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If it were in your hearts you would not partake in things that are not pleasing to Heavenly Father.
Do you have a stutter? Or have you got a parrot typing everything for you? I dont partake in things not pleasing to the Heavenly Father. Trust me. You need not worry lol. A true child knows what his father likes, and I, MY DEAR SISTER, AM A TRUE CHILD OF MY FATHER'S NOW! BODY MIND AND SOUL! I'm going to bed now. Sweet dreams.
 
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Let me tell you something about me, sis. When I was in prison last year, Jesus showed Himself to me in an experience that I won't go into right now. But since then, the Holy Spirit has been working through me to do EXTRAORDINARY things with people that you would never EVER expect to love the Almighty God! Now, when I was saved in prison, my whole life turned around and I started living EVERY SECOND of my life for the Lord Jesus Christ, instead of living the life of drugs, guns and sex. When I turned my whole life around, I learned how to listen to God when He spoke to me. In prison I had a Seventh Day Adventist chaplain who almost had me convinced that the Catholic Church was evil, but I didnt have access to any sort of study equipment in there to see the Church's defence to all his claims, so naturally as a human being, all this information i was being fed (being the only info I had) started engraving itself in my mind. In the end, he asked me if I was ready to joing the "true church" (being the SDA church), and AS SOON AS HE SAID THAT, I Lord said to me "NO!" So I told the chaplain that this was alot to think about so I should just take a step back and think about it.

Now, sister, when I got out of prison, I had access to anything I wanted. So I began researching the Catholic Church's response to Jeff's claims and found EVERY ONE OF THEM to be manufactured to suit his accusations and to be a complete and utter lie. I haven't stopped searching. Don't forget that this guy had me convinced that the Catholic Church was evil!

About 6 weeks ago I had another dream (this is the first time i have even mentioned this to anyone) that confirmed to me the ABSOLUTE TRUTH in what I believe, and there is NO WAY that anyone can convince me that I am in darkness. My soul is at ease and my conscience is clear, and only the Lord can know how much I love Him and want Him and Thank Him!!! Don't ever say to anyone that they are in darkness when you quite clearly haven't got the SLIGHTEST CLUE what their faith consists of. I PRAY, THAT THE LORD SOFTENS YOUR HEART AND OPENS IT UP TO YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST! God Bless and Guide you!

Regardless of what domination you are part of doesn't matter. What matters is if you believe in the Messiah and accepted him as the true Deity. Catholic or not, he is obviously a believer so saying no otherwise is wrong, no doubt.
 
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The popes and catholic church back in the middle ages use to throw that word "Heresy" at Christians, who wanted to read their Bibles and worship in freedom, as they choose to according to their reading of the scriptures, Christians that wanted a deeper understanding of God's word then what was spoon fed them by they power hungry church of that day.

The church during the middle ages did not like that, and put thousands upon thousand of Christians, to death, for little more , then wanting to read the Bible. Often the church would impose the most horrible tortures to any Christian, for even hearing the Word of God being spoken or tough by any other, then the pope and its teachers.( that was in the "dark ages" ) So I, never use that word...

What I have noticed about the people that use the Word Heretic, they often make up people who, have little to no understanding of the scripture themselves; even calling scriptures they never heard of, a heresy . I notice they often lord over other Christians and their beliefs , even though they are lacking understanding themselves. So when something is hard for them, rather then try to understand it, they yell heresy or heretic or even, blasphemy ...Now I'm convinced no one knows what that word means.
BOY! Do I ever agree. ;) It seems that often, when people are so sure of their own beliefs that they start prowling around looking for people that disagrees with their theology so as to call them heretics and set them straight--they usually don't have things that straight themselves. We need to listen to what others have to say. Yes, if what they say is clearly unscriptural, we need to point that out, but even then, in love, and even then, recognizing the fact that people interpret things differently. There are a number of minor differences that have split the Christian church into thousands of denominations, and in most any of those denominations, there are people that love God,believe in Jesus, and therefore, will be saved. Christ did not say ''though shalt have a perfect set of doctrines.'' He said, "He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
 

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Paul wrote this to the Romans...

