Holy Flesh Is Surely Possible
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jon4.
your [dead] body has a live muscle in it called a heart.
that heart is actually pumping blood through your veins.
the blood is carrying oxygen to your whole [dead] body.
your [dead] body has lungs, which are acting as bellows taking in oxygen and exhaling C02.
you [dead] body has limbs which flex and move; and hands with flexible digits called fingers.
your [dead] body has an organ called a brain.
the brain is processing information, and sending signals to your [dead] body and vice versa.
your brain wants to pick up and study the bible.
how do you make your [dead] body do it?
is Jesus inside you doing it all?
where did jon4 go when Jesus moved in?
should i be calling you lord?
like purleeze.
if you expect to be taken seriously, lay off the mystic stuff and use ordinary language to communicate with others.
God deigned to speak to us in His Word, and He is God yet He made it possible for me to understand what He is saying.
am i to believe He has taken up residence in you and is now speaking incoherently?
peter said paul's words were difficult for some.
like....get the idea?
your [dead] body has a live muscle in it called a heart.
that heart is actually pumping blood through your veins.
the blood is carrying oxygen to your whole [dead] body.
your [dead] body has lungs, which are acting as bellows taking in oxygen and exhaling C02.
you [dead] body has limbs which flex and move; and hands with flexible digits called fingers.
your [dead] body has an organ called a brain.
the brain is processing information, and sending signals to your [dead] body and vice versa.
your brain wants to pick up and study the bible.
how do you make your [dead] body do it?
is Jesus inside you doing it all?
where did jon4 go when Jesus moved in?
should i be calling you lord?
like purleeze.
if you expect to be taken seriously, lay off the mystic stuff and use ordinary language to communicate with others.
God deigned to speak to us in His Word, and He is God yet He made it possible for me to understand what He is saying.
am i to believe He has taken up residence in you and is now speaking incoherently?
peter said paul's words were difficult for some.
like....get the idea?
When I was born again, I (a spirit) had never had alive flesh. When I was born according to the flesh, the dead spirit had alive flesh (infection/poison/living mutations/etc.). I was poisoned from birth, as is anyone living according to the flesh. There is an alive dwelling place, but I didn't think it was good to get into that right now, but since it's going this way...
The soul is also a dwelling place, and if the soul is motivated by God always, then the soul is never defiled. I could get into the temple and all that, and the holiest of all, but the point is that the outer man (flesh) is not what powers the everlasting priesthood, it's dead, just like the materials used in making the temple according to the flesh. If we deem it alive, then it has infection/poison/corruption/and possibly lukewarm if you try to have alive flesh and spirit. This is an identity crisis, and it seems many do not even know who they really are, or where they're from.
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ok why not jump from chapter 13 to 14....
Chapter 13 goes back and forth with the person being clean or unclean, which really means if the guy is infectious or not.
I wonder if anyone has done a scientific study on if those symptoms really do tell you when a person can spread leprosy or not.
for example: raw flesh = unclean, scabbed over and white = clean
Leviticus 13
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the priest shall examine the raw flesh and pronounce him to be unclean; for the raw flesh is unclean. It is leprosy. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Or if the raw flesh changes and turns white again, he shall come to the priest. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the priest shall examine him; and indeed if the sore has turned white, then the priest shall pronounce him clean who has the sore. He is clean.
then it goes on to talk about boils and various degrees of burns.. mostly people are labeled having "leprosy" if they have an infection that has spread beyond the initial infection site.
Kind of impressive how they knew that clothes could be a vehicle for disease transmission without understanding the microscopic world of bacteria and viruses.
makes sense to burn the garment if the stain spreads or does not fade with washing. you have to remember they don't have as much stuff as we do today and it takes time and energy to make clothes and build buildings so if they can save it they will but if its unclean and most likely infect and make others sick then it should be burn. makes sense.
Chapter 13 goes back and forth with the person being clean or unclean, which really means if the guy is infectious or not.
I wonder if anyone has done a scientific study on if those symptoms really do tell you when a person can spread leprosy or not.
for example: raw flesh = unclean, scabbed over and white = clean
Leviticus 13
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the priest shall examine the raw flesh and pronounce him to be unclean; for the raw flesh is unclean. It is leprosy. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Or if the raw flesh changes and turns white again, he shall come to the priest. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the priest shall examine him; and indeed if the sore has turned white, then the priest shall pronounce him clean who has the sore. He is clean.
then it goes on to talk about boils and various degrees of burns.. mostly people are labeled having "leprosy" if they have an infection that has spread beyond the initial infection site.
Kind of impressive how they knew that clothes could be a vehicle for disease transmission without understanding the microscopic world of bacteria and viruses.
makes sense to burn the garment if the stain spreads or does not fade with washing. you have to remember they don't have as much stuff as we do today and it takes time and energy to make clothes and build buildings so if they can save it they will but if its unclean and most likely infect and make others sick then it should be burn. makes sense.
I will not deny that I am trying desperately to encourge anyone I can to live according to the Spirit. I would have to define that though. I drank out of a flavorful stream for 40 days and never got sick, did the stream do that, or God? That is an example of living according to the Spirit, and not letting my flesh help me decide what to do next.
Nobody has really answered my questions, and definitely not with scripture.
Schoolmaster stuff: Old Testament: Circumcision of the flesh (from the perspective of the flesh/worldly perspective)= alive flesh being cut off a mans body part and the flesh dying.
Non schoolmaster stuff: New Testament: Circumcision of the flesh (from the perspective of the Spirit of God)=alive flesh being cut off a heart (man or woman, no difference) and the flesh dying.
