Sovereignty of God and Moral Responsibility of Man

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nilE: "That mind which is set by the unregenerate nature is rebellious, insubordinate and spiritually powerless." (Ro 8:7).

The hostile mind which has been set by the unregenerate nature cannot please God (Ro 8:8
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Indeed, man cannot please God, nilE, but God 'resets' his mind, in His timing, drawing him near to Him, through whatever means and channel He pleases, to SHOW Himself to unregenerate, degenerate man, who is NO good, until He takes on God for His righteousness. :)
That is not according to the NT.

There are only two natures in the NT, the unregenerate and the regenerate.

The mind is set by the nature.

To "reset" the mind, God must "reset" the nature.

There is only one other nature to which to "reset" it, and that is the regenerate nature.

And there is only one meaning in the NT of the regenerate nature, rebirth by the Holy Spirit.

And there is only one meaning of rebirth in the NT, it is into eternal life in the family of God, as a son and co-heir with Christ.

The NT does not allow for the kind of "resetting" which you describe.
 
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Sense to whom Elin?
The mind led of the natural man?
Or the mind led of the Spirit?
Big difference

You told me your ideology was straight from the bible, that's what you said
I don't do "ideology."

Straight from Scripture is: ""and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

Two for the price of one: multiple persons in the one being of the Godhead, and union of Godhead and manhood in Jesus of Nazareth.

That is the real stumbling block in Christianity. . .to Jews, Moslems, Unitarians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians.
And it is from misbelief of this revelation that the other supposed problems in the gospel arise.
When you understand that God became man, the other difficulties are removed.
The enfleshment of God in Jesus of Nazareth makes sense of everything else in the NT.

"and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

The Son of God is the Word of God, and the Word was God.

That Jesus was the Son of God means that he was God.

"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life." 1John5:13
Jn 29:31 - "These things are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

The Son of God is the Word of God. . .and the Word was God."

Thus John clearly establishes that Jesus was God.
 
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What is 'saving faith'?
Saving faith is faith in the blood of Jesus (Ro 3:25).

I brought up 'faith in Him' , but what exactly does 'saving faith' mean, and, where in Scripture are those words or words that speak that is needed
as opposed to just the plain ole word, 'faith,' to stand for 'saving faith.'
Okay, give an example of where "faith" does not refer to sotoriology.

Sotoriology is salvation, faith in the NT refers to the faith that saves.

'Saving faith' seems redundant to me. One who is saved will have faith. :)
But not all faith saves.

The faith of Hindus does not save.

"Saving" faith is faith in the blood of Jesus.
 
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Saving faith is faith in the blood of Jesus (Ro 3:25).
From a simply search of 'faith in', I was lead by Scripture to the conclusion that it is faith in Christ Jesus which saves. Perhaps, you meant that the confidence we place in Him in that He has done what He said He did and He will do what He says He will do is the saving faith? Did He not do more than just die? A saving faith would seem to be a faith placed in the full work of the Son, not in just one part of that work.

Perhaps Romans 3:25 states that He is the propitiation for those who through faith accepts the Son as their appeasing sacrifice? Of course, I know I am wrong and you will correct me.
 
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I think the sinners prayer is just a condensed way to lead a person to salvation.

Romans 10:9-13
9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. 11 As the Scriptures tell us, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced." 12 Jew and Gentile are the same in this respect. They have the same Lord, who gives generously to all who call on him. 13 For "Everyone who calls on the name of The Lord will be saved."

Amen,.. But what many fail to realize is that it is impossible for one to "believe, call upon, confess, repent, obey, have faith" in The Lord apart from Him enabling us to do so. He is Sovereign over us, we are fallen before Him. One simply cannot fulfill the duties required to be saved unless God the Holy Spirit gives what is necessary[: Soli Deo Gloria, to God alone be the glory. Man, in his deprived state, always wants to glorify himself in any way possible in his mind. This is how people are led to glorify themselves by saying "I chose to accept Christ",.. They give themselves glory by putting themselves in control of the decision to be saved. God is in control, ultimately sovereign over His creation and forever present with it[: this is faith that no one can posess except by the sovereign will of God the Father, through His Son, by His Holy Spirit.