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Rom 16:19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

Jude warned that...

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

These deceivers attack the grace message and turn it into a license to sin. So when Paul teaches this...

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

They deny it and twist scriptures like this...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

...to prove that a Christian exists in an ongoing state of sinfulness and that those who deny it are liars.


When...



1Joh 1:8-10 is actually in the context of this...

1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

So John continues with an explanation of HOW to walk in the light.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

A Parallel verse in the Old Testament is this...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

A parallel from the teachings of Jesus is this...

Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

If 1Joh 1:8-9 was a verse contending for an ongoing state of sinfulness in the life of a Christian then John would not have made the following statements...

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
This is a growing process in staying in seeking out all truth and nothing but the truth and the bottom line is hwether one truly believes or not and God himself knows who are truly desiring to know him without malice and the results are as whwt you wrote when one comes to the finality of the cross where all sins have been taken out of the way from the Father's vantage point ans new life starts to grow in that one that goes to the cross and dies at that cross with Christ in the Spirit of their minds. For their is no life unless the seed fall into the ground and dies
Good post I do think I know what you are trying to say, and it is not condemning to me it is the fruits of the Spirit that you are posting. Is this what you are doing? I see it this way and am excited over the fruits of the Holy Ghost
 

homwardbound

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BOY! Do I ever agree. ;) It seems that often, when people are so sure of their own beliefs that they start prowling around looking for people that disagrees with their theology so as to call them heretics and set them straight--they usually don't have things that straight themselves. We need to listen to what others have to say. Yes, if what they say is clearly unscriptural, we need to point that out, but even then, in love, and even then, recognizing the fact that people interpret things differently. There are a number of minor differences that have split the Christian church into thousands of denominations, and in most any of those denominations, there are people that love God,believe in Jesus, and therefore, will be saved. Christ did not say ''though shalt have a perfect set of doctrines.'' He said, "He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
Absolutely, there is only one head and that is Christ Jesus, and therefore let us be of one Faith, one Lord and one baptism, Let us not quarrell but give each other room as you said so that we all can grow together, For You might water and another might plant for it is God that gives the increase.
 

homwardbound

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Wow, a lot of Catholic hate here. I don't agree with some of their beliefs but how about showing more of God's Truth in love? There are people in Catholic and Protestant churches that are true Christians BUT all denominations and non-denominational churches are made up of flawed people, so none of them are 100% accurate. Love, love, love. Love others, be informed by God's Truth.
Absolutely Tintin, Now for me you all I was put in surgery last year in Nov. 2012 and am disabled lost myjob and my wife lost hers as well we are a team in management for Storage, yes lost our home and all. It istotally by God's grace that I am even here in this world alive for only about ten% live from waht I had.
Now I thank the CATHOLIC CHURCH for their LOVE of God that they have expounded onto me and my wife through Catholic Charities of providing me with Food and Iam not a member of that Denomination or any denomination ornon denomination. I am a member though a citizen of Heaven where the true tabernacle is and worship there the one that God built and gave this to all that believe hebrews 8 real clear here. And the Love he gave is his type of Love found in 1 Cor 13, therefore we condemn no one and if we claim to love as God does and only love those that ove us we are no better than the heathen for they do the same. Hoping the haters of others get it now and stop the hating and start the Love of God asking forthios love to be implanted into each of us for this type of Love is unnatural to mankind and when one has it it is the sign of Born again in the Spirit of God
 

homwardbound

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break it down and explain to me what this means. please!
Jeremiah is not even talking catholics are any denomination it isking to Israel at that time and is a partof the Old Covenat which was never given to the gentiles and all the prophets and Law are filled in Christ done over finito, finished accomplished we have better promises today for the law was a shadow of the good things to come with much better promises that by belief in the finished work of Christ at the cross God the Father through the Holy Ghost comes to reside in you installing his love the 1 cor 13 kind of love that is unnatural for mankind to have, Gory halleluah you all!!!!! we are under a new Covenant to day Hebrews 9:15-17
 

homwardbound

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He decided to laugh in one post.

i'm not saying anyone is or is not going to hell.

i'm accused of hate and condemning people to hell.