I'm sorry, don't know what gnosticism is, and don't care either. You can call me as many names as you want, but I actually have scriptural basis for everything I say, and without contradiction. I realize that speaking according to the spirit is not something that very many are used to doing, and that's another reason why I've been over emphasizing some stuff, just like Jesus did when he walked on water (cause that wasn't motivated by the flesh either, cause it was dead).
that's about SIN.
stop presenting your bodies to DO SIN, and start presenting them to God for service and to do His will.
and that is about corruptible bodies.
you're still in a corruptible body
and unless you experienced your conversion today at 7pm EST, you're more than an hour old.
[or are going all pre-existencey on us?]
your profile says you are 31 - THAT'S HOW OLD YOU ARE, OKAY?
though you're acting 5.
stop messing around - there are new christians and all kinds of people here.
if you want to talk about being a new man in Christ and stopping the things you used to do and now doing what is right according to God - GREAT.
if you think you can use existentialism to explain the new birth, forget it.
bye (again).
stop presenting your bodies to DO SIN, and start presenting them to God for service and to do His will.
and that is about corruptible bodies.
you're still in a corruptible body
and unless you experienced your conversion today at 7pm EST, you're more than an hour old.
[or are going all pre-existencey on us?]
your profile says you are 31 - THAT'S HOW OLD YOU ARE, OKAY?
though you're acting 5.
stop messing around - there are new christians and all kinds of people here.
if you want to talk about being a new man in Christ and stopping the things you used to do and now doing what is right according to God - GREAT.
if you think you can use existentialism to explain the new birth, forget it.
bye (again).
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interesting you skipped the whole sin offering by the priest in Chapter 14 and went straight to the "leprosy of the house" thing. we today would call it mold in the walls...
not sure what those scriptures have to do with the discussion but it was an interesting two chapters to reread...
summary of Lev 13 & 14:
[SUP]54 [/SUP]“This is the law for any leprous sore and scale, [SUP]55 [/SUP]for the leprosy of a garment and of a house, [SUP]56 [/SUP]for a swelling and a scab and a bright spot, [SUP]57 [/SUP]to teach when it is unclean and when it is clean. This is the law of leprosy.”
not sure what those scriptures have to do with the discussion but it was an interesting two chapters to reread...
summary of Lev 13 & 14:
[SUP]54 [/SUP]“This is the law for any leprous sore and scale, [SUP]55 [/SUP]for the leprosy of a garment and of a house, [SUP]56 [/SUP]for a swelling and a scab and a bright spot, [SUP]57 [/SUP]to teach when it is unclean and when it is clean. This is the law of leprosy.”
[h=1]gnosticism
the thought and practice especially of various cults of late pre-Christian and early Christian centuries distinguished by the conviction that matter is evil and that emancipation comes through gnosis[/h]
gnosis
esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation
Mirriam-Webster definitions
the thought and practice especially of various cults of late pre-Christian and early Christian centuries distinguished by the conviction that matter is evil and that emancipation comes through gnosis[/h]
gnosis
esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation
Mirriam-Webster definitions
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no that's not. now if you spent months in a third world country feeding orphans both physically and spiritually, that would be an example of living according to the Spirit.
??? which questions? the child faith test? well first of all most kids wouldn't answer with scripture they would just say "I'm a child of God" but i love the Bible so I'll post the verses anyway...
Romans 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
more mumbling.... you see the only dead flesh is the stuff no longer attached to the man. the NT circumcision is totally not a PHYSICAL thing but a SPIRITUAL thing. the OT was a SHADOW, but why am I even trying to have a rational conversation with you?
??? which questions? the child faith test? well first of all most kids wouldn't answer with scripture they would just say "I'm a child of God" but i love the Bible so I'll post the verses anyway...
Romans 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
more mumbling.... you see the only dead flesh is the stuff no longer attached to the man. the NT circumcision is totally not a PHYSICAL thing but a SPIRITUAL thing. the OT was a SHADOW, but why am I even trying to have a rational conversation with you?
oh i know.
it must be so frustrating to be such a spiritual man among the carnal.
only problem is, God NEVER used language the way you do, and you are running ahead with your mystical intepretations of the ideas HE GAVE US.
christians understand each other because they speak according to God's Word, according to the Holy Spirit's illumination of their minds in accordance with the Word of God. not the musings of philosopher jon4.
there's a warning jon4.
you better pay heed.
2 John 1:9
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
you're not Jesus. don't presume to "overemphasize" anything.
so you drank good water for 40 days and didn't die.
if you didn't eat you lost a lot of weight.
40 days huh?
are you Jesus?
it must be so frustrating to be such a spiritual man among the carnal.
only problem is, God NEVER used language the way you do, and you are running ahead with your mystical intepretations of the ideas HE GAVE US.
christians understand each other because they speak according to God's Word, according to the Holy Spirit's illumination of their minds in accordance with the Word of God. not the musings of philosopher jon4.
there's a warning jon4.
you better pay heed.
2 John 1:9
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
you're not Jesus. don't presume to "overemphasize" anything.
so you drank good water for 40 days and didn't die.
if you didn't eat you lost a lot of weight.
40 days huh?
are you Jesus?
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Every commandment Jesus gave is important:
Mat_28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
In regards to my age: Adam died over 900 years old, but God said it was less than a day. Which perspective do you consider to be eternal?
Mat_28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
In regards to my age: Adam died over 900 years old, but God said it was less than a day. Which perspective do you consider to be eternal?