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Mark, please answer the plain scripture you are so fond of talking about but which you then proceed to ignore. So far we have learnt that All the fullness of the Godhead dwell in Jesus. We have learnt that God was manifest in the flesh. We are told that the throne of Jesus is for ever and ever. We are also told He laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens. And Jesus also said that He and His Father are ONE. How do you respond please Mark?
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
You say you stand on the plain word's of Christ but you deny them. Jesus said about such people, “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven” (Matt. 10:33).
So far you have not responded to any scriptures, here is a fifth one.
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
"... feed the church of GOD, which HE hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD." Acts 20:28
So far you have not responded to any scriptures, here is a fifth one.
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
"... feed the church of GOD, which HE hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD." Acts 20:28
You claim to stand on the plain words of Christ but then you promptly deny them as you deny scripture now. Read what Jesus said about such people which I posted in the previous post but which clearly you did not read, here it is again highlighted.
You say you stand on the plain word's of Christ but you deny them. Jesus said about such people, “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven” (Matt. 10:33).
So far you have not responded to any scriptures, here is a fifth one.
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
"... feed the church of GOD, which HE hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD." Acts 20:28
You say you stand on the plain word's of Christ but you deny them. Jesus said about such people, “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven” (Matt. 10:33).
So far you have not responded to any scriptures, here is a fifth one.
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
"... feed the church of GOD, which HE hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD." Acts 20:28
The fact that you ignore scripture is plain for all to see.
1. One who holds to a heresy; one who believes some doctrine contrary to the established faith or prevailing religion.
A man that is an heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject. --Titus iii. 10.
2. One who having made a profession of Christian belief, deliberately and pertinaciously refuses to believe one or more of the articles of faith ''determined by the authority of the universal church.'' --Addis & Arnold.
heretic - Definition of heretic at Define.com Dictionary and Thesaurus (define heretic)
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I would like you to respond to scripture please. So why on the basis of this verse do you deny that Jesus was God on earth?
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
"... feed the church of GOD, which HE hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD." Acts 20:28
"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...1 John 3:16
"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
1. One who holds to a heresy; one who believes some doctrine contrary to the established faith or prevailing religion.
A man that is an heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject. --Titus iii. 10.
2. One who having made a profession of Christian belief, deliberately and pertinaciously refuses to believe one or more of the articles of faith ''determined by the authority of the universal church.'' --Addis & Arnold.
heretic - Definition of heretic at Define.com Dictionary and Thesaurus (define heretic)
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I would like you to respond to scripture please. So why on the basis of this verse do you deny that Jesus was God on earth?
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
"... feed the church of GOD, which HE hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD." Acts 20:28
"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...1 John 3:16
"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
You deny Jesus is God.
Tit 3:4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Saviour appeared, HE saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people. But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
Tit 3:4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Saviour appeared, HE saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people. But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
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I think its important to.understand that some's understanding is not ready yet for some thing's of Scripture, yet that's OK, because, they believe in Him . 
The one true God Scripture speaks of, from the 10 commandments on, tells the truth of 'God,' but Jesus was real on Earth in the flesh and the same spirit of God that 'moved over the waters' in Gen. 1 is the same spirit of God who.is His Spirit in your temple.
Pray for those struggling with 'Father, Son, Holy Spirit,' as three different persons but one Deity who is Christ 1 Colossians 1:15
God bless all who are seeking Him for ALL their truth, the Lord leads, GET deeply into.the Word, He will.reveal His great self unto YOU and , with 'that' will be revelation of His truth that will help.you follow His plans for your life Jer. 29:11 , which God knew before you were even boern. So, God Is patient with us, lovingly patient, infinitely so, to those whose heart He knows is truly, genuinely, whlholeheartedly seeking Him. U Wiill.find Him to when.... Jer. 29:13
The one true God Scripture speaks of, from the 10 commandments on, tells the truth of 'God,' but Jesus was real on Earth in the flesh and the same spirit of God that 'moved over the waters' in Gen. 1 is the same spirit of God who.is His Spirit in your temple.
Pray for those struggling with 'Father, Son, Holy Spirit,' as three different persons but one Deity who is Christ 1 Colossians 1:15
God bless all who are seeking Him for ALL their truth, the Lord leads, GET deeply into.the Word, He will.reveal His great self unto YOU and , with 'that' will be revelation of His truth that will help.you follow His plans for your life Jer. 29:11 , which God knew before you were even boern. So, God Is patient with us, lovingly patient, infinitely so, to those whose heart He knows is truly, genuinely, whlholeheartedly seeking Him. U Wiill.find Him to when.... Jer. 29:13
I think its important to.understand that some's understanding is not ready yet for some thing's of Scripture, yet that's OK, because, they believe in Him .
