Do NOT Address NOR Speak TO the Holy Spirit

[Enow]

1Jn 1:3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit's role is to point us to Christ by Whom we have access to the Father. It's crossing roles to pray directly to the Spirit although technically He is God

I agree with you here, but not the following statement below.

...I don't think God will zap the believer for doing so only in time correct him.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Who is specified as the way?

John 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know....[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Note verse 7 in how the Son is the way in knowing the Father and He us for which is why this iniquity in John 10:1 is the reason why Jesus said this below which is the consequence for not striving to enter through the strait gate.

Luke 13:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

I would say being left behind from the pre tribulational rapture event is a believer being zapped...unless they repent in time.

Luke 13:[SUP]28 [/SUP]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

 

[homwardbound]

Unscriptural and ignoring His words are what those hymnals are doing.



We can pray to the Son at that throne of grace and we can pray to the Father by Him as scripture supports this, but nowhere does scripture support praying TO the Holy Spirit.



I believe Jesus said what He did so that God may reconcile the world away from their rudiments of addressing spirits and wprshipping them to a personal reconciled relationship with God THROUGH the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Broadening the way in how we approach God is the work of iniquity Jesus identified by saying I know ye not whence ye are.

Luke 13:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.[SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
So isn't Jesus enough for coming to and addressing the Father or not?



And yet Jesus said that anyone coming before Him as inbetween us and Him is a thief and that climbing up any other way is an iniquity when the Son is the door in relating to God so that believers may avoid false spirits as well as false prophets.

The Holy Ghost is in the world day as our comforter, this Holy Ghost is the same Holy Ghost that led Jesus. This Holy Ghost talks to us aboutthe Sona nd the Father and not of self just as Jesus didthrough this same Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is the inner man of our hearts where we the believers serve God This same Holy Ghost is our communicator unto the Son and Father which such groanings that we can't understand. And this Holy Ghost we are sealed with the first day of belief (Eph 1:13). This Holy Ghost never once gets in between the believer and Christ for this Holy Ghoist is the coupler of ones Faith in Christ, teaching the believer truth that sets one free in Christ receiving the Love of Christ and Father as in 1 Cor 13.
Jesus said as he was about to leave to his disciples and to us the believers today:
[h=3]John 16[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

16 “These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. [SUP]2 [/SUP]They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.
And these things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.
[h=3]The Work of the Holy Spirit[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]“But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ [SUP]6 [/SUP]But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [SUP]9 [/SUP]of sin, because they do not believe in Me; [SUP]10 [/SUP]of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; [SUP]11 [/SUP]of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. [SUP]13 [/SUP]However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
Enow this is the Holy Spirit of truth and only by you having This HolySpirit of truth in you can you kno[w truth the truth that sets you free in Christ and Father. Even as Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3 where the wind blows no one knows and the same is with the Spirit of God. We are only talkinig about the Spirit of God as being the Holy Ghost. You moght betalking about other Spir that are of and belongingSpirit of error which can only get one through the flesh carnality of the mind. And this why we are to renew our minds to see things from Father's vantasge point where Christ his Son took away all sin from Father's vantage pointso he could sendyou the Holy Ghost the same Holy Ghost that led Christ that would not have come with out Christ leaving as he said in John 16
In God's love homwardbound

 

[homwardbound]

Ephesians 6:[SUP]18 [/SUP]Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Alot of wayward believers have been praying OUT of the Spirit in hypocrisey when He is already in them as they call on the Holy Spirit directly to fall on them "again" as if He can move on His own accord when He cannot, which proves it is not really the Holy Spirit doing that because God is permitting a strong delusion to occur for believing that lie and for disregarding the commandment of His invitation in how believers are to come to God to be saved and to continually come to God in relating to Him..

