For then shall be great tribulation

[nathan3]

The Bible is Clear. Satan aka The Antichrist,will be cast out on this earth and his angels with him ( rev 12: 9 ) in the very near future,. to deceive this world( 2 thess 2 ). Anyone not aware of that fact as written; alive during that time here, will no doubt fall into that deception hook line and sinker. Because if you have not read, Satan is supernatural , Created by God, and he was a protecting cherub. he is a sales man, but hes no joke, he is supernatural, and people will not be mentally prepared for it, because they neglect God's words. God will use Satan to accomplish God's will. And it will test the people, to see if they will wait and follow the true Christ, or Satan. That event will take place as its written to the letter.

 

[Therapon]

Because the elect will not accept the mark of the beast, they will be forced underground.The elect will be unable to buy or sell.

That has been that true condition of Christians and Jews in the Middle East ever since Islam gained control of the area. Bible prophecy is not ethnological, it is ethnographic. Bible prophecy is not about China, Australia, Europe, Russia or the Western Hemisphere, it is only about the part of the world as known to the Prophet.

 

[CDavid]

The Bible is Clear. Satan aka The Antichrist,will be cast out on this earth and his angels with him ( rev 12: 9 ) in the very near future,. to deceive this world( 2 thess 2 ). Anyone not aware of that fact as written; alive during that time here, will no doubt fall into that deception hook line and sinker. Because if you have not read, Satan is supernatural , Created by God, and he was a protecting cherub. he is a sales man, but hes no joke, he is supernatural, and people will not be mentally prepared for it, because they neglect God's words. God will use Satan to accomplish God's will. And it will test the people, to see if they will wait and follow the true Christ, or Satan. That event will take place as its written to the letter.

So, are you setting aside provisions for this time to come?

 

[Therapon]

wrong answer, quit

Fortunately brother, you are incorrect. Scripture tells us there will be many antichrists, but one big bad dude we'll know as "The Antichrist?" No such personage can be found in the Bible! If I've missed it somehow, show me. Oh, there are many verses we interpret to be about the Antichrist, but no direct Scriptural support.

 

[Therapon]

The Bible is Clear. Satan aka The Antichrist,will be cast out on this earth and his angels with him ( rev 12: 9 ) in the very near future.

No sir, it is in the past and here is Scripture that proves it . . .

Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out" (of heaven).

So Satan was cast out of heaven at the time of the Cross!

 

[peterT]

The Bible says its only going to be 5 months from what I read. And its going to be a time of peace. that is why its so deceiving the Bible warns. The dooms dayers have deceived the people. The Elect will be helped of God. They will be fine, they already know what's going down. I would worry about weather you have that seal of truth, to know whats going on, as its written; yourself. We should be learning the Bible everyday, being careful not to perpetuate the confusion.

Rv9:1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The fifth angel sounded This is one of the plagues that come upon the wicked people for 5 months that are not sealed, it’s just one of the trumpet plagues NOT the whole tribulation.


and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (3 ½ years) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them, this is how long the tribulation is nathan3 not 5 months.

Rv13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[nathan3]

So, are you setting aside provisions for this time to come?

no . Well. let me think about it.. If i don't want to take part in the system, that is headed by Satan, because I would be worried about taking part in something that had anything to do with Satan when Christ is so close to arriving.

I may want to have a month or two supply of food on hand. or some gold on hand .But gold is expensive, jewelry . God will be very active with people that know the truth at that time. so I would be praying. God can protect you wherever you are.

But its only 5 months. So if you did really see a need, I would at least have food on hand for close to 4 months on hand at anytime. I geuss

 

[nathan3]

No sir, it is in the past and here is Scripture that proves it . . .

Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out" (of heaven).

So Satan was cast out of heaven at the time of the Cross!

That's not good enough, really it falls way too short. These are warnings in Luke 10 : 18

John is warning this evil spirit of Satan, is already working its confusion here on earth. But he never showed up defacto, yet.

 

[nathan3]

PeterT

Your post is mixed up. You mention the 3 and a half years, but you never mention Christ shortening that time in Mark 13, Luke 21 and Matthew 24.

You leave out the 5 months mentioned in Revelation 9:5 . Did it says they would be tormented over 3 years ? No it says 5 months, because Christ, Himself shortened that reign of Antichrist Remember, He knows he has but a short, time. 3 years is not short, but 5 months is.( REv 12: ). That torment is the minds of people loosing their faith in the true Christ over that 5 month reign of Satan.. And your out of order in some places too.

 

[Therapon]

That's not good enough, really it falls way too short. QUOTE]

Well, I'm sorry the words of Jesus are not "good enough" for you. I'm just an old man who happens to trust the Bible above the doctrines of men.

 

[nathan3]

That's not good enough, really it falls way too short. QUOTE]

Well, I'm sorry the words of Jesus are not "good enough" for you. I'm just an old man who happens to trust the Bible above the doctrines of men.

What im trying to show, is Satan did not, set up a world government and lead it as a God. it just did not happen yet.. Satan did temp Christ on earth. But Satan's truth rule did not take place yet. his evil spirits is running all over this world now, But he is not here in person yet to cause the great apostasy Christ God, and His apostles warned about. What im saying is dont work in time lines into something that has not happened yet. Or you will be perpetuating deception . You got to leave everything where it is, and take it for what it says. There is no need to enterpret something that God says will happen.


