Can a born again Christian ever lose his salvation? - By Terry Watkins
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There is no more sacrifice or shedding of blood and christ died for the sins of the whole world at the cross. That is where it was all done
there is no where in the new covenat after the death of that nayone has for any further forgivenss after recieving the forgiveness provided at the cross, nowhere ot be found after the death. Not one disciple ever said that they needed more forgiveness after the reception of christs forgiveness thathe gave them in this new covenant there is no ongoing forgiveness as their was in the Old Covenant year after year they had to sacrifice, never sould be made perfect for they were reminded of their sins and had to sacrifice which never could purge their conscience of sin
there is no where in the new covenat after the death of that nayone has for any further forgivenss after recieving the forgiveness provided at the cross, nowhere ot be found after the death. Not one disciple ever said that they needed more forgiveness after the reception of christs forgiveness thathe gave them in this new covenant there is no ongoing forgiveness as their was in the Old Covenant year after year they had to sacrifice, never sould be made perfect for they were reminded of their sins and had to sacrifice which never could purge their conscience of sin
So then Tommy how is that we have this I agree about quit sinning but what if you do or I and or anyone else
1 John 2:1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
I am so glad that i have an advocate that I can trust in that I am forgiven because I do not know as I have grown to say no to sin but Tommy I do not know ever if I will sin tommorrow or not I can not predict the future, I know that God is out ahead of me taking carer of tommorrow and I trust God for this as well but just as John said I write this to you so that oyu won't sin but if you do we have an advocate already their in place tha tis making constant intercession for us
1 John 2:1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
I am so glad that i have an advocate that I can trust in that I am forgiven because I do not know as I have grown to say no to sin but Tommy I do not know ever if I will sin tommorrow or not I can not predict the future, I know that God is out ahead of me taking carer of tommorrow and I trust God for this as well but just as John said I write this to you so that oyu won't sin but if you do we have an advocate already their in place tha tis making constant intercession for us
God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked that's why He is sent Jesus Christ to be the propitiation of our sins so that those who believe in Him will not perish but have everlasting life, however those who reject Him and continue in their sins will face eternal punishment. God is no respecter of persons.
Once again you misinterpret a passage to promote an abominable doctrine. God's name is already great among all nations but it doesn't mean everyone is/will be saved.
^ There you have it; the typical reaction of a Universalist when someone exposes their belief as error. You, Sir, have an ulterior motive here. You undermine the seriousness and consequence of sin and you don't have the love of God in you whatsoever by attempting to deceive people with such heresy!
There is a place where unbelievers will be eternally separated from God. If everyone will eventually be saved these passages would be irrelevant.
Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Matt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matt 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
2 Thess 1:8-9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: [9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
That is God's word which you clearly have a problem with, so you are calling Him a monster with sadist prevalences, not me. Repent!
Once again you misinterpret a passage to promote an abominable doctrine. God's name is already great among all nations but it doesn't mean everyone is/will be saved.
^ There you have it; the typical reaction of a Universalist when someone exposes their belief as error. You, Sir, have an ulterior motive here. You undermine the seriousness and consequence of sin and you don't have the love of God in you whatsoever by attempting to deceive people with such heresy!
There is a place where unbelievers will be eternally separated from God. If everyone will eventually be saved these passages would be irrelevant.
Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Matt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matt 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
2 Thess 1:8-9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: [9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
That is God's word which you clearly have a problem with, so you are calling Him a monster with sadist prevalences, not me. Repent!
If any believer says that they have not sinned since they have been saved the they just did. Because it's a lie. You never got angry for no reason, you haven't lied. Even the apostle Paul admitted it (Romans 7). However, when we realize our imperfection, we must repent quickly. Cause pobody's nerfect .
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Or we could just strive for perfection in the eyes of God, which He didn't make impossible for us. Striving for perfection would mean ALOT less sinning, therefore ALOT less time asking for forgiveness, leaving alot more time for thanking Him for everything He gave me, instead of just sinning constantly and not stressing about it because "we're forgiven anyway!" Come on, man! It doesn't work the way you're telling me you think it does. That's just a cop out! Easy way out. Life in Christ was never meant to be easy. BEAUTIFUL! but not easy in this world.
Miss starfield,
it is obvious that you liked me tortured with burning sulfer until I confessed heresy and subsequently be killed like in the spanish inquisitions of a long gone century!
But that don't impress me much! (I'm even inclined to give in to your strange pleasures).
But those times are over. We are living in the 21st century now. Come to your senses, please!
it is obvious that you liked me tortured with burning sulfer until I confessed heresy and subsequently be killed like in the spanish inquisitions of a long gone century!
But that don't impress me much! (I'm even inclined to give in to your strange pleasures).
But those times are over. We are living in the 21st century now. Come to your senses, please!
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BTW dear Miss starfield,
You must distinguish between our body, our brain and the Holy Spirit. What else is there?