So the Son is called the Bridegroom for a reason and that is how we are to be chaste in our relationship with God through the Son. There is no other way for us to get to know Him and He us without false spirits coming inbetween us and the Son because believers broadened the way in how we are approaching God the Father by.

what you said is truth and this is the purpose of the one and only Holy Ghost that Christ sent to us all that actually believe and we shall know the truth the truth that sets us free of this world and its traps.
The strong delusion that you speak of falls on those that really do not believe and are not really wanting to know God they speak woith thier lips but their hearts are far from him and God is the onlyone that knows who they are. so the devil does come as an angel of light to decerive possibly the very elect but God will have none of that for his Sheep hear his voice and steer clear of error.
Thank you for your insight into this matter

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, but as the Holy Spirit speaks unto us, He does so from what He hears so that the Son is fulfilling His role as the Good Shepherd as well. That means the indwelling Holy Spirit and us as faithful witnesses are always pointing to the Son in relating to God the Father by as with the help of the Good Shepherd, we shall be led by the Spirit to be chaste in our reconciled relationship with God through the Bridegroom.

If we point to another other than the Son, we would cease to be His servants and His disciples because we are serving something else in His name in seeking the glory of that something else in His name, and thus false witnesses.

John 7:[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

If that be true for believers as witnesses, so the same would be for the Holy Spirit in His witness which He would never do because there is no unrighteousness in God.

So when believers point to the pastor and testify of him in seeking his glory, that is no longer pointing to the Son in testifying of Him in seeking His glory. In the same voice, when believers point to the Spirit and testify of Him in seeking His glory, that is no longer pointing to the Son in testifying of Him in seeking His glory.

Our eyes should always be seeking the face of the Son in relating to God the Father because the Bridegroom wil be coming soon... and His elect will need His help even to do that in this age of apostasy abounding where faith is hard to find.

God does not need anyones help, God knows what God is and has done through his Son and has given us the comforter to teach us yes that is through the Son that we reach the Father and there is no other way. Christ is at the right hand of the Father resting for when he was at the cross being crucified and as he was about to give up the Ghost and die he yelled out it is finished John 19:30 What was finished? Why it was his Job that he finished here on earth dead for three days as proof of his death before Father raised him back to life in the Spirit. Job Matthew 5:17 to fulfill the law and prophets, he did and brought in a new will (covenant) through the death Hebrews 9:15-17 therefore when one receives this new covenant in Christ and the Father through the Holy Ghost confirminig this we see this:
[h=3]Hebrews 10:17[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

Because Christ did this at the cross took away all sin of the world, as John the babtist said he would as he saw him coming before he water babtised him

John 1:29
New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The Lamb of God[/h][SUP]29 [/SUP]The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

 

[homwardbound]

The Holy Spirit fulfilling His role as the Comforter does not justify praying to nor speaking to the Holy Spirit.

Who said this what any of us are doing?

 

[homwardbound]

If there was a translator in the room, who is really talking? So when you speak in return, what is the polite course of action? Speaking to the interpretor or to the one actually speaking?



If any believer feels that as meaning the communion of the Holy Spirit, by His Word, I can tell you that it is not the Holy Spirit.



No. Answering the Son by praying to the Son is how you interact with God the Father. This is why the Son is called the Bridegroom. That is how special your relationship with God the Father is by in how we are chaste with God through the Son so that believers may avoid false spirits that try to come inbetween us and the Son in relating to God the Father by.

Enow this sounds as if the Holy Spirit has no more to do with us after we do believe, are you saying the Holy Spirit's job is over after we come to belief? You are confusing, please say exactly what you mean?

 

[Enow]

The Holy Ghost is in the world day as our comforter, this Holy Ghost is the same Holy Ghost that led Jesus.

To be clearer, and more precise in according to our faith, the Holy Ghost is in us: the spirit that is in the world is the spirit of the antichrist.

Enow this is the Holy Spirit of truth and only by you having This HolySpirit of truth in you can you kno[w truth the truth that sets you free in Christ and Father. Even as Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3 where the wind blows no one knows and the same is with the Spirit of God. We are only talkinig about the Spirit of God as being the Holy Ghost. You moght betalking about other spirit that are of and belonging spirit of error which can only get one through the flesh carnality of the mind. And this why we are to renew our minds to see things from Father's vantasge point where Christ his Son took away all sin from Father's vantage pointso he could sendyou the Holy Ghost the same Holy Ghost that led Christ that would not have come with out Christ leaving as he said in John 14

The word spirit in red was corrected by using the small "s" to signify as not the Spirit of God since the Spirit of Truth can never be the spirit of error.

The reference in John 14 is where Jesus gave the promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Spirit on condition when He was no longer present with them as it is a promise to be given at their salvation.

