Holy Flesh Is Surely Possible
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THis is getting tiresome... The OLD MAN is DEAD... we are a new man... HIDDEN IN CHRIST... our lives are resurrected as HOLY and set apart to do the works of God.Our hearts have been circumsized, our spirits have been made alive which were formerly DEAD or (at emnity with God)...hidden in Christ means we are born again=OUR SPIRIT HAS BEEN BORN. We are no longer at emnity with God as CHrist is our ultimate sactifice to make us righteous before God... no more blood of bulls and goats. Our biological bodies are dying daily... we will recieve new bodies at the time of the establishment of the KINGDOM of Heaven on earth... which is the NEW EARTH... which has yet to come
When a child is born (according to the flesh/alive flesh), it does something, motivated by the flesh, because we/not God are born with alive flesh. There are different and accurate definitions of the word flesh, but I am partly referring to the natural ability for your body to be motivated to do something based on the love for me/I. That is really only a part of the definition of flesh/alive flesh though. When God was born in an uncorruptible earthen vessel (dead flesh), the flesh never motivated God, and could never poison any part of God. God ate with us for our sakes, He didn't have to eat to live. God was baptized in our midst for our sakes, not because He needed to be baptized for Him to live. Every movement and word He spoke was specifically that way for a reason. He never contradicted Himself in any way, but from perspectives formed without God there is contradictions.
Perhaps I should be using a different set of words to call this explanation, but dead flesh is the opposite of alive flesh, I guess it just depends on if somebody really thinks that these bodies are all we got? The flesh exists for all eternity, it is the earthen vessel that is motivated by a spirit/soul combo. If this earthen vessel motivated by a spirit/soul combo is only motivated by the Holy Spirit without measure, then we are a holy spirit by measure. We (spirits) have earthen vessels, individual members, all part of one single body and family. We call the stuff the bodies are made of now: earth/dust/ground. We have motivated free-will only (the soul), we do not exist without a motivator. God the Father is a motivator, God is also motivated (but that's a whole different threads worth lol), and with God there is no motivation from the flesh, and I call this dead flesh, because it's the opposite of living/alive/able to be poisoned/able to motivate/etc. (this is why God cannot be tempted with evil, because the flesh has to be alive in order for the flesh to be affected by the temptor). This is also why evil does not come from God, but yet it does when you consider that God allows alive flesh to exist because of motivated free-will. The flesh was always dead, until somebody put it on and was brought under the power of it. You cannot be brought under the power of flesh if it is dead, because dead flesh has no power. You can only be brought under the power of alive flesh. I believe all will have dead flesh at some point, and at that point you can exist in the Kingdom of Heaven/God, because at that point you are only under the power of God. If you are dead to the flesh (according to the perspective of the flesh, you=dead) then the flesh is dead to you (according to the perspective of The Spirit of God, you=alive). If I am dead, the perspective is the flesh. If I'm alive, then I'm talking from the spirit perspective. I hope this is easier to understand. We'll see. I figure I can give all the scripture I want, but until you understand the perspectives, you probably won't get it.
Perhaps I should be using a different set of words to call this explanation, but dead flesh is the opposite of alive flesh, I guess it just depends on if somebody really thinks that these bodies are all we got? The flesh exists for all eternity, it is the earthen vessel that is motivated by a spirit/soul combo. If this earthen vessel motivated by a spirit/soul combo is only motivated by the Holy Spirit without measure, then we are a holy spirit by measure. We (spirits) have earthen vessels, individual members, all part of one single body and family. We call the stuff the bodies are made of now: earth/dust/ground. We have motivated free-will only (the soul), we do not exist without a motivator. God the Father is a motivator, God is also motivated (but that's a whole different threads worth lol), and with God there is no motivation from the flesh, and I call this dead flesh, because it's the opposite of living/alive/able to be poisoned/able to motivate/etc. (this is why God cannot be tempted with evil, because the flesh has to be alive in order for the flesh to be affected by the temptor). This is also why evil does not come from God, but yet it does when you consider that God allows alive flesh to exist because of motivated free-will. The flesh was always dead, until somebody put it on and was brought under the power of it. You cannot be brought under the power of flesh if it is dead, because dead flesh has no power. You can only be brought under the power of alive flesh. I believe all will have dead flesh at some point, and at that point you can exist in the Kingdom of Heaven/God, because at that point you are only under the power of God. If you are dead to the flesh (according to the perspective of the flesh, you=dead) then the flesh is dead to you (according to the perspective of The Spirit of God, you=alive). If I am dead, the perspective is the flesh. If I'm alive, then I'm talking from the spirit perspective. I hope this is easier to understand. We'll see. I figure I can give all the scripture I want, but until you understand the perspectives, you probably won't get it.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
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Our soul is in us ... Tje place where we open the door and invite Jesus in as lord and master in our lives ... He takes residence in us here...,as our relationship with him developed ... Who Jesus is, is lived out through our lives more and more.... We give up doing all the things we want by "willingly" surrendering our life to the life Jesus Christ lives... His spirit is what comes to live in us.and becomes alive in us.... With that said in connection to the statement made ( I am from heaven too). Implies that Jesus "who is from heaven now lives within us is a truthful statement ) not only is it true but looking at it from
Also: since we are made by the very hands if God .. Who is our heavenly Father , constitutes we are allfrom heaven ... Because we are all made by God... problem is we all dont know this ... Does this paint a little clearer picture in understanding The statement? Maybe ?
