The Return of Jews to Israel

[eternally-gratefull]

lol exactly...They are basically adding to the Bible, which is a definite offense to God and his word.

this is no worst than people subtracting from the bible.

when in the history of Isreal were they returned as two nations made one? When after they returned did they have one king? and when after they returned did they live in peace? No longer follow their idolotry and lawlessness? I can;t find it, can you show me?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you tell me when exactly all the nations were brought to the valley of Jehoshaphat, and the sun and the moon were darkened, and the sun no longer shone, only it seems clear from scripture that at this time Israel will/or have been restored to their own land, and no foriegner will again invade the land
Thanks

They can't, because it has never happened. So they have to make an allegory of this prophesy. to make it appear to come true..

 

[PeteWaldo]

what does that have to do with anything? And I am leaning away from it.. but would it matter?? You don't believe "all Isreal (national" will be saved when God said they will.. so who cares about the rapture?

You claimed you don't follow a man, yet the pre-trib rapture rests at the feet of John Nelson Darby - the "father of modern dispensationalism and futurism" - via Margaret McDonald and Edward Irving. No honest futurist that has bothered to investigate, will try to pretend that 19th century John Darby isn't responsible for the 7-year tribulation, pre-trib rapture, rebuilt temple, pre-millennial, eschatological scheme as held in the futurist church today. In other words, while you may not have realized it, you follow a man. If you still doubt that, try reconciling Darby's pop-eschatology with the Gospel. Why on earth do you think Herod's temple was torn down? The fact is that Jesus built His/our temple in 3 days, just as He said He could:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

I ask the same of you: 1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

Fellow citizens with the saints, in the whole household of God, both on this side of the kingdom and the other.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

The one true tabernacle that the Lord pitched and not man:

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Indeed, God doesn't dwell in temples made with hands:

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

The Messiah, Jesus Christ, having built His temple in three days, while ushering in His kingdom in the first century, through His crucifixion, death and resurrection:

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

I will remain humbly honored as my brother John's companion in the kingdom of Jesus Christ:

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

That is a definite article "the" before kingdom (as well as "the" before tribulation) in the Koine Greek. ONE kingdom. ONE tribulation.
The kingdom of Jesus Christ is, and will remain, specifically not of this world:

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

In reading the above verses why would you desire to:

1. Exclude Jews from the new covenant?
2. Cheer on a restoration of the old covenant that waxed away?
3. Suggest that Jesus' one sacrifice for sins forever was somehow so insufficient, incomplete and unfinished, that a resumption of animal sacrifices in the future would be appropriate or sanctified for any reason?
4. Take salvation through the Gospel away from Jews when it was specifically given to the Jew first?
5. Denigrate the temple that Jesus built in three days, by cheering on a future physical temple, made with hands?
6. Believe that God would dwell in a temple made with hands?
7. Believe such a temple could ever be consecrated, to then be desolated, when our high priest is seated in the true tabernacle that the Lord pitched, and rules in His kingdom today?
8. Reject the kingdom of Jesus Christ that arrived in the first century, to cheer on some future kingdom on earth, when Jesus told us His kingdom is specifically not of this world?

The answer to all those questions boils down to John Darby's 19th century interpretation of the figurative language of Daniel's Old Testament prophetic dream?

Sound doctrine must obviously begin with literal verses in literal passages that are not open to interpretation, before even beginning to try to interpret, the figurative language of dreams and visions in prophecy.

Jesus IS everlasting righteousness:

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Not only that, Daniel's book was sealed until the "time of the end". Either you must believe that time began in the early 19th century, or that John Nelson Darby's eschatological scheme must be false. Since the Scofield Reference Bible popularized John Darby's dispensational/futurist eschatological scheme in the 20th century church, as it is still held today, let's look at Scofield notes on Daniel's "time of the end":
"The "time of the end" in Daniel. The expression, or its equivalent, "in the end," occurs, Daniel 8:17-19; 9:26; 11:35,40,45; 12:4,6,9.
Summary:
(1) The time of the end in Daniel begins with the violation by "the prince that shall come" (i.e. "little horn," "man of sin," "Beast") of his covenant with the Jews for the restoration of the temple and sacrifice Daniel 9:27 and his presentation of himself as God; Daniel 9:27; 11:36-38; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 13:4-6 and ends with his destruction by the appearing of the Lord in glory. ; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation 19:19,20.

(2) The duration of the "time of the end" is three and one half years, coinciding with the last half of the seventieth week of Daniel. Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 13:5."

Do you think the 19th century was the last half of the 7-year tribulation? If not then please explain how Darby defeated the seal on the book of Daniel.

 

[PeteWaldo]

Oh yea, almost forgot. Does this have any meaning to you?
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

 

[Drett]

That's the problem with trading historical facts for imagination. They had a massive well trained cavalry.

".... according to one unidentified Arab, 'That army went through all places like a desolating storm.' sacking and capturing the city of Bordeaux, and then defeating the army of Duke Odo of Aquitaine at the Battle of the River Garonne — where the western chroniclers state, 'God alone knows the number of the slain'—[3] and Odo fled to Charles Martel, seeking help."
Internet History Sourcebooks Project
Battle of Tours - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since none of them had jobs, and thus Islam was little more than a massive, cutthroat, murderous theft ring, the army expanded rapidly with fellow reprobates, the farther it went. A problem was, like any theft ring, the larger it got the farther the stolen spoils had to be stretched.

