Holy Flesh Is Surely Possible

[Ariel82]

Dead flesh is also important if we want to have the same mind of Christ.

The dead do exist, and dead spirits do exist. If we use the idea of dead works, then flesh with dead works is alive flesh. Alive spirits with alive works is dead flesh (even though it's moving around and what not. Well, hopefully I am communicating what I understand.

its like you are reinventing the English language....

dead is used in different ways.

Dead as in physically dead or "sleeping" as Jesus said Lazarus and the little girl was.

Dead as in deceived and blind
Dead as in dead works as in doing anything with out faith in God

flesh with dead works is dead flesh not alive flesh. it is flesh/ a person who will be thrown in the eternal fire because it lacks faith in God.

alive flesh with alive spirit is ALIVE not dead.

you're statements are illogical.

its like saying. if you mix white with white you will get red.

 

[Ariel82]

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

yep and the Church sure does eat alot of fish and gets poked in the side and pierced hand by doubting Thomas to show that JESUS has a BODY and not just a Spirit.

[h=3]John 20:26-28[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said,

 

[Ariel82]

why doesn't it post the whole verses?

[h=3]John 20:26-28[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” [SUP]27 [/SUP]Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

 

[BarlyGurl]

Jesus does not LIVE in our hearts... Rom. 8:34 but is at the right hand of the father making intercession for us.
To ABIDE in him means to dwell or live in... Be hidden in Christ... who is the ONCE AND FOR ALL SACRIFICE.
We are GIVEN the Holy Spirit who dwells in our hearts... which is the NEW HEART vs THE CARNAL heart we had before being born again. This "teaching" Jon brings is Metaphysical Mysticism... AKA BABBLE... IT is HERESY. I am a citizen of Heaven, but i do not RESIDE there... I reside on EARTH to do the good works of God as led by the Holy Spirit. We know our brethren by their FRUIT which is the WORKS of the Spirit...YOUR WORKS JON DO NOT LINE UP WITH the TRUTH REVEALED IN SCRIPTURE.

 

[zone]

why doesn't it post the whole verses?

ariel....try pasting what you want; then return; then three dots : ... ; then a return. it's worked for me so far.

like this :

Hi ariel how are you this is a test.
...

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(do not ask why.lol...a pinch of salt over the shoulder may work just as well)
actually a friend at another forum told me to...again...dunno why

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

I'm born again. I'm not alive flesh anymore like when I was born according to the perspective of the flesh. I'm dead flesh, alive spirit; not dead spirit, alive flesh.

My hand is dead to me, it's Gods property, it's His flesh and His bones, which are under the power of God. Is it so hard to understand that when Christ rose from the dead (and was walking around), His flesh was dead? If Christ has dead flesh now (hopefully we can atleast see that), then God has always had dead flesh because of the fact that before it appeared and we saw it with eyes of flesh, God had it all, every word, every work, every promise, etc.

He proved it for our eyes to see at the cross, and now we forever see that dead flesh is a great gift of God, and only possible with God. I wonder how big the list would be of benefits to spirits around the world if we were to unite in being the dead flesh/alive spirits by measure of God. We are the temple of the Holy Ghost. The physical/natural building we refer to as the temple had dead things (like rock, gold, etc.) but was holy. If there was leprosy in dead things (like cloth or buildings), then those dead things were not dead anymore. I suppose I could go into all the schoolmaster stuff of the Old Testament to show the connection between dead and holy concerning the flesh, but I don't think I need to.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Jesus IS NOT DEAD.... HE LIVES!!!!!!

 

[Jon4TheCross]

its like you are reinventing the English language....

dead is used in different ways.

Dead as in physically dead or "sleeping" as Jesus said Lazarus and the little girl was.

Dead as in deceived and blind
Dead as in dead works as in doing anything with out faith in God

flesh with dead works is dead flesh not alive flesh. it is flesh/ a person who will be thrown in the eternal fire because it lacks faith in God.

alive flesh with alive spirit is ALIVE not dead.

you're statements are illogical.

its like saying. if you mix white with white you will get red.

I don't understand why it's so hard to understand what I am communicating. You honestly don't understand what I (not you) mean by dead flesh. They are just words being used to represent an idea that I have been trying to explain. Leprosy in dead things makes them alive. No leprosy in the dead stones and gold and materials to build the temple means the temple is holy, even though it individual building materials are dead. Is the temple of God alive to you or in you? Or is God alive in the dead materials called the temple of God?
1Co_2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
I'm not reinventing the English language at all, just trying to communicate with words that have so many different meanings. This is why I have explained what I mean by dead flesh. You will not find any contradictions in the Bible. Dead things (according to the flesh) can be made holy.

 

[BarlyGurl]

My hand is dead to me, it's Gods property, it's His flesh and His bones, which are under the power of God. Is it so hard to understand that when Christ rose from the dead (and was walking around), His flesh was dead? If Christ has dead flesh now (hopefully we can atleast see that), then God has always had dead flesh because of the fact that before it appeared and we saw it with eyes of flesh, God had it all, every word, every work, every promise, etc.

CHRIST IS RESURECTED... NOT DEAD...HE LIVES. DEAD FLESH IS UNCLEAN

He proved it for our eyes to see at the cross, and now we forever see that dead flesh is a great gift of God, and only possible with God. I wonder how big the list would be of benefits to spirits around the world if we were to unite in being the dead flesh/alive spirits by measure of God. We are the temple of the Holy Ghost. The physical/natural building we refer to as the temple had dead things (like rock, gold, etc.) but was holy. If there was leprosy in dead things (like cloth or buildings), then those dead things were not dead anymore. I suppose I could go into all the schoolmaster stuff of the Old Testament to show the connection between dead and holy concerning the flesh, but I don't think I need to.[/QUOTE]

Please do... clarify...go ahead... tell us more

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Jesus IS NOT DEAD.... HE LIVES!!!!!!

