Is infant baptism biblical?

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Abiding

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zone said:
water baptism is?
for ppl today?
or transitional OT ppl?
sorry if you already answered this mike.

am multitasking:)
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I dont know for sure...to me it was transitional, just like it was to have signs and tongues when a person received the
gospel/Holyspirit ...petered out and died after it did its job. But what it signified stayed
 
zone

zone

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Abiding said:
Yes to water as far as the water cleansing law for the priest.
And what it signifies only: but only as a symbol, I dont believe
in baptismal regeneration coming from water but:

Titus 3:5


[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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okay.
i'm not asking about baptismal regeneration.
i'm just trying to see if we are to be baptized in water.
so, it's because it's a symbol.
and it signifies something.

that would be Covenant something?
a sign of the New Covenant?

so, that means we are to do it.
?
whew;)

and i'm not suggesting in any way this is work of righteousness or any of that nonsense.

like the faith not being a work of righteousness thingee!
oh brother....*whew*
 
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Abiding

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zone said:
okay.
i'm not asking about baptismal regeneration.
i'm just trying to see if we are to be baptized in water.
so, it's because it's a symbol.
and it signifies something.

that would be Covenant something?
a sign of the New Covenant?

so, that means we are to do it.
?
whew;)
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I like best of all what EG said......a coming out of the closet thingy:p
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
I dont know for sure...to me it was transitional, just like it was to have signs and tongues when a person received the
gospel/Holyspirit ...petered out and died after it did its job. But what it signified stayed
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true, But I would still say all believers should be baptised. it is a command,, would you not agree?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
I like best of all what EG said......a coming out of the closet thingy:p
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I like that saying :) coming out of the closet is a good term.. that represents what it is..
 
zone

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Abiding said:
I like best of all what EG said......a coming out of the closet thingy:p
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hmm....so is it just a tradition then?
a take it or leave it?

i mean for an adult who can make a decision.
help.!
 
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jgrig2

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Cobus said:
I ask this.... how many children did Jesus baptize with water, how many grown-ups did JESUS baptize with water....


Here is the prickly pear in water baptism.... Jesus NEVER stopped His disciples to baptize in water, and yt HE NEVER did baptize ANY person.


My question is this.... the pastor or minister or whoever does the baptism in water is NOT FOLLOWING the practise of Jesus. Whose practice are they following, John the baptist, or Philip's or the apostles, BEFORE they were filled with the Holy Spirit? Even the Apostles did not baptize ALL people AFTER they were filled with the Holy Spirit.... PAul even said he was not sent to baptize, and he only baptized a few people with water, but LOTS with Holy Spirit.

I guess my outook on baptism is.... If God gives me a choice of baptism for me and my family... I would say... YOU BATIZE US PLEASE LORD! Amen!

I was water baptized by my parents in a Dutch Reformed Church, as an infant, just for the record, and look what good that has done////// I have the opinion it is with a develish BAPTISM practise... Called the Heidelburg catasism and doctrine... For me PURE evil////
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If Baptism is evil; and Jesus commanded his Disciples to baptize (Mat. 28; Mark 16, Acts 1), then is Jesus evil? By logic you are calling the Lord evil by insulting his ordinance or sacrament.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
true, But I would still say all believers should be baptised. it is a command,, would you not agree?[/QUOT

Well like i said i think the water was transitional
but im not against it as a public confession, if thats what it was about im all for it.
but as a means to receive the Holyspirit or salvation no. i mean a biblical no.
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
eternally-gratefull said:
true, But I would still say all believers should be baptised. it is a command,, would you not agree?[/QUOT

Well like i said i think the water was transitional
but im not against it as a public confession, if thats what it was about im all for it.
but as a means to receive the Holyspirit or salvation no. i mean a biblical no.
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could not have said it better myself

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zone said:
hmmm....so you're suggesting they baptized in water without being told to, and it was recorded for us, but it was them acting out of nostalgia or summink?

not getting that part.

it might be true...but does the Lord or anyone straighten that out later at all?
because if we leave aside jewish believers for a moment - and thereby dispense with any tradition they may have acted on....Jesus said to baptize the nations.

hmm....alright.
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I'm saying that it was hard for them to break from tradition. John truly baptized in water BUT you shall be baptized with holy spirit. . . the word BUT sets the two in contrast. Water only washes the outside. . .being born again of the Spirit - a new man is created on the inside - When Jesus fulfilled the Law; yep, some things changed. . . .

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. . . .[1 Cor. 12:13]

One Lord, one faith, one baptism. . . [Eph. 4:5]


 
zone

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Abiding said:
Well like i said i think the water was transitional
but im not against it as a public confession, if thats what it was about im all for it.
but as a means to receive the Holyspirit or salvation no. i mean a biblical no.
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okay...i gotcha.
transitional, no longer an ordinance.

merely done as tradition or such.
ty abiding.
kath
 
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Abiding

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My brother was sort of a wishywashy christian.
He got water baptised and invited people who came
in from all over the country.

Since then hes been a hot type of believer
i have to wear a firesuit just to go over for a bbq:p
I think the outa the closet was very necessary for him
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
I'm saying that it was hard for them to break from tradition. John truly baptized in water BUT you shall be baptized with holy spirit. . . the word BUT sets the two in contrast. Water only washes the outside. . .being born again of the Spirit - a new man is created on the inside - When Jesus fulfilled the Law; yep, some things changed. . . .

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. . . .[1 Cor. 12:13]

One Lord, one faith, one baptism. . . [Eph. 4:5]
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alright. so you have the apostles baptizing jews and gentiles in water after they should have stopped it...which would have been...after they were baptized in water?

was the water baptism only for the jewish apostles then?

ty.
 
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Abiding

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zone said:
okay...i gotcha.
transitional, no longer an ordinance.

merely done as tradition or such.
ty abiding.
kath
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Im not putting my salvation on the line for my opinion tho.:p
 
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Abiding

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zone said:
okay...i gotcha.
transitional, no longer an ordinance.

merely done as tradition or such.
ty abiding.
kath
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in the transition period do you see in acts after pentecost [SUP]5 [/SUP]For John baptized with water, But in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

The Apostles went from water to Spirit, with signs till everyone saw the samaritans, then the gentiles
received the Holyspirit. Then the signs dropped off also. Then it just said they were saved?
 
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