As for our moral responsibility, we are responsible to live by the faith He can granted us. When we don't live by it and sin, we are held accountable, though Christ atoned for us, we still suffer the consequences. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is etern life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 6:23). So, we may suffer the first death (physical) as concequence for our sin, but the second death (spiritual) has no hold on us.
 
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I don't do "ideology."

Straight from Scripture is: ""and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

Two for the price of one: multiple persons in the one being of the Godhead, and union of Godhead and manhood in Jesus of Nazareth.

That is the real stumbling block in Christianity. . .to Jews, Moslems, Unitarians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians.
And it is from misbelief of this revelation that the other supposed problems in the gospel arise.
When you understand that God became man, the other difficulties are removed.
The enfleshment of God in Jesus of Nazareth makes sense of everything else in the NT.

"and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

The Son of God is the Word of God, and the Word was God.

That Jesus was the Son of God means that he was God.


Jn 29:31 - "These things are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

The Son of God is the Word of God. . .and the Word was God."

Thus John clearly establishes that Jesus was God.

As you have completely ignored the plain wordss of scripture put to you, and just come back with your own reasoning as to what some verses mean there is nothnig to be gained from this.


The real stumblingblock in Christianity is not what you believe it is, but the following

Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision(ie law) why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the crosss has been abolished
Gal5:11

The offence of the cross, was not the title of Christ, but people in their hearts wanting a righteousness of their own.

So Elin, if the revelation is needed to believe Jesus is Son of God PLUS God Himself, did Jesus not realise that?
He said the truth had been hidden from the wise and learned and revealed to little children
But Jesus directly stated only the Father was the one true God, he said that very plainly, he never once stated I am God Himself, as you have previously stressed to me many times
There is no verse of scripture in the entire bible that plainly states Christ is God Himself as you havew in the past repeatedly stated, so on this we agree
So if this revelation is needed and is the core of the Christian faith, why did neither Paul, Peter, James, or John plainly state in their letters, Christ is God Himself, and eternal life hinges on believing it?
After all, we are discussing what to you is the core of the faith. So why didn't they plainly tell their readers Christ was God Himself and eternal life hinged on believing it?
Only two reasons that I can see. Either they were not blessed with the spiritual insight you and others are today
Or
They hopelessly let down their readers by not plainly informing them of the core of the Christian faith and the belief on which eternal life hinged. Which do you think is true?
My guess is you will simply ignore the question

Christ spoke the perfect words of God on this earth, he said just what the Father told him to say. And he said, we must believe he is the son of God, not God Himself. John laid it out absolutely plainly(1John4:5&1John5:13) Can't get any plainer than that

So either Christ and John are wrong, or some of you on this website are.
I'll tell you where the problem is. If you were led of the Holy Spirit on this issue, and not the theological mindset of man, you would easily understand why Christ commanded people to believe he was the Son of God and not God Himself unto salvation, but you are not led of the Spirit over this in your heart are you, and thereby in truth you refuse to accept the requirement of belief Christ himself laid down unto salvation. The Holy Spirit could never lead anyone into that

This is the problem for many on these websites, it is all head theology, and the swathes opf writing of theologians and scholars they bring forth to support theire views. Such a cold Christianity, one where the mind of man is the bottom line, the Holy Spirit is hardly ever mentioned

But its handy for you people is it not that it is not stated in the bible you must believe Jesus is God Himself unto salvation, for that means what stirs and excites you the most can come into play, all that studying you revel in doing, to extrapolate the word(as you see it), and the words of scholars and theologians to end up contradicting the words of Christ and his requirements when he walked this earth. The average churchgoer would never make the huge errors some do on the internet, for they have not made a god out of head doctrine, which some do who study because they revel in studying, nothing excites them as much as studying.
 
