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homwardbound

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At the very least, rocky or rambo or whatever lol At the very least, give me an educated argument. Answer those questions for me!
"How do I know that my Bible was correctly translated?"
"Does my bible have the correct number of books in both the old and new Testaments?"
"Is the interpretation of this or that verse the correct one?"
wickedshephards.com shows a lot of the mistranslations a good referance to all churches and all errors
 
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Graybeard

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I have wondered if Catholics are perhaps right, but what concerns me are some practices that appear to defy what is written in scripture, for example:

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Exo 20:4  Thou shalt [B]not make unto thee any graven image[/B], or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 
Exo 20:5  [B]Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them[/B], nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
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Deu 4:16  Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, [B]the likeness of male or female[/B],
Why have Catholics made statues of Jesus and Mary....and these are bowed down to.

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Mat 23:9  [B]Do not call anyone on earth your father[/B]; [B]for One is your Father[/B], He who is in heaven
Catholics call their priest Father....I don't get it.

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Jas 5:16  Confess your trespasses to [B]one another[/B],.....
so why do Catholic have a booth that they go into and confess their sins to someone they call "Father" and this they do in a booth so that it is secret??
 
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7seven7

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i don't believe you know what they are worshiping.
Its Because you're so un-informed, or mis-informed about us that you so wrongly believe all this stuff about us lol its as plain as day. loveme1, there is absolutely no bitterness in my heart toward you. If you don't agree with what we believe (which you quite evidently don't), that's fine and its none of my business. But, all I ask, is, PLEASE, don't accuse my brothers and sisters of being evil and being wrong, because there is NO WAY IN THE WORLD that you can be certain of that, and you're hurting them by showing so much anger and hatred toward them. My life was full of anger and hatred, and it got me nowhere. God bless, sister!
 

loveme1

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Its Because you're so un-informed, or mis-informed about us that you so wrongly believe all this stuff about us lol its as plain as day. loveme1, there is absolutely no bitterness in my heart toward you. If you don't agree with what we believe (which you quite evidently don't), that's fine and its none of my business. But, all I ask, is, PLEASE, don't accuse my brothers and sisters of being evil and being wrong, because there is NO WAY IN THE WORLD that you can be certain of that, and you're hurting them by showing so much anger and hatred toward them. My life was full of anger and hatred, and it got me nowhere. God bless, sister!

Where did i show anger and hatred?
 

homwardbound

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Have you learned the greek/hebrew meanings? You would have to learn the whole language to FULLY understand what was said in the Bible and in what context it was said. Good study Bibles? OK! How do you know that the study Bible is the right one to follow? The whole argument was about the Bible telling us that it is the sole rule of faith! Does it say this? I said EDUCATED ARGUMENT, brother. Show me where the Bible says that it is the sole rule of faith! Please.

St.Peter himself warned that the "ignorant and unstable" would "twist" the Scriptures "to their own destruction" (2Peter. 3:16). One fruit of private interpretation of the Bible has been the spawning of over 35,000 different Protestant denominations all claiming to be "Bible-believing", yet agreeing on little more than their anti-Catholic tenets. A person who builds his faith on private interpretation is akin to the fool in St. Matthew 7:24-27 who built his house on the grains of sand. As grains of sand tend to shift to the downfall of the house, so too do individual minds continually change the interpretation of Scripture to the downfall of faith. On the contrary, the wise man built his house on rock(kepha); likewise does the faithful Catholic build his faith on St. Peter (Kepha) and his successors!

Peace!
Hey youjust continue on your path to knowing God, you keepsifting everything through your heart asking Father truth as you hear and go here in this life, God himself desires to be your teacher under the new covenant that he put in place through his Son Jesus Christ the righteous one, and by believing in Christ you are in God the Father an dbeing in God the Father God the Father states this to you no l.onger to you need anyoone else to teach you, for I (GOD) am your teacher. When I read and heard this as I read I was elated that God gives through the cross direct access to him and have direct teaching from him by the Holy Ghost. And truth from error started seperating and I personally have been set free, but the world came against me and I have taken it knowing God just love me. Guess waht GOD JUST LOVE YOU ALL AS WELL, and it is God that gets each of us to stand re-read romans 14 itis much deeper that limiting it to food. Food was the problem at that time so itwas used to bring out truth. God has cleaned all things in and of itself, thereofre it is what I do with whatever I haveto keep it clean or not.
7seven7 poleasehear this and all the rest of you too. I think you all areloiving each and every one of you, but flesh is trying to take over and let us not over ride each others free will, one plants another waters, but it is God that gives the increase, not any of us, we are to plant and water and then leave it alone and love.
 

loveme1

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What i agree or disagree with is not relevant you will find i was sharing what is pleasing and not pleasing to Heavenly Father and the Messiah.