Peace in Christ
Michelle
Our soul is in us ... Tje place where we open the door and invite Jesus in as lord and master in our lives ... He takes residence in us here...,as our relationship with him developed ... Who Jesus is, is lived out through our lives more and more.... We give up doing all the things we want by "willingly" surrendering our life to the life Jesus Christ lives... His spirit is what comes to live in us.and becomes alive in us.... With that said in connection to the statement made ( I am from heaven too). Implies that Jesus "who is from heaven now lives within us is a truthful statement ) not only is it true but looking at it from
Also: since we are made by the very hands if God .. Who is our heavenly Father , constitutes we are allfrom heaven ... Because we are all made by God... problem is we all dont know this ... Does this paint a little clearer picture in understanding The statement? Maybe ?
Peace in Christ
Michelle
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The purpose of this is that once we can accept that our flesh can be dead, we (spirits) can be alive, and we can truly be under the power of God alone, then we can answer the question (from the right heart and perspective):What does dead flesh look like?
The answer is firstly Jesus. We are weak when we are not united, and so we are given the example of constant cooperation and communication with united efforts to prioritize God at all costs, even if it means the death/destruction of the earthen vessel, and especially the death of the motivation of the flesh.
Here is where I find what dead flesh looks like (The Body of Christ). We (The Body of Christ) are alive, because we are not flesh but we are spirits.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
The answer is firstly Jesus. We are weak when we are not united, and so we are given the example of constant cooperation and communication with united efforts to prioritize God at all costs, even if it means the death/destruction of the earthen vessel, and especially the death of the motivation of the flesh.
Here is where I find what dead flesh looks like (The Body of Christ). We (The Body of Christ) are alive, because we are not flesh but we are spirits.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
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I understand where you're coming from Michelle but I'm not convinced that is what Jon means especially because that was not his answer at all.
Hebrew 11 is about the promise of a Heavenly Kingdom. it does not say that WE are from Heaven and it does not say that God had an Earthly body in reserve in Heaven before Jesus was born.
actually there are quite a few verses that show how SPECIAL JESUS is to be coming down from Heaven and how no one else can say the same.
John 3:13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
Hebrew 11 is about the promise of a Heavenly Kingdom. it does not say that WE are from Heaven and it does not say that God had an Earthly body in reserve in Heaven before Jesus was born.
actually there are quite a few verses that show how SPECIAL JESUS is to be coming down from Heaven and how no one else can say the same.
John 3:13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
that's not working for you.
try just answering normally.
you don't sound spiritual. you sound troubled.
do try to get yourself together.
you're not "under the power of God".
you're not impressing anyone.
if i pinch you really hard your dead flesh will send a signal to your brain and tell you it hurts.
stop blaspheming Christ's illustration of Himself as The Bread which came down from Heaven.
please study the children receiving manna from heaven in the wilderness.
please smarten up and have rational discussions.
can you do that please jon4?
try just answering normally.
you don't sound spiritual. you sound troubled.
do try to get yourself together.
you're not "under the power of God".
you're not impressing anyone.
if i pinch you really hard your dead flesh will send a signal to your brain and tell you it hurts.
stop blaspheming Christ's illustration of Himself as The Bread which came down from Heaven.
please study the children receiving manna from heaven in the wilderness.
please smarten up and have rational discussions.
can you do that please jon4?
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Dead flesh is also important if we want to have the same mind of Christ.
Rom_15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co_13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Php_1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Php_2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Rom_12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
1Pe_4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
The dead do exist, and dead spirits do exist. If we use the idea of dead works, then flesh with dead works is alive flesh. Alive spirits with alive works is dead flesh (even though it's moving around and what not. Well, hopefully I am communicating what I understand.
Rom_15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co_13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Php_1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Php_2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Rom_12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
1Pe_4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
The dead do exist, and dead spirits do exist. If we use the idea of dead works, then flesh with dead works is alive flesh. Alive spirits with alive works is dead flesh (even though it's moving around and what not. Well, hopefully I am communicating what I understand.
I am a holy spirit by measure, not The Holy Spirit without measure. In order to be a holy spirit by measure, I had to come from God. God is from Heaven, and so am I. Do you not understand what it means to be born again?
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
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the whole concept is strange because JESUS made a point to show that He was NOT just a spirit.
I find it strange since you even posted the verses that reveal that JESUS HAD a REAL body.
Jon you mix verses about the PHYSICAL bodies and the SPiritual body without making any distinction. change the meaning of words when it suits you needs and just causes more confusion then revealing wisdom.
"for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
we are guided by the Holy SPirit. We put to death the sinful lusts of our flesh. but WE have flesh and bone. we are NOT just spirit. we are so much more.
I find it strange since you even posted the verses that reveal that JESUS HAD a REAL body.
Jon you mix verses about the PHYSICAL bodies and the SPiritual body without making any distinction. change the meaning of words when it suits you needs and just causes more confusion then revealing wisdom.
"for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
we are guided by the Holy SPirit. We put to death the sinful lusts of our flesh. but WE have flesh and bone. we are NOT just spirit. we are so much more.