Without the Messiah we are condemned.

To call Him Lord we do the things he Says.

He taught to Keep and Teach the Commandments.

Which are:

Exodus 20



He said to:

Matthew 22



Doing that which Heavenly Father deems abominable is not Loving Him.
He taught that the greatest of the Law was to LOVE first Father (GOD)and the second was like the first your neighbor as self and he added to that later and said love your neighbor as I (Jesus speaking) LOVED you.
So tell me how many sins did Christ die for? Are there any left for you? are you today being Judged by God? Who is the accuser? you see loveme1 God just you me, and the whole world at the cross he took away all sin by fullfilling the Law and Prophets for you me and all that come to belief
[h=3]Matthew 5:17[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Fulfillment of the Law[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Then he went out showing what the Moses was and has done since no one couold fulfill it and even said that if yord causes you to sin cut it off better for part of you to go to Heaven than all of you to go to Hell. Jesus showed us all our inability to full fill the Law of Moses. The disciples saw this being with him and asked him well then Jesus how is it possible for anyone to go to heaven? Jesus said it is impossible for man!!! But it is possible with God. Now Sister he was talking about him going to the cross and die to bring in a new Covenant (WILL). So whenhe died tha tis exactly waht was brought in was and is today a new Covenant Hebrews 9:15-17
Then after the resurrection we are to go to God for our resurrection of a new life in him with the Holy Ghost as our guide to whatever the Father says just as Jesus did wahtever the Father said he did. We are to be born again no longer under the Law
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:16Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.
John 1:17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all
Acts 11:23When he arrived and saw what the grace of God had done, he was glad and encouraged them all to remain true to the Lord with all their hearts.
Acts 13:43When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked with them and urged them to continue in the grace of God.
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Romans 1:5
Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.
Sister there lots more scripture concerning Grace, Grace is a pardon from God for us to appreciate so much that our response is to trust him to Love his type through us us old self dead and out of the way
Now Law is not mentioned as to be under it and there are scriptures that say we are no longer under the Law, as in the letter
Now we are under Law here in this world and if you are caught speeding the Law says you are to be punished there is no mercy under Law Sister Law and punishment go hand in hand. Being freed from Law is MERCY from God so tell me how areyou going torespond to this amazing salvation through belief? I know how I did once I saw this





 

homwardbound

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Heavenly Father does not want us to partake in abominable worship.

We are to worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

The catholic church is not of Him.

It is deceiving you if you believe you can continue abominable things and Love Him.

Loving Him is doing what is pleasing to Him.

Do not let a religion come between you and your Creator.

Read the Bible from beginning to end for yourselves and learn of Him.
Have you been hurt by the Catholic Church Sister?
 
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Wow! I just woke up and came to see what else has been said. Homewardbound, you've been a busy man!! lol God bless you brother. Love IS what its all about. Amen
 

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Ok but what about those tribes in countries that have never had communication with anyone. Are you telling me they're doomed, even though they have never heard the Gospel or heard of Christ? I will never agree that God will just let them burn for not having access to the Gospel! That is NOT the God I know. And this is another problem with sola-scriptura.

I wonder how many people believe that God will abandon these people in the judgement. I'm out of this conversation. God bless
I found a good write up on it....

Question: "What happens to those who have never heard about Jesus?"

Answer:
All people are accountable to God whether or not they have “heard about Him.” The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11). The problem is that the human race is sinful; we all reject this knowledge of God and rebel against Him (Romans 1:21-23). If it were not for God's grace, we would be given over to the sinful desires of our hearts, allowing us to discover how useless and miserable life is apart from Him. He does this for those who continually reject Him (Romans 1:24-32).

In reality, it is not that some people have not heard about God. Rather, the problem is that they have rejected what they have heard and what is readily seen in nature. Deuteronomy 4:29 proclaims, “But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.” This verse teaches an important principle—everyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. If a person truly desires to know God, God will make Himself known.