The one true God Scripture speaks of, from the 10 commandments on, tells the truth of 'God,' but Jesus was real on Earth in the flesh and the same spirit of God that 'moved over the waters' in Gen. 1 is the same spirit of God who.is His Spirit in your temple.
Pray for those struggling with 'Father, Son, Holy Spirit,' as three different persons but one Deity who is Christ 1 Colossians 1:15
God bless all who are seeking Him for ALL their truth, the Lord leads, GET deeply into.the Word, He will.reveal His great self unto YOU and , with 'that' will be revelation of His truth that will help.you follow His plans for your life Jer. 29:11 , which God knew before you were even boern. So, God Is patient with us, lovingly patient, infinitely so, to those whose heart He knows is truly, genuinely, whlholeheartedly seeking Him. U Wiill.find Him to when.... Jer. 29:13[/QUOT
Perhaps you would like to answer the following question, as you seem to believe I struggle for truth that you have
Why did neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John plainly and clearly state that a person must believe Christ is God Himself, unto salvation?
Did the Apostles not have the spiritual insight you and others do today?
Or did they fail woefully in their Christian duty by not informing people very plainly as to the belief required as to who Christ is to inherit eternal life?
Or
Why did they refuse to very plainly state what to many is the core of the Christian faith?
Which of the two reasons I gave was the reason for this?
The one true God Scripture speaks of, from the 10 commandments on, tells the truth of 'God,' but Jesus was real on Earth in the flesh and the same spirit of God that 'moved over the waters' in Gen. 1 is the same spirit of God who.is His Spirit in your temple.
Pray for those struggling with 'Father, Son, Holy Spirit,' as three different persons but one Deity who is Christ 1 Colossians 1:15
God bless all who are seeking Him for ALL their truth, the Lord leads, GET deeply into.the Word, He will.reveal His great self unto YOU and , with 'that' will be revelation of His truth that will help.you follow His plans for your life Jer. 29:11 , which God knew before you were even boern. So, God Is patient with us, lovingly patient, infinitely so, to those whose heart He knows is truly, genuinely, whlholeheartedly seeking Him. U Wiill.find Him to when.... Jer. 29:13
[/QUOTPerhaps you would like to answer the following question, as you seem to believe I struggle for truth that you have
Why did neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John plainly and clearly state that a person must believe Christ is God Himself, unto salvation?
Did the Apostles not have the spiritual insight you and others do today?
Or did they fail woefully in their Christian duty by not informing people very plainly as to the belief required as to who Christ is to inherit eternal life?
Or
Why did they refuse to very plainly state what to many is the core of the Christian faith?
Which of the two reasons I gave was the reason for this?
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Yes, we have.
That's three "Gods" and I see no record of that.
I never said he was.
By your own admission. . .according to English grammar. . .that makes 3 "Gods". EACH is one God.
Nope
When you committ something to someone you give them something . . . God committed the authority to judge to his Son.
Yes, we have.
That's three "Gods" and I see no record of that.
I never said he was.
By your own admission. . .according to English grammar. . .that makes 3 "Gods". EACH is one God.
Nope
When you committ something to someone you give them something . . . God committed the authority to judge to his Son.
would like you to respond to scripture please. So why on the basis of this verse do you deny that Jesus was God on earth?
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
Absolutely, the Holy Spirit fully resides in the body of Christ
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
Yes, absolutely, the Holy Spirit was on Christ in BODILY SHAPE/FORM when he walked this earth, the Spirit of God's prescence
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
I wonder why you left out verse 9
[SUP] [/SUP]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
'That they(the believers) may be one AS we are one John17:22
So can you be another believer and them you? Can three believers make up one stool by each being a leg? Or do you remain three individual people?
That they may be one AS we are one
How can you be as one with another believer?
Only in the Spirit, but you remain two individual people
That they may be one AS we are one
"... feed the church of GOD, which HE hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD." Acts 20:28
[SUP] [/SUP]Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he(Christ) hath purchased with his own blood.
God is Spirit, he has never been seen at anytime(1John4:12)
Continuing on
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
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I would like you to tell me by what authority you can state a person is a heretic, damned and will go to hell for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth?
"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...1 John 3:16
"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because HE(Christ) LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...
"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
Yes, Christ is
mighty God, but:
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
He called them gods to whom the word of God came(John10:35)
How many people do you believe are God?