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True but that is only to you and everyone else who believes Jesus and God are one.

But many do not understand how Jesus and God are one. Jesus himself tells us this in John 17:

That they(the believers) may be one AS we are one

How could you and I be one Greenice?
Coud you be me or I you? Could you be Mark54 or me Greenice? No!
But we could be of one heart and one mind in the Spirit, that is the only way that we can be as one

And as Jesus said:
That they may be one AS we are one.

But of course, the theological mindset of man obviously refuses to accept once again the plain words of Christ, as do many(not you though I am glad to see) on websites such as these as to the requirement of belief unto salvation.
They are blind guides leading the blind sadly
They beloieve they know much but as Paul said:

The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
1Cor3:21
 
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I don't do "ideology."

Straight from Scripture is: ""and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

Two for the price of one: multiple persons in the one being of the Godhead, and union of Godhead and manhood in Jesus of Nazareth.

That is the real stumbling block in Christianity. . .to Jews, Moslems, Unitarians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians.
And it is from misbelief of this revelation that the other supposed problems in the gospel arise.
When you understand that God became man, the other difficulties are removed.
The enfleshment of God in Jesus of Nazareth makes sense of everything else in the NT.

"and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

The Son of God is the Word of God, and the Word was God.

That Jesus was the Son of God means that he was God.


Jn 29:31 - "These things are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

The Son of God is the Word of God. . .and the Word was God."

Thus John clearly establishes that Jesus was God.
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Well lets get the plain word as to whether you are right Elin, John clearly establishes Christ is the one true God, and therefore this must be believed for a person to inherit eternal life. I won't give you any theology of verses, just the plain word directly related to the subject

Firstly, who must as person believe Jesus to be to inherit eternal life?

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life
John3:16

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day
John6:40

If anyone believes Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God(they are saved)
1John4:15

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the son of God that you may know that you have eternal life
1John5:13

So it is firmly established WHO a person must believe Christ to be in order to inherit eternal life. No warnings that only by believing Jesus is the one true God will you not err into false religion. Guess John didn't know as much as some do on the internet!

How does John sum up what he has written?
But these are written, that you might believe thast Jesus is the Messiah the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in HIS NAME(the Son of God) John20:30

Strange chap John if you are right, it has been established iby him that Christ is God Himself, but he states a person is to believe Jesus is the son of God to inherit eternal life frequently. Why is that? Why are he and Christ failing in their duty to inform people they must believe Christ is the son of God AND God Himself unto salvation?

Lets move on. John lived with Christ on earth for three years, yet he said

No one has seen God(the one true God) AT ANYTIME
1JOHN4:15

wHAT DID Jesus say directly relating to who is the one true God and eternal life hinges on believing?
Now this is eternal life(note what constitutes eternal life) that they may know you(the Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD) and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John17:3
This is consistent, a person is not required to believe Christ is God Himself, but simply the son of God unto salvation

What did Jesus say as to whether the Father was greater than he?

The Father is greater than all John 10:29
The Father is greater than I John 14:28

Of course, although all those quotes came from John's books, you believe he firmly established in them Christ is the one true God. I don't have to do theology here, just give you the plain word.

Of course I know it means nothing to you, for you do man made theology, you must, for the Holy Spirit cannot contradict the requirement Christ laid down as to belief as to who he is unto salvation by adding to it
If He did, in Trinitarian terms the word of God contradicts the Spirit of God, God then contradicts God and the belief collapses

To be honest with you, and it is just my opinion, I took an interest in your threads of late, because I thought you explained the basics of what you were diuscussing well, however, once you moved beyond the absolute basics you struggled. I needn't go over again past contentious issues on this thread.
And to be honest Elin, I am not sure uyou fully understand the Gosepl of Grace Paul was given to preach
But if people extrapolate scripture to the point of contradicting the plain words of Christ untop salvation by refusing toi accept the requirements he laid down by adding to them, they can never expect to understand much pof importance, and I do not claim BTW to understand much myself, but I do understand the basics what is required belkief unto salvation.
Jesus said:
I praise you Father Lord of Heaven and earth because you havbe hidden these things for the woise and learned and revealed them to little children. Yes Father, for this is what you were pleased to do
Luke10:21