The problem is “there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God” (Romans 3:11). People reject the knowledge of God that is present in nature and in their own hearts, and instead decide to worship a “god” of their own creation. It is foolish to debate the fairness of God sending someone to hell who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel of Christ. People are responsible to God for what God has already revealed to them. The Bible says that people reject this knowledge, and therefore God is just in condemning them to hell.

Instead of debating the fate of those who have never heard, we, as Christians, should be doing our best to make sure they do hear. We are called to spread the gospel throughout the nations (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 1:8). We know people reject the knowledge of God revealed in nature, and that must motivate us to proclaim the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ. Only by accepting God’s grace through the Lord Jesus Christ can people be saved from their sins and rescued from an eternity apart from God.

If we assume that those who never hear the gospel are granted mercy from God, we will run into a terrible problem. If people who never hear the gospel are saved, it is logical that we should make sure no one ever hears the gospel. The worst thing we could do would be to share the gospel with a person and have him or her reject it. If that were to happen, he or she would be condemned. People who do not hear the gospel must be condemned, or else there is no motivation for evangelism. Why run the risk of people possibly rejecting the gospel and condemning themselves when they were previously saved because they had never heard the gospel?
 
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May I suggest you work on that log in your own eye, brother, and never mind what anyone else is doing, much less the Catholics. Is your denomination, whatever it might be, above reproach? There are hundreds, even thousands of other protestant denominations that would say NO to you. Does your church have a history that includes mistakes? If you think not, maybe it's simply because it has no history - the Catholic Church has been around for 2000+ years; yours hasn't. God Bless you all the same my friend.
i am non denominational simply a child of God and there is no log. If you want to ignore the truth thats between you and God.
 
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jonrambo

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Did Mary not give birth to the Lord? Please, show me how you know that the Catholic Church tried to make it illegal to read the bible! Or are you just listening to somebody else who hates the Church? And where's your backing to the claim that the Jesuits are "the most evil organisation on planet earth?" Why is it so easy for you to say such evil things about people who devote their whole lives to God? Whose being tricked by the devil? Jesuits Being in control of the illuminati? hahaha How do you know so much about the most secretive organisation in the world? I gave you the truth mate. Simple as that. You have no excuse
mary was a sinner just like you and me mate. NOTHING more. The pope is not Jesus representative on earth and anybody that claims that is by scripture the antichrist. I could go all day but maybe just do a bit of research and have a pray about it.
I pray God reveals the truth to me every day and he has baught me a long way. Check out the vid below
 
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7seven7

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mary was a sinner just like you and me mate. NOTHING more. The pope is not Jesus representative on earth and anybody that claims that is by scripture the antichrist. I could go all day but maybe just do a bit of research and have a pray about it.
I pray God reveals the truth to me every day and he has baught me a long way. Check out the vid below
God did NOT choose a sinner to use as a vessel for His Only Son! He chose a vessel worthy of carrying the Devine. A sinless and pure vessel. God bless. And I praise God for bringing you a long way and pray that He continues to work in you. Amen.
 
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7seven7

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i am non denominational simply a child of God and there is no log. If you want to ignore the truth thats between you and God.
No log? really?
 
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Tintin

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This is something I will not agree with you on. The Bible says that the only one without sin was and is Jesus Christ (the one who was/is fully man and fully God). God blessed Mary through the Holy Spirit. Part of the divine miracle is the fact that one without sin grew within the womb of one sinful but blessed human being. Mary wasn't without sin. None of us are.

God did NOT choose a sinner to use as a vessel for His Only Son! He chose a vessel worthy of carrying the Devine. A sinless and pure vessel. God bless. And I praise God for bringing you a long way and pray that He continues to work in you. Amen.
 
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mary was a sinner and the popes not jesus representative. so many good christians have been tortured and murdered by the papacy and i would be proud to be one of them so long as i am able to do some damage to satans trap before then :)

Always trust God and his word. Never trust man. Dont trust me. Pray about it and if you are humble im sure he will help you
 
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i have had plenty of logs in my eyes dont you worry but they are mostly gone. maybe a couple of specs left.