Our body can be burned with sulfer for a while (which may feel like eternity), I agree, but eventually it dies and rotts. So does our brain. What remains is the Holy Spirit. Surely the Holy Spirit cannot be burned with fire or bothered with anything, because It belongs to the Father.
So, what do we have to fear? To die a painful death, like Jesus Christ at the cross? No, I don't fear that, rather I look forward to it!
That's why all your threats don't impress me much! Sorry to say Miss starfield you are wrong (but I admire your steadfastness (or is it stiffneckedness?)). You are young. Please read the Holy Bible in its entirety several times in your hopefully long life and then you will know!
You must distinguish between our body, our brain and the Holy Spirit. What else is there?
Our body can be burned with sulfer for a while (which may feel like eternity), I agree, but eventually it dies and rotts. So does our brain. What remains is the Holy Spirit. Surely the Holy Spirit cannot be burned with fire or bothered with anything, because It belongs to the Father.
So, what do we have to fear? To die a painful death, like Jesus Christ at the cross? No, I don't fear that, rather I look forward to it!
That's why all your threats don't impress me much! Sorry to say Miss starfield you are wrong (but I admire your steadfastness (or is it stiffneckedness?)). You are young. Please read the Holy Bible in its entirety several times in your hopefully long life and then you will know!
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Well, it's like this . we are to try to sin less every day. But that doesn't mean we are not going to sin at all. This is why God said," if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." this discussion about "Can a true born again Christian lolse salvation will go on until we die or the Lord returns. Every one believes differently about the Bible. There are those that are going to believe you can lose salvation. and those that believe(like myself) that you can't. I hope I didn't offend anyone by what I have said. Satan wants the scriptures argued. God don't . God bless you all. savedsince14 .
What is noit easy is leaving the flesh behind, the thoughts of for as a person sows(thinks) so shall they reap, think flesh and reap flesh, and in thinking flesh even if you are thinking I am not going to go this sin or that sin that is exactly what one will do and does. Then if you do really good at refraining from that sin you get proud and or boastful and guess what? Yepright back in the mire
This is why God is after us all to see truth and what I just posted above is truth do you agree?
Well this is why God called us toa new life in God through his Son. This is done forst by seeing that as you already said we are already forgiven you are 100% correct, and once you finalize that you see that there is no more forgiveness, you are forgiven and that is when you can recieve the new life which I see that you have already gotten, now move onto perfection trusting god 100% all the time knowing he just love you. It is by faith in the finished work of Christ that you are translated to the Father and praising and thanking soooooooooo! busy in this that there is no time for sin and if we do we have:
1 John 2:1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
Hebrews 7:27Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Romans 6:10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
Hebrews 9:12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
Hebrews 9:26Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 10:1[ Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All ] The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
No more working by the Law. It is by Faith that produces true works and these works are God's Love working by Faith through the believer and this type of love is found in 1Cor 13 and is unnatural to the flesh this is why the cross needs finalization oyu are forgiven by Christ then one can move onto the new life of LOVE
This is why God is after us all to see truth and what I just posted above is truth do you agree?
Well this is why God called us toa new life in God through his Son. This is done forst by seeing that as you already said we are already forgiven you are 100% correct, and once you finalize that you see that there is no more forgiveness, you are forgiven and that is when you can recieve the new life which I see that you have already gotten, now move onto perfection trusting god 100% all the time knowing he just love you. It is by faith in the finished work of Christ that you are translated to the Father and praising and thanking soooooooooo! busy in this that there is no time for sin and if we do we have:
1 John 2:1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
Hebrews 7:27Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Romans 6:10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
Hebrews 9:12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
Hebrews 9:26Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 10:1[ Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All ] The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
No more working by the Law. It is by Faith that produces true works and these works are God's Love working by Faith through the believer and this type of love is found in 1Cor 13 and is unnatural to the flesh this is why the cross needs finalization oyu are forgiven by Christ then one can move onto the new life of LOVE
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Thank you Brother; it reminds me how I am supposed to be acting. And when I don't behave properly, I don't really worry I will loose my salvation over it. When I do notice it or the Holy Spirit convicts me, I repent and then I ask for forgiveness. And guess what? God forgives me every, single time. I am a lucky Kid! God's kid. Whose name is written in the Lambs Book of Life right this very minute! 
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Thank you Brother; it reminds me how I am supposed to be acting. And when I don't behave properly, I don't really worry I will loose my salvation over it. When I do notice it or the Holy Spirit convicts me, I repent and then I ask for forgiveness. And guess what? God forgives me every, single time. I am a lucky Kid! God's kid. Whose name is written in the Lambs Book of Life right this very minute!
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Thank you Brother; it reminds me how I am supposed to be acting. And when I don't behave properly, I don't really worry I will loose my salvation over it. When I do notice it or the Holy Spirit convicts me, I repent and then I ask for forgiveness. And guess what? God forgives me every, single time. I am a lucky Kid! God's kid. Whose name is written in the Lambs Book of Life right this very minute!