What I believe is simple and does not depend on the wise and learned to extrapolate scripture to the point it contradicts the plain word, and in effect tells people they wioll be condemned on the day of judgement for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth


Burt as Paul said
The Lord knows the thoughts of the wiose are futile
1Cor3:21
There is nothing to be gained by continuing this, so many on these websites are lost in a world of head theology and a belief in what they think they have learnt in and of themselves and the scholars and theolotgians they so avidly follow.
 
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[TD]Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)

Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ

Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by His self alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him,My Lord and my God!

Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8,9 - But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”
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What I believe is simple and does not depend on the wise and learned to extrapolate scripture to the point it contradicts the plain word, and in effect tells people they wioll be condemned on the day of judgement for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
Is Jesus equal to God ? Do these verses contradict the plain Word ... or is it possible that you lack understanding of the manner and means in which God humbled Himself for our sake ? Did God make so great a sacrifice on our behalf .... or did He delegate the task to someone other than Himself ?

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
 
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From a simply search of 'faith in', I was lead by Scripture to the conclusion that it is faith in Christ Jesus which saves. Perhaps, you meant that the confidence we place in Him in that He has done what He said He did and He will do what He says He will do is the saving faith? Did He not do more than just die? A saving faith would seem to be a faith placed in the full work of the Son, not in just one part of that work.

Perhaps Romans 3:25 states that He is the propitiation for those who through faith accepts the Son as their appeasing sacrifice? Of course, I know I am wrong and you will correct me.
Yep, you can count on that. . .just as the unregenerate nature sets the mind in hostility, rebellion, insubordination and spiritual powerless to please God (Ro 8:7-8).

But what you say is Biblical.

I would simply point out that you can have faith in Jesus as a moral leader and teacher, and you can faithfully follow his moral teachings as the way to get to heaven, but that is not saving faith.

Saving faith is in his propitiation for your sin, which forgives your sin, and is salvation.
 
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I don't do "ideology."

Straight from Scripture is: ""and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

Two for the price of one: multiple persons in the one being of the Godhead, and union of Godhead and manhood in Jesus of Nazareth.

That is the real stumbling block in Christianity. . .to Jews, Moslems, Unitarians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians.
And it is from misbelief of this revelation that the other supposed problems in the gospel arise.
When you understand that God became man, the other difficulties are removed.
The enfleshment of God in Jesus of Nazareth makes sense of everything else in the NT.

"and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

The Son of God is the Word of God, and the Word was God.

That Jesus was the Son of God means that he was God.


Jn 20:31 - "These things are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

The Son of God is the Word of God. . .and the Word was God."

Thus John clearly establishes that Jesus was God.
As you have completely ignored the plain wordss of scripture put to you,
I dunno'. . .it's the words above that seem plain to me, and which you are ignoring.
and just come back with your own reasoning as to what some verses mean there is nothnig to be gained from this.
I dunno'. . .the words above are pretty clear, and don't require any additional reasoning.

The real stumblingblock in Christianity is not what you believe it is,
Well, it's certainly a stumbling block for you. . .
 
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Yep, you can count on that. . .just as the unregenerate nature sets the mind in hostility, rebellion, insubordination and spiritual powerless to please God (Ro 8:7-8).

But what you say is Biblical.

I would simply point out that you can have faith in Jesus as a moral leader and teacher, and you can faithfully follow his moral teachings as the way to get to heaven, but that is not saving faith.

Saving faith is in his propitiation for your sin, which forgives your sin, and is salvation.
So faith in Christ is not enough for a faith which saves?
 
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I don't do "ideology."

Straight from Scripture is: ""and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

Two for the price of one: multiple persons in the one being of the Godhead, and union of Godhead and manhood in Jesus of Nazareth.

