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C
I don't get it. Are we calling the Ashkenazi Jews part of the lost tribes of Israel? They hardly even appear to be Jews, and maybe many of them aren't even faintly that, at least genetically. I'm really not arguing any point regarding what prophecy may of may not have been fulfilled by some specified time. I'm just wondering about the definition of a "lost tribe" in this case. However, I think it does an extreme disservice to a Christian site to reply to assertions made by fellow Christians with not only sarcasm, but apparent distain, simply over some disagreement in interpretation of prophecy. It definately shows a lack of love. And without that, what do scriptures say that we that have? Oh yeah. Nothing.
this is a whole lot more than "some disagreement in interpretation of prophecy".
this goes to the very heart of the entire Plan of Redemption.
if we got this wrong, what's left?
2 Corinthians 3:14
“For to this day when they [the Jews] read the Old Covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away”
Hebrews 7:18
“On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness…”
Hebrews 8:7
“For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another”
Hebrews 10:9
“Then he says, ‘Behold, I come to do your will.’ He takes away the first [covenant] to establish the second [covenant]…”
if we fall away into this chasm of infidelity, we are saying Jesus utterly failed:
‘Behold, I come to do your will’
what did Paul say about it? - let him speak...
Galatanns 1
No Other Gospel
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
10For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servantb of Christ.
this goes to the very heart of the entire Plan of Redemption.
if we got this wrong, what's left?
2 Corinthians 3:14
“For to this day when they [the Jews] read the Old Covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away”
Hebrews 7:18
“On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness…”
Hebrews 8:7
“For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another”
Hebrews 10:9
“Then he says, ‘Behold, I come to do your will.’ He takes away the first [covenant] to establish the second [covenant]…”
if we fall away into this chasm of infidelity, we are saying Jesus utterly failed:
‘Behold, I come to do your will’
what did Paul say about it? - let him speak...
Galatanns 1
No Other Gospel
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
10For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servantb of Christ.
There will always be disputing and controversy in order to prove who is of the faith and who is not. In many cases proving what is according to Holy Scripture, the Word of Yeshua, Jesus. If doctrine purported does not fit within the teachings of the Gospel, it cannot be of our Savior, it is nothing and nothing to be feared or revered.
C
I was talking about who is considered a lost tribe of Israel and who is not, which has nothing to do with the plan of redemption. That plan is obviously only about accepting Jesus Christ as Lord. However, even then, being sarcastic to the point of vicious will not win any ground in any area. It's a flat turnoff, in fact.
By your own words, the forum is in need of love in the posts, therefore my advice to you is to overcome the turn off and afford all the love you have been given to share. Love is not always being in agreement with others, sometimes it requires rebuke. I believe most rebukes here really are in love, but sometimes it is easy to be a little peeved, especially when we feel someone is stepping on the cross of our Lord. Persevere in sharing the Word, in love of course; this will make you a true teacher.
C
Abiding, it's not even you I thought was getting way too nasty. Hahaha. But maybe you're right. I should jump right down there in the ring with you guys and start swinging with all my might! Obviously, to assume the Jews could be saved without recognizing their saviour, Jesus Christ, is an absurd unscriptural assumption. There's just too many scriptures to disprove that assertion to even waste one's time digging them all up. Acts 4: 11-12 probably takes care of it all by itself. "He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
The author is obviously talking to Jews here, not Gentiles.
The author is obviously talking to Jews here, not Gentiles.
and if certain persons who identify as jews are not - what does that say about anything they are trying to convince us of?
truly israel of the flesh or not makes zero difference if they do not love I AM.
there is, though a parallel and counterfeit belief system into which well-meaning christians have been lured: they come to believe they must 'return' to something; or be biologically someone they are not; or start to 'identify' in some other way with what they think is pleasing to God.
it'll start with circumcision and, according to Paul: that's where it ends.
Galatians 5:4
You have been destroyed from The Messiah, those of you who are justified by that in The Written Law, and you have fallen from grace
ABPE
truly israel of the flesh or not makes zero difference if they do not love I AM.
there is, though a parallel and counterfeit belief system into which well-meaning christians have been lured: they come to believe they must 'return' to something; or be biologically someone they are not; or start to 'identify' in some other way with what they think is pleasing to God.
it'll start with circumcision and, according to Paul: that's where it ends.
Galatians 5:4
You have been destroyed from The Messiah, those of you who are justified by that in The Written Law, and you have fallen from grace
ABPE
It is written in Romans that many pagans (gentiles) have the truth written on the tablet of their heart with their own consciences accusing and excusing them as they act. Now I do not pretend to understand this teaching completely but it does seem to me if this applies to some gentiles it also applies to some Jews, all Jews if thinking in Spiritual terms. This teaching has always left me wondering just how many of these gentiles, or Jews, there are, who do not yet know the Lord, are scratching their heads in wonderment at all the sects of Jews and Christians. They know what is correct and act accordingly, yet they have not yet met Yeshua, Jesus. There are reasons for everyone. Perhaps some appear to be disobedient by the will of our Maker. Our Father's ways are not the ways of man, so hold all who do not seem to believe in abeyance until judgment has been handed over to all saints when the thrones have been positioned. It is so wonderful to be free of judging; it really is.
T
You truly do not understand, the Jews are not rejecting their Messiah, they are still looking for him. However, according to Romans 11:8, they have not been allowed to know that He has already been here once.
Menachem Begin was in the Warsaw ghetto during World War II. He watched as 500 Jews, including his beloved mother and father, were driven into the Warsaw River and machine gunned down by the Nazis. As their blood was was pouring out of them, those dear suffering people, with their hands raised toward heaven, were singing that beautiful Jewish hymn, “Oh, how we love our Messiah, and long for his appearance.”
Did you really hear that? “Oh, how we love our Messiah, and long for his appearance.”
When I heard Menachem’s account, I knew in my spirit that Jews could be saved during the Christian era without knowing Jesus name, but according you guys, they are going to hell because they didn’t. I have to admit, the blind bigotry of the church makes me truly ill.
Menachem Begin was in the Warsaw ghetto during World War II. He watched as 500 Jews, including his beloved mother and father, were driven into the Warsaw River and machine gunned down by the Nazis. As their blood was was pouring out of them, those dear suffering people, with their hands raised toward heaven, were singing that beautiful Jewish hymn, “Oh, how we love our Messiah, and long for his appearance.”
Did you really hear that? “Oh, how we love our Messiah, and long for his appearance.”
When I heard Menachem’s account, I knew in my spirit that Jews could be saved during the Christian era without knowing Jesus name, but according you guys, they are going to hell because they didn’t. I have to admit, the blind bigotry of the church makes me truly ill.