The Trinity

[mark54]

Likewise, the OT plainly states there is only one God.

And you cannot give me one plain verse of Scriptural that opposes that.

You are employing a double standard here.

Do you have difficulty following this?


Is Jesus God?

When you cease to require of me what you do not require of yourself (a plain verse),
we will be able to go forward.

So once again you cannot respond to the question, despite the fact I have responded to yours. You only seem able to deflect away from it.

I am bewildered you seem unable to even give an opinion as to whether you believe Christ dwells in Heaven now in a body of flesh and blood. What does your above post say in relation to you voicing your personal opinion on a subject?

I am afraid it is simply pure deflection. So according to your logic, if scripture plainly states something, we cannot rely on it as being the truth even if it is not opoposed
As to what you have written

If scripture plainly stated

Christ is not God Himself, and there was none to plainly state he is, we have definitive proof acording to scripture.
Likewise we do have scripture that plainly states flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but none that states otherwise
However, rather than face this obviouis truth, you are left with having to constantly deflect away from the simple question put to you
It is sad to see, so I guess I will leave you with your evasion, nothing to be gained when this is all you can do.
However, such evasion shows plainly the weakness of your position, and lack of confidence in your convictions

 

[JLHillsSr]

Jesus of Nazareth was two people?

Not in my Bible!

After the Resurrection.

Mat 26:38 KJV - Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
Mat 26:39 KJV - And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].

Here, it is being ask that the cup, (Body), pass from him.

Mat 26:40 KJV - And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
Mat 26:41 KJV - Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak.
Mat 26:42 KJV - He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.


Now he prays that the Body not pass from him.

Two different prayers. Two different requests. ​Two different entities.

 

[JLHillsSr]

That's pretty much where non-recognition ends up.

Did you mean "non-recognition" above?

Yes. My apologies.

 

[JLHillsSr]

The NT reports no anointing of Jesus with oil while he was alive.

So it does not relate to him being the Messiah.

You mean his dead body, right?

1Sa 16:12 KJV - And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he.
1Sa 16:13 KJV - Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

David represents the Body.

Luk 1:35 KJV - And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Hbr 10:5 KJV - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

This Jehovah's prayer to the Father.

Mat 1:20 KJV - But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Jhn 1:15 KJV - John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John the Baptist was born six months, (Luke 1:36), before the Body, (He that cometh after me). Jehovah is the one before him.

Jhn 1:29 KJV - The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jhn 1:30 KJV - This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jhn 1:31 KJV - And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

The Lamb is the Body.
John and Jesus were cousins. I can be certain that they should know each other. The one he knew not was Jehovah.

 

[crossnote]

Mark, you make no sense especially you make no sense when you twist what others say beyond recognition. Are you a Jehovah Witness?
You keep asking questions but never answer mine and then go on pontifcating.as if no one is able to answer your ramblings.Sorry this is not how forums are done.

Tell me Crossnote, when Christ rose from the grave on thethird day, do you believe he could have again been crucified on the cross?Could man once again have put Christ to death? If not something had changed, Asyou keep mentioning this time I hope you will respond to the question. Pleaseshow me the scripture that says when Christ ascended into Heaven he did so inthe EXACT image of which the disciples saw him for the last time?
You assume much, but it is simply assumption.
Now, if Christ is fully man and fully God in Heaven, in otherwords you believe he exists now as he did on earth, and he is possessed of abody of flesh and blood, does this mean that death can still hold power overChrist?
When Christ returns could man put him to death again? IfChrist is still fully man in Heaven must that not be the case? A body of fleshand blood is mortal, perishable. The body that is sown
Perishable must be raised imperishable, it is sown a naturalbody but raised spiritual body.
And as we haveborn the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the manfrom Heaven. I declare to you brothers, flesh and blood cannot inherit thekingdom of God(1Cor15:49&50)
So how is the likeness of the man from Heaven different fromthe earthly man? According to you the heavenly man resides in a body of fleshand blood. A body of flesh and blood is mortal, not immortal.

Who,being in very nature[SUP][a][/SUP] God,
did not consider equality with God something to begrasped,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[SUP][b][/SUP] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And being found in appearanceas a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore God exaltedhim to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that at the name ofJesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]and every tongueconfess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father

So is Christ now still made nothing Crossnote? Can he stillbe made obedient unto death? When Christ was in human likeness he could. Onlyto you Christ is fully God and fully man in Heaven residing in a body of fleshand blood as he did when he walked this earth.
Jesus said:
At theresurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven(MATT22:30)
The writerof Hebrews states:
Are notall angels ministering spirits sentto serve those who will receive salvation
Heb1:14

Christreigns now in Heaven and on earth for the Father has put everything under hisfeet. All authority has been given to Christ by the Father, but Christ does notreign in a body of flesh and blood
Now, pleasegive me the scripture that states Christ reigns now in a body of flesh andblood. If you cannot, it is just your personal opinions, based on what otherspreach I assume. Therefore there is nothing further to discuss.

 

[mark54]

Mark, you make no sense especially you make no sense when you twist what others say beyond recognition. Are you a Jehovah Witness?
You keep asking questions but never answer mine and then go on pontifcating.as if no one is able to answer your ramblings.Sorry this is not how forums are done.

I am happy to leave it up to the INDEPENDANT(not baised) observer as to who has and who has not addressed others questions the most.


What is true, is that I have the plain scripture, you have the opinions of those you read up on for knowledge and truth

 

[cfultz3]

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


1Co 15:48-50 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

 

[mark54]

Mark, you make no sense especially you make no sense when you twist what others say beyond recognition. Are you a Jehovah Witness?
You keep asking questions but never answer mine and then go on pontifcating.as if no one is able to answer your ramblings.Sorry this is not how forums are done.