And Christ is the everlasting Father of the new covernant as Paul tells us Abraham is our Father in relation to faith
Is Abraham therefore God too?
Now lets see if you will answer me one question only
You believe if a person does not accept Christ is God Himself thery are a heretic and condemned.
As I assume you believe it is a ministers absolute responsibility to preach plainly from the pulpit what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is for a person to inherit eternal life and the consequencews of getting it wrong
Do you condemn as unfit to be a minister, any preacher who will not plainly state from the pulpit, that if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God but not God Himself they cannot be savede with that belief, are a heretic, condemned, and will go hell with tha belief
I have only asked you to answer one question, I have responded to many of your questions, if you do not forthrightly respond to my question, but just keep asking me more questions, do not expect a response.
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
Absolutely, the Holy Spirit fully resides in the body of Christ
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
Yes, absolutely, the Holy Spirit was on Christ in BODILY SHAPE/FORM when he walked this earth, the Spirit of God's prescence
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
I wonder why you left out verse 9
[SUP] [/SUP]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
"I and my Father are ONE." Jesus Christ, John 10:30
'That they(the believers) may be one AS we are one John17:22
So can you be another believer and them you? Can three believers make up one stool by each being a leg? Or do you remain three individual people?
That they may be one AS we are one
How can you be as one with another believer?
Only in the Spirit, but you remain two individual people
That they may be one AS we are one
"... feed the church of GOD, which HE hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD." Acts 20:28
[SUP] [/SUP]Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he(Christ) hath purchased with his own blood.
God is Spirit, he has never been seen at anytime(1John4:12)
Continuing on
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
IE
I would like you to tell me by what authority you can state a person is a heretic, damned and will go to hell for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth?
"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...1 John 3:16
"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because HE(Christ) LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...
"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
Yes, Christ is
mighty God, but:
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
He called them gods to whom the word of God came(John10:35)
How many people do you believe are God?
And Christ is the everlasting Father of the new covernant as Paul tells us Abraham is our Father in relation to faith
Is Abraham therefore God too?
Now lets see if you will answer me one question only
You believe if a person does not accept Christ is God Himself thery are a heretic and condemned.
As I assume you believe it is a ministers absolute responsibility to preach plainly from the pulpit what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is for a person to inherit eternal life and the consequencews of getting it wrong
Do you condemn as unfit to be a minister, any preacher who will not plainly state from the pulpit, that if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God but not God Himself they cannot be savede with that belief, are a heretic, condemned, and will go hell with tha belief
I have only asked you to answer one question, I have responded to many of your questions, if you do not forthrightly respond to my question, but just keep asking me more questions, do not expect a response.
The Bible says Jesus is God and you deny that and to deny scripture is so wrong. Jesus said, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test." Meaning Jesus is God and you are testing Him. I suggest you "heed the plain words of Jesus." Matthew 4:7
"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
"...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US." Matthew 1:23
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD (Jesus) WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:1-4, 14
"I and the Father are one." (John 10:30.)
“the Father is in me and I am in the Father." (John 10:38.)
"Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me," [ONE PERSON] (John 14:11)
John 8:58. Jesus said, “Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am”
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily (not only the Holy Spirit)." Colossians 2:9
"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
"...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US." Matthew 1:23
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD (Jesus) WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:1-4, 14
"I and the Father are one." (John 10:30.)
“the Father is in me and I am in the Father." (John 10:38.)
"Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me," [ONE PERSON] (John 14:11)
John 8:58. Jesus said, “Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am”
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily (not only the Holy Spirit)." Colossians 2:9
Well well, you did not even attempt to answer my one question did you, just ignored it, and you ignored the answers I gave you to your questions
But your real problem is the following, and one day you will have to answer for it:
So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
But your real problem is the following, and one day you will have to answer for it:
So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
"You keep talking about standing on the plain words of Christ" but you don't otherwise you would believe him when he said “Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am”
We are told to “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.”
Do you believe Jesus when he said "before Abraham was born, I am”?
We are told to “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.”
Do you believe Jesus when he said "before Abraham was born, I am”?
If a person could be led of the Holy Spirit and refuse to accept the requirement of belief unto salvation that Christ himself laid down as to who a person must believe him to be by adding to it, then the Spirit of God must contradict the word of God, therefore in Trniitarian belief(and your belief) God contradicts God and the belief collapses
If you cannot even answer my one question forthrightly, please do not ask me any questions. Debate is a two way thing, not where one party refuses to answer any question put to them
If you cannot even answer my one question forthrightly, please do not ask me any questions. Debate is a two way thing, not where one party refuses to answer any question put to them