Jesus is not flesh, He is a spirit, and more than just a spirit.

Col 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

I'm born again. I'm not alive flesh anymore like when I was born according to the perspective of the flesh. I'm dead flesh, alive spirit; not dead spirit, alive flesh.

What is so unclear in this statement?

 

[Jon4TheCross]

When you mix flesh and spirit, and live with both alive, that makes a person lukewarm.

 

[BarlyGurl]

I'm born again. I'm not alive flesh anymore like when I was born according to the perspective of the flesh. I'm dead flesh, alive spirit; not dead spirit, alive flesh.

What is so unclear in this statement?

Please then... walk about crying out "UNCLEAN UNCLEAN"

 

[Tintin]

Jon, we've been created with a body and soul/spirit, not just a soul/spirit. In heaven we will have a body and soul/spirit - the Bible mentions this much (and more). Our body and soul/spirit will be fully renewed in Christ but we'll still have them.

 

[Ariel82]

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

I'm born again. I'm not alive flesh anymore like when I was born according to the perspective of the flesh. I'm dead flesh, alive spirit; not dead spirit, alive flesh.

you see if you stopped here I would kind of understand where you are coming from but then you continue and the train becomes completely derailed....

My hand is dead to me, it's Gods property, it's His flesh and His bones, which are under the power of God. Is it so hard to understand that when Christ rose from the dead (and was walking around), His flesh was dead?

yes because its a LIE. When Jesus was resurrected His Flesh was NOT dead. He was given a NEW Body, just like born again believers (alive or asleep/dead) will be given a NEW body in a blink of an eye.

If Christ has dead flesh now (hopefully we can atleast see that), then God has always had dead flesh because of the fact that before it appeared and we saw it with eyes of flesh, God had it all, every word, every work, every promise, etc.

see its based upon lies so the statements are untrue. God did not always have "dead flesh" as you call it.

[quote]He proved it for our eyes to see at the cross, and now we forever see that dead flesh is a great gift of God, and only possible with God. I wonder how big the list would be of benefits to spirits around the world if we were to unite in being the dead flesh/alive spirits by measure of God. We are the temple of the Holy Ghost. The physical/natural building we refer to as the temple had dead things (like rock, gold, etc.) but was holy. If there was leprosy in dead things (like cloth or buildings), then those dead things were not dead anymore. [/quote] ummm I could go biology teacher on you about the whole how leprosy is a virus and can't infect stone or cloth, but.....

I suppose I could go into all the schoolmaster stuff of the Old Testament to show the connection between dead and holy concerning the flesh, but I don't think I need to.

I don't think you are qualifed to go "into all the schoolmaster stuff of the OT" but i'm sure someone might find it interesting.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Jon, we've been created with a body and soul/spirit, not just a soul/spirit. In heaven we will have a body and soul/spirit - the Bible mentions this much (and more). Our body and soul/spirit will be fully renewed in Christ but we'll still have them.

I totally agree, and dead does not mean non existant. Our body is a dwelling place for God. Just as the materials of the temple are dead, so are our bodies. It's the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing, absolutely nothing. I believe that just as our earthen vessels are made of this earth now, they will be made of the new earth then. Either way you look at it, if the flesh doesn't motivate, and can't motivate, then it's just a dead shell/dwelling place. Does anyone know of any dwelling places that are alive?

 

[Jon4TheCross]

you see if you stopped here I would kind of understand where you are coming from but then you continue and the train becomes completely derailed....

yes because its a LIE. When Jesus was resurrected His Flesh was NOT dead. He was given a NEW Body, just like born again believers (alive or asleep/dead) will be given a NEW body in a blink of an eye.

see its based upon lies so the statements are untrue. God did not always have "dead flesh" as you call it.

[quote]He proved it for our eyes to see at the cross, and now we forever see that dead flesh is a great gift of God, and only possible with God. I wonder how big the list would be of benefits to spirits around the world if we were to unite in being the dead flesh/alive spirits by measure of God. We are the temple of the Holy Ghost. The physical/natural building we refer to as the temple had dead things (like rock, gold, etc.) but was holy. If there was leprosy in dead things (like cloth or buildings), then those dead things were not dead anymore.

ummm I could go biology teacher on you about the whole how leprosy is a virus and can't infect stone or cloth, but.....


I don't think you are qualifed to go "into all the schoolmaster stuff of the OT" but i'm sure someone might find it interesting.[/QUOTE]

Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Lev_13:49 And if the plague be greenish or reddish in the garment, or in the skin, either in the warp, or in the woof, or in any thing of skin; it is a plague of leprosy, and shall be shewed unto the priest:
Lev_14:37 And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;

 

[Ariel82]

I totally agree, and dead does not mean non existant. Our body is a dwelling place for God. Just as the materials of the temple are dead, so are our bodies. It's the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing, absolutely nothing. I believe that just as our earthen vessels are made of this earth now, they will be made of the new earth then. Either way you look at it, if the flesh doesn't motivate, and can't motivate, then it's just a dead shell/dwelling place. Does anyone know of any dwelling places that are alive?

with that logic your flesh has always been dead even before you were born again because "it's just a dead shell/ dwelling place. Does anyone know of any dwelling places that are live?"

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Perhaps it's best to just do the faith of a child test (it's just a part of the faith of a child, and can be very rewarding).

The question is: What are you? Who are you? What is your ultimate goal?

For every one of those questions there is an answer you will give. To that answer, ask why? Answer the why, then keep going with why? Eventually you will find the root of why you answer the way you do. If the root has no Biblical support (like many of the answers/opinions posted) then you better find an answer that does.