If this is hateful to you then you should ask yourself why hearing the Truth according to Scripture makes you feel the person is angry and hates what you believe.
 
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7seven7

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I have wondered if Catholics are perhaps right, but what concerns me are some practices that appear to defy what is written in scripture, for example:

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Exo 20:4  Thou shalt [B]not make unto thee any graven image[/B], or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 
Exo 20:5  [B]Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them[/B], nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
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Deu 4:16  Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, [B]the likeness of male or female[/B],
Why have Catholics made statues of Jesus and Mary....and these are bowed down to.

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Mat 23:9  [B]Do not call anyone on earth your father[/B]; [B]for One is your Father[/B], He who is in heaven
Catholics call their priest Father....I don't get it.

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Jas 5:16  Confess your trespasses to [B]one another[/B],.....
so why do Catholic have a booth that they go into and confess their sins to someone they call "Father" and this they do in a booth so that it is secret??
There are answers to your question here, brother, and I will be more than happy to answer them for you. Just not tonight lol I'm real tired and they're going to be pretty lengthy, so I will answer them tomorrow for you. Peace
 
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7seven7

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What i agree or disagree with is not relevant you will find i was sharing what is pleasing and not pleasing to Heavenly Father and the Messiah.

If this is hateful to you then you should ask yourself why hearing the Truth according to Scripture makes you feel the person is angry and hates what you believe.
Wow, talk about twisting it around. The fact that you have tried so hard to tell me that alot of what i do is against God, and not understood fully what I believe, is in itself bitterness toward my religion, therefore toward me because it is me you're talking to. OK, maybe not hateful, but bordering spiteful. Nonetheless, not nice. I wasn't born yesterday, sis. I know bitterness when I see it.
 
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carey

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I come from a family of irish catholics, my mother in law is catholic, they pass around a picture of the Pop and Mary from house to house, they kiss the picture and place it on a shrine, also when you pray the rosary you are worshipping, because prayer is an act of worship. And the popes first mission is to lay flowers at the feet of a statue of mary, how is this not an act of worship?? To think otherwise is purely hardening your heart against truth
 
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Donkeyfish07

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I come from a family of irish catholics, my mother in law is catholic, they pass around a picture of the Pop and Mary from house to house, they kiss the picture and place it on a shrine, also when you pray the rosary you are worshipping, because prayer is an act of worship. And the popes first mission is to lay flowers at the feet of a statue of mary, how is this not an act of worship?? To think otherwise is purely hardening your heart against truth
Glad you got out of that kinda thing sister. God Bless
 

loveme1

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Wow, talk about twisting it around. The fact that you have tried so hard to tell me that alot of what i do is against God, and not understood fully what I believe, is in itself bitterness toward my religion, therefore toward me because it is me you're talking to. OK, maybe not hateful, but bordering spiteful. Nonetheless, not nice. I wasn't born yesterday, sis. I know bitterness when I see it.
7seven7, at this time you may believe i'm bitter and my goal is to speak against the catholic church.

May the day come when you know i was not bitter and spoke for Heavenly Father and the Messiah.

I would do you more wrong by not offering the Truth.

