your mother!

Mary is Jesus' (God's) mother, and ours!

But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
John 19:25-27

We should all follow Christ's disciple's example and welcome Mary into our home.
Jesus told John to take in Mary, not us.
But we out to help the helpless widow.
 
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Jesus told John to take in Mary, not us.
But we out to help the helpless widow.
If Jesus wanted only John to take care of His mother.
Why did Jesus tell John "Behold your mother" and not [behold My mother] or [take care of My mother] or something similar, and why was it so important to write it in the scriptures?
 

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Re: Behold, your mother!

If Jesus wanted only John to take care of His mother.
Why did Jesus tell John "Behold your mother" and not [behold My mother] or [take care of My mother] or something similar, and why was it so important to write it in the scriptures?
Because Jesus was indicating at this point of time and from here on out it is 'your (speaking to John) Mother' to care for.
If you want to draw importance out of it (and I do) it is the admonition for us as a body to care one for another especially those in true need.
 
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Because Jesus was indicating at this point of time and from here on out it is 'your (speaking to John) Mother' to care for.
If you want to draw importance out of it (and I do) it is the admonition for us as a body to care one for another especially those in true need.
Ok, that is your interpretation and I will not discarded. As for me I will call Her mother because she was Jesus mother. I will love Her because she is a model disciple of the Lord. She was there from beginning to end, She was there the first time He got "lost" [I hope the last one too] and on His first miracle. A loyal servant of the Lord.

On a liter note, here is something that we talk amongst catholics at times:

Can you imagine how St Joseph felt when he realized they did not have Jesus? Remember St. Joseph was placed in charge of taking good care for God's Son, St Joseph was the head of the house.
 
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quickfire said:
Some popes claiming They have the keys to heaven. They are the New st peter.
The Bishop of Rome (Pope) is the successor to St. Peter. The Apostles (St. Peter) designated successors. Hence the apostolic succession from Peter(32-67) to Linus (67-76) to Anacletus (76-88) to Clement I (88-97), and so on. Here is a list of them all, from Peter to Benedict XVI today -> LIST OF POPES - LINK

And our Lord gave the office of Vicar of Christ's true Church first to Peter (the keys to heaven), which is naturally passed on to each successor all the way to today with Pope Benedict XVI.

Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter (rock), and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Mat 16:16-19
(And for those who will predictably give the "Petros vs Petra argument, the language that Christ spoke was not Greek, but rather Aramaic. The word Christ used was Cephas, not petros or petra. Greek uses gender specific nouns, which English does not. So this makes it difficult for most English speaking Christians to understand. When the Greek NT was written, the author used Petros because it was a male version of "rock". Later in Acts we see Peter take his place among the Apostles as their leader, and he leads them as if he were their leader (which he was).
One more thing here, this idea that petros means a stone or a little rock is simply not true. Matthew was well aware of what 'stone' was in the Greek. It was the word lithos which, as you will notice by the ending is masculine. But Matthew does not use lithos even though he uses it ten other places in his gospel. He uses petra/ petros. As for 'little rock', if you want to find little rock then forget the Bible; you have to go to Arkansas.)

Geo the Main reason you say is the titles They gave to them selfs
Peter was the first "Pope", followed by his designated successors. Mind you that the earliest recorded use of the title "pope" as we know it today in English dates to the mid-10th century, when it was used in reference to Pope Vitalin in an Old English translation of Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People. So no, it is not a title they (as you say) "gave to them selfs".
The title was from the early 3rd century a general term used to refer to all bishops. From the 6th century the title began to be used particularly of the Bishop of Rome, and in the late 11th century Pope Gregory VII issued a declaration that has been widely interpreted as stating this by then established Western convention.


And popes proclaiming to be the vicar of jesus.
By definition a vicar is a representative, or deputy; anyone acting "in the person of" or agent for a superior. So yes, Peter and his successors are indeed vicar's of Christ, by Christ's own institution of the office. (See Matthew 16:16-19 posted a few lines above.)

I'm looking and you also have a few others like communion ...
There are some other too like what day easter fall's on and christmas.
Communion is plainly taught by our Lord, and we are firmly instructed by Him to follow his instructions on this matter. Although Protestants conveniently skip over these absolutely essential teachings of our Lord unfortunately, or erroneously say that Christ was simply speaking in parable in John 6, or erroneously say that Christ is not truly present in what appears as bread and wine at the Last Supper when Christ took bread and said, “Take, eat; this IS my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you; for this IS my blood." And tells us "DO THIS in remembrance of me."
In John 6 where our Lord tells us, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."

Paul also instructs us about receiving communion properly when he see's that there are abuses by those doing it improperly in the early Church.

"For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This IS my body which is for you. DO THIS in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup IS the new covenant in my blood. DO THIS, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes."

And then Paul speaks about the abuse of consuming the body and blood of Christ while in a state of mortal sin (thereby profaning the body and blood of the Lord)...

Abuses at the Lord's Supper-
"Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.
For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ (i.e. understanding that it is truly the body and blood of Christ) eat and drink judgment on themselves."
1 Cor 11:23-29

Geo Do you not feal that something is not right here.
Yes, when I see so many Christians today ignoring Christ in what he clearly instructed us to do.

And each pope claiming that this was the right traditional way.?
You are being very vague. What do you mean, specifically?

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Would it not be better just to go of scripture than tradition.
Is Scripture truly the sole rule of faith for Christians? Not according to the Bible. While we must guard against merely human tradition, the Bible contains numerous references to the necessity of clinging to apostolic tradition. Thus Paul tells the Corinthians, "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2), and he commands the Thessalonians, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15). He even goes so far as to order, "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us" (2 Thess. 3:6).
To make sure that the apostolic tradition would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy, "What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). In this passage he refers to the first four generations of apostolic succession—his own generation, Timothy’s generation, the generation Timothy will teach, and the generation they in turn will teach.
The early Church Fathers, who were links in that chain of succession, recognized the necessity of the traditions that had been handed down from the apostles and guarded them scrupulously.


As far as your other misconception about the days in which Roman Catholics celebrate Christmas and Easter, well, Catholics celebrate Christmas and Easter the same days as everyone else, so I am not sure what you are trying to get at there.
 
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