John 14:[SUP]25 [/SUP]These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. [SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

 

[Enow]

what you said is truth and this is the purpose of the one and only Holy Ghost that Christ sent to us all that actually believe and we shall know the truth the truth that sets us free of this world and its traps.
The strong delusion that you speak of falls on those that really do not believe and are not really wanting to know God they speak woith thier lips but their hearts are far from him and God is the onlyone that knows who they are. so the devil does come as an angel of light to decerive possibly the very elect but God will have none of that for his Sheep hear his voice and steer clear of error.

John 10th chapter speaks of those climbing up another way and getting a stranger's voice as a result of it which is applicable to those approaching God the Father by way of the Spirit in seeking tongues directly from the Spirit which is a work of iniquity for going around the Son and thus dishonouring Him in that manner for which these strong delusions will come as a result.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. [SUP]3 [/SUP]To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. [SUP]6 [/SUP]This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I am the door:

But yet Jesus referred to these wayward followers as still of His sheep, just not of the first fold, the elect, that are abiding in Him by following His voice. Jesus declares that because they are His sheep, He must bring them as they will be made to hear His voice and be of the one fold & one shepherd.

John 10:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [SUP]15 [/SUP]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

So the believers not following His voice but a stranger's voice are still His which is why we are not to judge them as if they are not His or not saved.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: [SUP]2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;........[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

So a believer that is wicked and unreasonable, not having faith as they walk disorderly and not after the tradtions taught of us is still a brother and not an enemy, but yet we are called to admonish the errant believers by withdrawing from them in the hopes that God may be peradventuring to recover them from the snare of the devil, leading them to repentance by returning to their first love abd shunning vain & profane babblings by going before that throne of grace in prayer.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, the Holy Spirit is God, but it is not the will of God the Father to be approaching Him by any other way other than by way of the Son.

Is Jesus unable to perform the role as the ONLY Mediator between God and man? If we believe Paul's word that the Son is the only Mediator ... then giving that role to the Holy Spirit is actually dishonouring the Son for being that only Mediator between God and man.

It is because of other spirits in the world and sinners that seek after familiar spirits and worshipping spirits that God wish to narrow the way in how they are to come to Him and continually relate to Him by, and that is by our first love, the Bridegroom.

Now this makes since, so what do we do with the Holy Ghost? Do we just forget him being God and all? Or are we actually already coupled to God through the belief that Christ took all sin away at the cross was dead for three days then by the operation of Father was risen from the dead and forever alive sitting at rest at the right hand of the Father. We through belief have hads this very same thing happen to us as what it says in Romans 6:1-6.
So therefore being one in the Spirit of Christ, and the Father shown this by the Holy Ghost we have constant dialoque deoing dead to the flesh ( sin ) and alive to God in the Spirit of truth forever and always here and now. I am smothered and covered on all sides being set in the miuddle of the triangle of the trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost all three as one and therefore I am one wim and have fellowship with all the Saints in Christ Jesus it is finished and done in me just as it is finished and done in Christ, I am through belief at rest in God the Son, God the Father and God the Holy Ghost.
So Enow do you not believe we are at rest in him, what prompts you to split hairs?

 

[Enow]

Who said this what any of us are doing?

You may read the entire thread to see those that disagree about not addressing nor speaking to the Holy Spirit.

 

[homwardbound]

No. John 10:1-9 refers to the iniquity of climbing up another way other than by going to the Son, and so that includes those that come inbetween us and the Son since the climbing up another way shows the consequences of doing that which is following a stranger's voice.... tongues that comes with no interpretation.

Enow you are not speaking of the Holy Spirit of God in this post we all are you are saying there is a Spirit of error that gets in the way or could and to be careful is this what you are saying here?

 

[RickShafer]

Jesus said so. Really read the commandment of His invitation.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Now read what Paul says.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Now read what is testified as an iniquity towards Jesus Christ.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Now read about how there is no one else but a thief inbetween us and the Son.(So you are saying the Holy Spirit of God - the third person in the trinity is a thief?!?)

