lol. Ok, You follow ZOne. I will follow God..
now. are you going to answer the questiuon I asked you or continue to ignoire it..
he's not following me
though i agree with most of what he wrote - so? LOL.
(i disagree that God didn't elect SOME from israel). they wrote the NT.
you're not following God, EG.
you're dishonoring Him.
denying Christ fulfilled and accomplished Israel's salvation (He never lost One that was His).
you got some other christ and some other gospel going on.
ya just do. ya just don't seem to care.
"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation... If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation that the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion that claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."
-John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood TN: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150.
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If the church is fulfilling Israel's promises as contained in the new covenant or anywhere in the Scriptures, then [dispensational] premillennialism is condemned.
Promise to Israel -
"Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be
measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You
are not My people,' There it shall be said to them, 'You are sons of the living God.' -Hosea 1:10
Fulfillment the church -
"What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much
longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the
riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even
us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" As He says also in Hosea:
"I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved."
"And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There
they shall be called sons of the living God." -Romans :22-26
Promise to Israel -
"Then I will sow her for Myself in the earth, And I will have mercy on her who had not obtained
mercy; Then I will say to those who were not My people, 'You are My people!' And they shall say,
'You are my God!'" -Hosea 2:23
Fulfillment in the church -
"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that
you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now
have obtained mercy." - 1 Peter 2:9-10
Promise to Israel -
"On that day I will raise up The tabernacle of David, which has fallen down, And repair its
damages; I will raise up its ruins, And rebuild it as in the days of old;" -Amos 9:11
Fulfillment in the church -
Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His
name. "And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: 'After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I
will set it up; So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD, Even all the Gentiles who are
called by My name, Says the LORD who does all these things.' "Known to God from eternity are
all His works. -Acts 15:14-18 In the same manner there are many Old Testament passages
referring to Israel that are in the New Testament applied directly to the church.
Spoken to Israel -
"And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and
your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see
visions. And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those
days. "And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of
smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the
great and awesome day of the LORD. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name
of the LORD Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As
the LORD has said, Among the remnant whom the LORD calls." -Joel 2:28-32
Applied to the church -
When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place..."But this
is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your
young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on
My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. I will show
wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. The
sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and
awesome day of the LORD. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the
LORD Shall be saved.' -Acts 2:1,16-21
Spoken to Israel -
'And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words which you
shall speak to the children of Israel." -Exodus 19:6
Applied to the church -
"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that
you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;"
-1 Peter 2:9
Spoken to Israel -
"My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people."
-Ezekiel 37:27
Applied to the church -
"And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God.
As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall
be My people." -2 Cor 6:16
Spoken to Israel -
"Speak to all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say to them: 'You shall be holy, for
I the LORD your God am holy." -Lev 19:2
Applied to the church -
"but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, "Be
holy, for I am holy." -1 Peter 1:15-16
Spoken to Israel -
"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house
of Israel and with the house of Judah--" -Jer 31:31
Applied to the church -
"Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood,
which is shed for you." -Luke 22:20
The New Covenant
The New Covenant is particularly problematic for the dispensationalist, as Jeremiah 31 is undeniably addressed to Israel. The New Covenant is the very heart of the Gospel, yet if the church is fulfilling the promise given to Israel under the New Covenant, dispensationalism is dead.
Ryrie, in his early writings, makes this significant statement:
If the church does not have a new covenant, then she is fulfilling Israel's promises, for it has been clearly shown that the Old Testament teaching on the new covenant is that it is for Israel. If the church is fulfilling Israel's promises as contained in the new covenant or anywhere else in the Scriptures, then [dispensational] premillennialism is condemned. One might well ask why there are not two aspects to the one new covenant. This is the position held by many premillennialists, but we agree that the amillennialist has every right to say of this view that it is a practical admission that the new covenant is fulfilled in and to the church.19
Dispensationalism has used various arguments to get around this insurmountable problem. Perhaps the boldest was
the concept of two New Covenants.
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