The Trinity

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Who is God?

Who is Savior?




Titus 2.13

προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων χριστου ιησου

prosdechomenoi tēn makarian elpida kai epiphaneian tēs doxēs tou megalou theou kai sōtēros hēmōn christou iēsou

Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,





2 Peter 1.1

σιμων πετρος δουλος και αποστολος ιησου χριστου τοις ισοτιμον ημιν λαχουσιν πιστιν εν δικαιοσυνη του θεου ημων και σωτηρος ιησου χριστου

simōn petros doulos kai apostolos iēsou christou tois isotimon hēmin lachousin pisten en dikaiosunē tou theou hēmōn kai sōtēros iēsou christou

Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those equally precious with us, having obtained faith in the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:


Greek grammar mandates that Jesus is both God and Savior in the above verses.


Jesus is the God-man.

Jesus is the Savior-man.



Thus, when we come to the next example, we can easily see that God and Savior both apply to Jesus, as well.



1 Tim 2.3 - 5

For this is good and acceptable before God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to a full knowledge of Truth. For God is one, also there is one Mediator of God and of men, the Man Christ Jesus,


Jesus is the God-man.

Jesus is the Savior-man.




Further, ‘Truth’ also applies to Jesus.

Thank you for proving my point
You cannot give me one plain scripture that states a person must believe Christ is the one true God to inherit eternal life
 
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owned again...

You cannot give me one plain scripture that states a person must believe Christ is the one true God to inherit eternal life

οιδαμεν δε οτι ο υιος του θεου ηκει και δεδωκεν ημιν διανοιαν ινα γινωσκομεν τον αληθινον και εσμεν εν τω αληθινω εν τω υιω αυτου ιησου χριστω ουτος εστιν ο αληθινος θεος και ζωη αιωνιος

oidamen de hoti ho huios tou theou hēkei kai dedōken hēmin dianoian hina ginōskōmen ton alēthinon kai esmen en tō huiō autou Iēsou Christō houtos estin ho alēthinos theos kai zōē aiōnios

And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)
 
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οιδαμεν δε οτι ο υιος του θεου ηκει και δεδωκεν ημιν διανοιαν ινα γινωσκομεν τον αληθινον και εσμεν εν τω αληθινω εν τω υιω αυτου ιησου χριστω ουτος εστιν ο αληθινος θεος και ζωη αιωνιος

oidamen de hoti ho huios tou theou hēkei kai dedōken hēmin dianoian hina ginōskōmen ton alēthinon kai esmen en tō huiō autou Iēsou Christō houtos estin ho alēthinos theos kai zōē aiōnios

And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)

Once again, thank you for proving my point
 
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Thank you for proving my point
You cannot give me one plain scripture that states a person must believe Christ is the one true God to inherit eternal life
Jhn 3:18 KJV - He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 20:31 KJV - But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
 
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Bowman
Do you agree with PS reponse to my comment below
Be forthright according to your convictions, don't fudge




So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)



Yes
because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.

He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.

A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
 
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Bowman
Do you agree with PS reponse to my comment below
Be forthright according to your convictions, don't fudge




So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)



Yes
because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.

He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.

A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
The Son of Man refers to the Body. The Son of God refers to Jehovah. The two are the Christ....Jesus is the human soul residing in the Body from birth to crucifixion.
 
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Bowman wants me to prove to him scripturally that it was not made official church policy Christ is God Himself until the Council of nicea 300 years after Christ's death on the cross;)
 
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The Son of Man refers to the Body. The Son of God refers to Jehovah. The two are the Christ....Jesus is the human soul residing in the Body from birth to crucifixion.
That is not answering the question posed
 
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I shouldn't say this, but you are so typical PS of some(and I only say some) in your denomination.

You cannot give me even one verse of scripture that states a person must believe Christ is God himself unto salvation, not one
Neither Christ, Peter, James, John, or Paul demanded such a belief, neither would nearly all of the Trinitarian mnisters from their pulpits, nor would well over 90% of churchgoers in Trinitarian churches
But people wise in their own eyes will

It is all theological head knowledge junk, no more,. led by the ego and pride of a few who come onto the internet flushed with what they think they know, and thus proving how little of importance they really know
Eph 1:13 KJV - In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Rom 1:16 KJV - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 
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This was the question jl


Do you agree with PS reponse to my comment below




So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)



Yes
because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.

He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.

A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
 
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JLHillsSr

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If you want to believe in a fake Jesus good luck to you but remember Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." John 14:6

Also remember the Father only became "Father" after the physical birth of Jesus.

Also remember going back to the foundation of the earth Jesus was the WORD and "THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US." Jesus existed from the foundation of the earth and Jesus is only his earthly name.

So who was Jesus before he was made flesh and dwelt among us?
Exd 3:14 KJV - And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exd 6:3 KJV - And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Isa 12:2 KJV - Behold, God [is] my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH [is] my strength and [my] song; he also is become my salvation.
 
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Bowman wants me to prove to him scripturally that it was not made official church policy Christ is God Himself until the Council of nicea 300 years after Christ's death on the cross;)


You can't do it.

Period.