We have to listen to the Letter He sent us. if we ignore it, and make it complicated and change it. it will not be any use to anyone. But Satan will use the confusion that results to his advantage for that 5 months

 

[Blain]

You know guys, god is leading me somewhere with this whole end times thing. All i know is that when he reveals to me the truth i am seeking and what is really happening here most of you will refuse to believe it. If you think about it god has shown the world countless of signs but we refuse to believe them and ask for another sign, is it a mere coincidence natural disasters are rapidly becoming worse all over the world? was the twister of fire and river of blood i mentioned an everyday situation? Famine is going on all over the globe, there are rumors of war too. Do you think god is trying to say something here? Are we really that blind? This is why i seek the truth, not other ppls beliefs or opinon. Until god himself gives me a revelation and reveals the truth to me i have much research to do. But when he does like i said most of you will not accept it

 

[peterT]

No sir, it is in the past and here is Scripture that proves it . . .

Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out" (of heaven).

So Satan was cast out of heaven at the time of the Cross!

The devil did not come down or be cast unto the earth at the cross for a short time and persecuted the church for 3 ½ years.

Its future prophecy (the prince of this world cometh ) its talking about the future (the man of sin) and as ye have heard (that antichrist shall come)

Its talking about the last 3 ½ years, the last 42 months, the last 1260 days, the last time, and times, and half a time.

Rv12:6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

[Elizabeth619]

You know guys, god is leading me somewhere with this whole end times thing. All i know is that when he reveals to me the truth i am seeking and what is really happening here most of you will refuse to believe it. If you think about it god has shown the world countless of signs but we refuse to believe them and ask for another sign, is it a mere coincidence natural disasters are rapidly becoming worse all over the world? was the twister of fire and river of blood i mentioned an everyday situation? Famine is going on all over the globe, there are rumors of war too. Do you think god is trying to say something here? Are we really that blind? This is why i seek the truth, not other ppls beliefs or opinon. Until god himself gives me a revelation and reveals the truth to me i have much research to do. But when he does like i said most of you will not accept it

God doesn't go around giving other people revelations. There is ONE Revelation. It is the vision of John. That is all we need.
You can also seek the truth if you read the bible and rely on the bible. Not conspiracy theories.

 

[nathan3]

It's really not as complicated as its being made out to be. Rule of thumb. If God interprets something for you; Don't touch it.
When He says Satan will come, He means just that. Anyway I'm off for the day.

 

[Therapon]

What im trying to show, is Satan did not, set up a world government and lead it as a God. it just did not happen yetThere is no need to enterpret something that God says will happen.

In my opinion, sir, you're confusing what man says God's Word says with what God's Word actually says.

That Satan is going to set up a world kingdom under Antichrist cannot be found anywhere in the Bible! If I have missed it somehow, show me chapter and verse.

 

[CDavid]

There are those who teach, there will be a rapture of the church. There are those who teach; "There is no coming Antichrist scripturally. Antichrist is the bogus invention of a Jesuit priest in 1591." There are those who teach the tribulation is only going to be 5 months, and not 7 years. There are those who teach, the tribulation is something that has already happened, that all of Revelation applied to the time in which it was written.

We all must use sound discernment. We must question all teachings, and compare them to scripture.
We must also ask ourselves; which if any of these teachings aid us in preparing for the worst case scenario. Which of these teachings, will best prepare the bride for the time of Christs return? Or, do these teachings place us in a spirit of slumber?

I am certain that Satan wants us to believe, neither he nor the antichrist are real. I sometimes wonder how many people, who expect the rapture to come before the antichrist, will be deceived into following the antichrist. (Paul said in 2 Thess. that antichrist comes first.) I wonder if those who believe the tribulation will last only 5 months, will have enough oil for their lamps. (5 months is hardly enough time to cause all people great and small to receive the mark of the beast.) Because it is only now, in this generation, that technology has reached the point that such a mark or number as mentioned in Revelation, could possibly be employed, I must question how anyone could believe the great tribulation is a thing of the past. The return of Christ will definitely come upon those, who accept these teachings, as a thief in the night.

 

[doulos]

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Which of the only 4 verses in Scripture that use the term antichrist or antichrists (quoted above) supports the view that antichrist is an end time world leader?

I understand many believe it to be because of what John said in 1 John2:18 when he said “ye have heard that antichrist shall come’. Sadly many fail to realize John also told us exactly who/what that antichrist was in 1John4:3 when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come”

 

[Therapon]

God doesn't go around giving other people revelations. There is ONE Revelation. It is the vision of John. That is all we need. You can also seek the truth if you read the bible and rely on the bible. Not conspiracy theories.

Exactly so and dispensational eschatology is one of the greatest "conspiracy theories" of all time. Unfortunately, that deception has become so ingrained in the Western Church, that through it, the enemy has just about killed any new research into the book of Revelation.

When people today pontificate on eschatology, it's rarely on what the Bible says, more likely what some savant says the Bible says. They have understood a verse they are quoting from their doctrinal position for so long, they don't even realize they are just repeating some other person's opinion.

 

[jb]

I'm just an old man who happens to trust the Bible...

But who just has problems correctly dividing the word of truth, especially prophetic truth and so ends up with prophetic delusions...