John 10:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I am the door:

There are no invitations given to come to the Holy Spirit nor are there any scriptue testifying of addressing nor speaking to the Spirit because God wants to reconcile sinners in the world away from their spirits and their worship of spirits to a personal reconciled relationship with God the Father through the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ Whom is called the Bridegroom for that reason alone so that believers may avoid false spirits in the world that would try to come inbetween them and the Son.(I don't mean to be cruel, but you are in serious folly, - who do you think the comforter is? - Who do you
reconcile Jesus said He would send in John 17 ??)

So Jesus really meant what He had said about coming to God: only by coming to the Son can anyone approach God amd by continuing in relating to the Son can anyone relate to God the Father. There is no other way.(Paul said - "I speak in tongues more than you all" - was he wrong, did he lie? You must reconcile your theology with the Word of God)

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.(So you are saying Jesus is the only mouthpiece to God the Father......please keep reading...your theology is ridiculous....read on......who's the comforter Jesus says He will send after He goes? - - - - (Need a hint?!?)

 

[Enow]

Now this makes since, so what do we do with the Holy Ghost? Do we just forget him being God and all?

Recognizing the role of the Holy Spirit as pointing to the Son in relating to God the Father means not addressing nor speaking to the Holy Spirit in relating to God.

To ignore Whom the Holy Spirit in us is pointing us towards is forgetting the Holy Ghost.

That is akin to the church relating to God through the pastor even though the pastor was pointing to the Son in how they were to have that personal reconciled relationship with God through the Lord Jesus Christ.

Can they really be listening to the Holy Spirit if they are ignoring Whom He is pinting them to go to in relating to God? That would be more liken to forgetting the Holy Ghost.

So Enow do you not believe we are at rest in him, what prompts you to split hairs?

The lack of discernment as to why those that recognize false manifestations as not of the Holy Spirit and yet refuse to apply that discernment when that which they claim as false was invoked by calling on the Holy Spirit Himself to do those false manifestations and thus why Jesus said in the way that He has said it about how we are to come to God the Father in John 14:6 which is by way of the Son in ALL things.

The only reason they are refusing that discernment because they got tongues that comes with no interpretation by the same route... directly from the Spirit Himself which the Spirit did not do at all, and why they are suffering a strong delusion for climbing up another way in getting that stranger's voice that they are following: tongues without interpretation as if it is to be used as a prayer language when the real God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to be used by Him to speak unto the people.. not back to Himself.

 

[Enow]

Enow you are not speaking of the Holy Spirit of God in this post we all are you are saying there is a Spirit of error that gets in the way or could and to be careful is this what you are saying here?

That is correct. I am not speaking of the Holy Spirit here in John 10th chapter and neither are they when they address and speak to the Holy Spirit to get the sign of tongues which happens to comes with no interpretation. That is the stranger's voice for climbing up another way other than by way of the Son.

Those that address and speak to the Holy Spirit are stepping outside of the will of God the Father in how they are to come to Him so guess what? They are not speaking to the Holy Spirit either.

 

[homwardbound]

They will find none, but I can show by His grace and by His help how believers praying to the Holy Spirit has gotten "hurt".

Did they not get hurt in the "holy laughter" movement, the slain in the Spirit craze, the Toronto Blessings, and the Pensacola Outpouring?

Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. [SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

Yet by the scripture abive, believers have been falling down all because they did not heed the commandment of His invitation in how they were to approach God the Father by which is only by way of the Son.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 7:..[SUP]13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [SUP]14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?.........

Did not the "holy laughter" movement occurred across the denomenations in Catholics and Protestant churches as no longer being a streamlined Pentecostal and Charismatic event? Is that not being ecumenical in natire as gathering graoes of thorns and figs of thistles? How else can it occur other than by including the Holy Spirit to be worshipped with the Father & the Son? And even moreso when that spotlight is solely on the Holy Spirit in the worship place?

This is what they get for dishonouring the Son by removing the spotlight from the Son to the Spirit which the indwelling Holy Spirit would never do because believers can only live that reconciled relationship with God the Father through the Son.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: [SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

That is why all of those believers are falling when addressing and speaking to the holy Spirit and yet when we keep our eyes on the Son by His grace & by His help, we have this promise from the Son.