If you choose to believe i'm hateful and angry and misinformed then i think no less of you.

who am i that anyone should listen to? i share freely for His Glory and if it is not then so help me God.
 

homwardbound

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Carey, I have argued these EXACT same points in earlier forums. Please read the Catholic Church's position on all these. And PLEASE! INQUISITION? Do you not know about the Protestants killing Catholics in England for not following their way? Come on Carey, there's evil in EVERY Church. Including the Catholic. But Her teachings are sound if you allign them all together. Believe me! I really wouldn't be here otherwise. When I was saved last year, I almost converted to SDA, until I researched all the Catholic Churches positions on all the SDA's accusations about Her. Have there been evil people in the Catholic Church? OF COURSE! AND THERE STILL IS!! But the Church as a whole is NOT evil. It is so beautiful! You can really see Christ's work being done in the Catholic Church. Do you know how many missionaries She has? Do you have ANY IDEA how much good She does in this world? Or will you all just keep concentrating on Her human flaws? If so, then you must see the same in the other Churches too, because they are ALL GUILTY!!
1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
Hebrews 8:6But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
Galatians 3:20A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

Here brother is anyone else in the way any denomination pastor, sister, friend. In other words whenever you hear of this and or that like as you searched out the SDA and Chose Catholic oiver them and realise that all Churches have error Touche!
So then therefore no matter what you where yo go what place you worship at if anyone or anything gets between Christ and you look out because the devil would be at the door, acting and presenting himself as an angel of light to decieve anyone it can. first we do the next verse
Matthew 16:24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.
Matthew 10:37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
The above would go to all things here on earth, so brother please refrain from loving anything here on earth more than God himself through Christ
John 14:6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Now is there anywhere in scripture that says though ones Church when Church is noit actually in the new testament the word Church is a mistranslation from the original greek word ECCLESIA. Ecclesis mans the called out ones noit a building and the word Chirch means building. So 7seven7 beone in the Spirit of God and if God is caling you here or there there is a reason for it for I know God has got a plan and I am eleated over the fact that I heard oyu say you believe in Christ as your personal Savior, so I know God has got the reins, and please do not give those reins to self,a church a fellowship,a friend a wife or noone thanks Christ is your only mediator between you and Father
 

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I come from a family of irish catholics, my mother in law is catholic, they pass around a picture of the Pop and Mary from house to house, they kiss the picture and place it on a shrine, also when you pray the rosary you are worshipping, because prayer is an act of worship. And the popes first mission is to lay flowers at the feet of a statue of mary, how is this not an act of worship?? To think otherwise is purely hardening your heart against truth
Somebody will say you are angry and hateful now. (Anger and hate are big evils in themselves among those who follow the commandments of men.) Scripture has another testimony:

Ps.5

[4] For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
[5] The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
[6] Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Ps.7


[11] God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Ps.119

[104] Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore Ihate every false way.
[128] Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.
 
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jonrambo

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mums family are irish catholics too. angry angry people. at christmas dinner im all like THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU! and they are all like hissing and throwing gravy everywhere

seriously tho they are pretty angry. my grandpa told me he was going to kill me when i was 16 lol
 

loveme1

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mums family are irish catholics too. angry angry people. at christmas dinner im all like THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU! and they are all like hissing and throwing gravy everywhere

seriously tho they are pretty angry. my grandpa told me he was going to kill me when i was 16 lol
you really are a rambo :)
 
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jonrambo

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just a humble movie buff sis lol im hitting the sack catch you in the morrow God bless!
 

loveme1

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just a humble movie buff sis lol im hitting the sack catch you in the morrow God bless!
Believe it or not there was a time i got called rambo..... :)

Peace and Blessings

God willing we will converse soon.
 

homwardbound

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Its Because you're so un-informed, or mis-informed about us that you so wrongly believe all this stuff about us lol its as plain as day. loveme1, there is absolutely no bitterness in my heart toward you. If you don't agree with what we believe (which you quite evidently don't), that's fine and its none of my business. But, all I ask, is, PLEASE, don't accuse my brothers and sisters of being evil and being wrong, because there is NO WAY IN THE WORLD that you can be certain of that, and you're hurting them by showing so much anger and hatred toward them. My life was full of anger and hatred, and it got me nowhere. God bless, sister!
This is for us all and I hear you 7seven7 trying to say this and let you be and love you as you are trying to say to the rest
1 Corinthians 1:10[ A Church Divided Over Leaders ] I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
 

loveme1

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This is for us all and I hear you 7seven7 trying to say this and let you be and love you as you are trying to say to the rest
1 Corinthians 1:10[ A Church Divided Over Leaders ] I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
Heavenly Father says those that Love Him Keep His Commandments.

The division comes when people refuse the Truth in favour of the lie.

i'm not going against Heavenly Father or the Messiah, because that is not love.