Actually the only point you appeared to continually stress was dealt with in the post you refused to comment on.:

Please show me the scripture that says when Christ ascended into Heaven he did so in the EXACT image of which the disciples saw him for the last time?



But you could not even adress this point. In whatever form/state Christ was when he rose to Heaven, certainly does not mean that is the state/form he was in when he entered Heaven
It is just more of the same, trying to use any man made logic you can to cling to your position rather than accept the plain scripture, as follows:

1Co 15:48-50 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Yet you either have to ignore the above or look to others to interpret it away.

I have plain scripture that states flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
Where is your plain scripture?

Will you respond to my post now, or will you just make more comments as to me distorting your views and do not respond to your questions?
IMO your trouble stems from looking to man rather than accept the plain scripture

BTW
If we will have bodies of flesh and blood in Heaven, will we all be required to give blood every six months in case someone needs a transplant due to an accident?

 

[zone]

So you believe(I take it) that Christ, who reigns now in Heaven and on earth for all things have been put under his feet, does so, in a body of flesh and blood, though the angels are spirit messengers.
Interesting
And you believe this though Paul states clearly that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of Heaven

hi Mark.
could you offer up any science or biology or anything else which proves and explains what The Lord's Resurrected Body was like, and what happened physio-biologically-anyhingee on the Mt of Transfiguration?
because if any of us know that, i'd like to see it.
zone

 

[mark54]

hi Mark.
could you offer up any science or biology or anything else which proves and explains what The Lord's Resurrected Body was like, and what happened physio-biologically-anyhingee on the Mt of Transfiguration?
because if any of us know that, i'd like to see it.
zone

I don't have to do that lol
Scripture plainly states flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God

I'll leave it to others who want to ignore the plain scripture to philosophise, explain away why it is not true

 

[zone]

Actually the only point you appeared to continually stress was dealt with in the post you refused to comment on.:

Please show me the scripture that says when Christ ascended into Heaven he did so in the EXACT image of which the disciples saw him for the last time?



But you could not even adress this point. In whatever form/state Christ was when he rose to Heaven, certainly does not mean that is the state/form he was in when he entered Heaven
It is just more of the same, trying to use any man made logic you can to cling to your position rather than accept the plain scripture, as follows:

1Co 15:48-50 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Yet you either have to ignore the above or look to others to interpret it away.

I have plain scripture that states flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
Where is your plain scripture?

Will you respond to my post now, or will you just make more comments as to me distorting your views and do not respond to your questions?
IMO your trouble stems from looking to man rather than accept the plain scripture

BTW
If we will have bodies of flesh and blood in Heaven, will we all be required to give blood every six months in case someone needs a transplant due to an accident?

take away the blood part for a minute.

can you explain the Incarnation?
no....so why you tryin' ta do the same likewise in the other direction?
what's the hassle?

what happened here?

Summary?
anybody? anybody?

 

[zone]

I don't have to do that lol
Scripture plainly states flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God

I'll leave it to others who want to ignore the plain scripture to philosophise, explain away why it is not true

i didn't get through every post.
but what's with the blood part? why the obsesion with that part?

does God HAVE to include blood in glorified bodies?

 

[mark54]

i didn't get through every post.
but what's with the blood part? why the obsesion with that part?

does God HAVE to include blood in glorified bodies?

1Co 15:48-50 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption

No obsession Zone, I just accept the scripture

 

[zone]

what happened here?

Summary?
anybody? anybody?

mkay...quick scan
Jehovah's Witnesses?

 

[mark54]

mkay...quick scan
Jehovah's Witnesses?

ROFL......

 

[zone]

1Co 15:48-50 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption

No obsession Zone, I just accept the scripture

okay. so do i.
so, Jesus told Thomas His Resurrected Body was flesh and bone.
He didn't say blood.

i can accept that.
then He was on the Mt and was taken up.
Peter saw in HIM HAVING A BODY.

the tomb was empty.
whatever Body He rose with, is presumably the same one He died in, since there was nothing in there - AT ALL.
He walked around and ate and stuff.
then He Ascended.

what's the big deal?
if you can't explain what His Body was like, why the issue?

 

[mark54]

okay. so do i.
so, Jesus told Thomas Hid Resurrected Body was flesh and bone.
he didn't say blood.
i can accept that.
then He was on the Mt and was taken up.
Peter aw in HIM IN A BODY.

the tomb was empty.
whatever Body He rose with, is presukmably the same one He died in, since there was nothing in there - AT ALL.
He walked around and ate and stuff.
then He Ascended.

what's the big deal?

Big deal?
This whole discussion started because I agreed that flesh and blood could not inherit the kingdom of God. That statement was queried.

It is a big deal to me though to accept the plain scriptures

 

[zone]

Big deal?
This whole discussion started because I agreed that flesh and blood could not inherit the kingdom of God. That statement was queried.

It is a big deal to me though to accept the plain scriptures

okay. but i see some ppl trying to say there are not going to be glorified bodies.
that's not what you're saying is it?

 

[zone]

ROFL......

what....i see 2 i think might be.
don't you?

 

[mark54]

okay. but i see some ppl trying to say there are not going to be glorified bodies.
that's not what you're saying is it?

All I have consistently said(to the best of my knowledge) is that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of G0d, and I do not believe Christ dwells in Heaven now in a body of flesh and blood. To the best of my recollection, that's it.
Oh there was a discussion about whether our bodies could be referred to as 'physical bodies' but that to me is a minor issue