That is the real stumbling block in Christianity. . .to Jews, Moslems, Unitarians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians.
And it is from misbelief of this revelation that the other supposed problems in the gospel arise.
When you understand that God became man, the other difficulties are removed.
The enfleshment of God in Jesus of Nazareth makes sense of everything else in the NT.

"and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh."

The Son of God is the Word of God, and the Word was God.

That Jesus was the Son of God means that he was God.


Jn 29:31 - "These things are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

The Son of God is the Word of God. . .and the Word was God."

Thus John clearly establishes that Jesus was God.
Well lets get the plain word as to whether you are right Elin, John clearly establishes Christ is the one true God,
John clearly ]establishes that. . .the Word was God. . .the Word became flesh in Jesus of Nazareth.

John clearly establishes multiple persons in the one Godhead, and

the union of the Godhead and manhood in Jesus of Nazareth.
 
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Is it faith in his propitiation for your sin (Ro 3:25), which forgives your sin, and saves?
That is indeed one part of the whole

For God so love the world that whosoever believes in Him.........

That propitiation is a perpetual sacrifice for those who HAVE PLACED their faith in the Son of God....

Without that faith, there would be no propitiation for that one, no forgiveness of sins, no salvation.....

It is my faith in Him which allows His sacrifice to be my propitiation.....
 
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That is indeed one part of the whole

For God so love the world that whosoever believes in Him.........

That propitiation is a perpetual sacrifice for those who HAVE PLACED their faith in the Son of God....

Without that faith, there would be no propitiation for that one, no forgiveness of sins, no salvation.....

It is my faith in Him which allows His sacrifice to be my propitiation.....
Not if your faith in him does not include faith in his sacrifice as propitiation for your sin (Ro 3:25), which forgives your sin, and is salvation.
 
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Not if your faith in him does not include faith in his sacrifice as propitiation for your sin (Ro 3:25), which forgives your sin, and is salvation.
Hi Elin,

perhaps you misunderstood what you highlighted?

It is my faith in Him which allows His sacrifice to be my propitiation....


correction of that statement:

It is my faith in Him which makes His sacrifice to be my propitiation....
 
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Elin said:
cfultz3 said:
It is my faith in him which allows his sacrifice to be my propitiation.
Not if your faith in him does not include faith in his sacrifice as propitiation for your sin (Ro 3:25),
which forgives your sin, and is salvation.
Hi Elin,

perhaps you misunderstood what you highlighted?

It is my faith in Him which allows His sacrifice to be my propitiation....

correction of that statement:

It is my faith in Him which makes His sacrifice to be my propitiation....
No misunderstanding.

Not if your faith in him does not include faith in his sacrifice as propitiation for your sin (Ro 3:25), which forgives your sin, and is salvation.
 
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Self-taught...never...We have been given the Spirit of Truth to guide us into all Truth....I talk to others and where two or more are gathered, there Christ is also. This is Church, not some building.
That statement seems to be used a lot to show the authority for what one believes,
to show that one's understanding is always God-given and God-authorized.

There are multiple problems with that. . .the rational one first.
If those who make such claims are correct, then God contradicts himself, because among those who make these claims are understandings which are a direct contradiction to others' understandings, but all authorized by the Holy Spirit.

Secondly, Jesus made that statement at the Last Supper to his apostles (Jn 16:13), not to the whole church.
He promised that the Holy Spirit would guide his apostles into all truth about him,
guaranteeing their inerrancy as writers of Scripture and the foundation of his church (Eph 2:20).

But that was not a promise of inerrancy to all Christians.

And thirdly, if even what Paul said to the more noble Bereans was subject to measure against the word of God written to see if it were true (Ac 17:17),
then how much more is the believer's understanding to be measured against the word of God before it is accepted as true?

The believer has no promise from Jesus that his understanding will always be true and, therefore, authoritative for himself.
His understanding must be in agreement with Scripture, and where it is not, it is not Biblical.

Therefore, whatever understanding one thinks he has been given by the Holy Spirit is subject to measure against the word of God written.