Jude 1:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, [SUP]25 [/SUP]To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

I noticed you used all Old testament scripture under the Old Covenant under the Law except for Jude
Now you might and probably dis agree with me, but let me explain
Even though Matt, Mark, Luke and John are all in the New Testament, all things that were said and or did in these books PRIOR TO THE DEATH OF CHRIST is in and of the OLD COVENANT being under the curse of the law even though the law is holy in and of itself man could not fullfill it ever. Hebrews 9:15-17 confirms this as truth for the new covenant was not in place until the death of Christ. Therefore all that Christ did was show each and everyone one of us our depravity to never be able to make it to heaven by any of our efforts or anyone elses, I am speaking of the depravity of our flesh. for he said to his disciples after they asked Jesus how is it possible that any of us can make it to heaven and he answered with man it IS IMPOSSIBLE, but WITH GOD IT IS POSSIBLE. What do you think he was talking about? NEW covenant right? Where we actually have truth living in us in the form of the Holy Ghost, not that we pray to the Holy ghost but through the Holy Ghost we have been copupled togather in the trinity of God
Now Jude speaks of this new Covenant where allour sins and lawless acts are behind his back never tosee again for those that are have recieved the Holy Ghost have inherited eternal life through belief that the Holy Ghost pointed us to which is Christ Jesus

 

[twofeet]

Wow! Here in the UK if you go to a counselling session Ive never heard that your not allowed to talk to the counsellor! I think Jesus should have called the Holy Spirit a different name for the UK folk!

 

[homwardbound]

Acknowledging what God has done so that I may rest in Him means not looking for experiences as a sign lest I become an adulterous generation in disregarding the Bridegroom of Whom I should be relating to God the Father by in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

Apparently you do not understand that we are through Christ believe we are saved and it is the Holy Ghost that revealed this truth to us at leastme and Ihear allthe others saying waht I am saying if not Crossfire can correct me or and anyone else

 

[Enow]

Jesus said so. Really read the commandment of His invitation.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Now read what Paul says.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Now read what is testified as an iniquity towards Jesus Christ.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Now read about how there is no one else but a thief inbetween us and the Son.(So you are saying the Holy Spirit of God - the third person in the trinity is a thief?!?)

No. Just proving where the real Holy Spirit will not be.. and that is where our Mediator is when only the Son can be.

That means it is not the Holy Spirit using tongues as a prayer language when God;s gift of tongues is of other men's lips to be used by Him to speak unto the people... not back to Himself in prayer.

The Holy Spirit cannot speak of His own volition. He can only speak what He hears. That means He is relating the words from the Father which are now the Son's.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

It is a moot point for God to use tongues as a prayer language as He would be speaking through the Holy Spirit back to Himself.

The purpose of prayer is for us to pray so that whenthe Son answers our prayers, God the Father will be glorified in the Son. It is a thief to take that gets inbetween you and Him to take that personal time with Him in prayer by route of babbling nonsense which will deprive you of asking Him what you knew you had asked for and depriving Him of teh opportunities to answer those prayers you knew you had asked for so that you would give thanks & glorify God for.

John 14:[SUP]13 [/SUP]And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

That is why no one should be praying to the Holy Spirit, addressing nor speaking to the Holy Spirit because the will of God for the purpose of prayer si for the Son to have that role so that God the Father may be glorified in the Son when the Son answers those prayers as the Son will be doing it.

Going to the Holy Spirit for what we are to go to the Son for is dishonouring the Son and the Father as well.

John 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: [SUP]23 [/SUP]That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

That is why God is allowing the strong delusion to occur when believers seek the gift of tongues directly from the Holy Spirit Himself which is why it is not His gift of tongues of other men's lips to speak unto the people but babbling nonsense.

 

[homwardbound]

The Holy Spirit is our Helper, but that does not mean He is also our Mediator. Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man, specified as the man Christ Jesus, our risen Saviour at that throne of grace.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

WHO HAS SAID DIFFERANT HERE? i THINK WE ALL KNOW THIS, AND IT IS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT WE ALL KNOW THIS FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES NOT INTERVENE IN TRUTH, so Enow why is this going on where it seems you are disqualifying the Holy Spirit of truth ?

 

[Anonimous]

Enow's point is Scripture always says "in" or "by" the Spirit, never "to" the Spirit.

Good point. Wd are not to pray the Holy Spirit. I don't think Enow is discounting the work of the Holy Spirit by any means. But, I think people tend to focus on Him more than Jesus at times. The Holy Spirit will never doing anything that takes the glory away from God.