What other army is trained to believe that if you are inadvertently killed while engaged in the act of imperialistic agression against peaceful peoples, that you will receive a reward of multiple virgins to defile, in the chicken and wine serving bordello of Muhammad's overactive imagination?
This is the same reason that young Muslim men travel to foreign countries to get engaged in foreign wars today - besides that anyone who doesn't - or at a minimum wishes in his heart of hearts that he was engaged in fighting non-Muslims - "dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite".


You can't drop a taqiyyah bomb and expect it to end there. You are as responsible and accountable before God for every word you put in this forum - as am I.



So we either have a Muslim in the forum engaging in taqiyyah, or someone in abject ignorance to history, that prefers being propagandized by a purveyor of taqiyyah rather than seeking out truth. We can hopefully clear some of the air early on. Since for a Muslim to confess that Jesus is the Son of God constitutes the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN, as opposed to child rape or cold-blooded mass murder which are forgivable:

1. Do you confess before the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and do you pray in Jesus name?
2. Do you confess that Jesus Christ was crucified, died, and was resurrected from the dead?

Now let's look at an Amazon note on the propaganda that you were brainwashed by:
"First published in 1934, this book "Islam at the Crossroads" was written as plea to the Muslims of that generation to avaoid a blind imitation of Western scoail forms and values, and to try to preserve instead their Islamic heritage which once upon a time had been responsible for the glorious many-sided historical phenomenon comprised in the "Muslim Civilization". But, as it happened, much of what the author had aimed at was subsequently misunderstood by the readers and leaders who failed to grasp the full implications of his call to cultural creativeness and to return to the true ideology of the Qur'an and Sunnah. This revised edition, it is hoped, would clarify something of the tragic confusion nowadays prevailing in the Muslim world. This is dedicated to the Muslim youth of today, just as the original 1934 edition was dedicated to the Muslim youth of those days."

Islamic heritage - guffaw! A "heritage" that didn't exist before Muhammad invented it in the 7th century.
A far better way to "the Muslim youth of today" would have been to point out to them that all of the Islamic so-called "tradition" that regards any notion of pre-4th century AD Mecca - that masquerades as 6,000 years of history - is nothing more than 7th to 10th century pure created fiction penned without reference to any actual history that preceded the 5th century AD - pure unadulterated poppycock. That was, at least this generation, could comfortably leave the false prophet Muhammad's antichrist cult, lay down their suicide vests, and come to Christ.
THE HISTORY OF MECCA

"Muslim civilization"??? That's an oxymoron! Today's violent Islamic reprobates are no different than those of the rest of its violent 1400 year history. I'll quote Winston Churchill:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live…The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities…but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa…and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899

Prophet words as Europe secularized, and today we watch Europe falling to Islamic hordes, without a shot being fired.
Falling Away or Apostasy


"So many battles, so little context" eigh? Please explain to us what the imperialistic forces of the First Islamic Jihad were doing in Tours France and Vienna Austria. This was of course after they conquered, subjugated and enslaved all of Arabia and the Middle East.

Like the beheading of the innocent Banu Qurayza Jewish farm boys, their dads and grandpas - who never struck a blow - after which raping their little sisters, moms, and grandmothers while selling the discards off into slavery for camels and swords, and stealing the fruit of their labor of generations:

Bukhari:V5B59N448 "They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"

All of the boys that exhibited pubic hair were beheaded.

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Book #62, Hadith #137)

It is obviously false doctrine (all of which is inspired by Satan) that would cause a person to jump to the defense of a cult - that is commanded to conquer all kingdoms, and subjugate all people, to DISbelieving the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God, and REJECTING His shed blood as articles of faith in Muhammad - with falsehood.
Why are you defending a violent imperialistic antichrist cult that is commanded to conquer and subjugate YOU to disbelieving, denying and rejecting the same, while also subjugating you to prostrating yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad?

Look at the evil that unsound doctrine duped these poor self-proclaimed Christians into getting involved with, during this great apostasy:
RELIGIOUS PLURALISM

Taqiyyah is a practice by Shia which make up 15% of Muslims. The label is most often used by people who want to ignore what a person states. Makes debating a lot easier when you just state the other person is a lying. It is dishonest form of debating. Oh well. You seem to have some anger issues which you need to address. I'll have a look through your what you have to say.

 

[Drett]

That's the problem with trading historical facts for imagination. They had a massive well trained cavalry.

etc etc etc

It seems to be all rubbish. Your bigotry seems to cloud you judgement. Life is too short to waste. I just finish off with the quote I used earlier which you have chosen to ignore.

"History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You claimed you don't follow a man, yet the pre-trib rapture rests at the feet of John Nelson Darby - the "father of modern dispensationalism and futurism" - via Margaret McDonald and Edward Irving. No honest futurist that has bothered to investigate, will try to pretend that 19th century John Darby isn't responsible for the 7-year tribulation, pre-trib rapture, rebuilt temple, pre-millennial, eschatological scheme as held in the futurist church today. In other words, while you may not have realized it, you follow a man. If you still doubt that, try reconciling Darby's pop-eschatology with the Gospel. Why on earth do you think Herod's temple was torn down? The fact is that Jesus built His/our temple in 3 days, just as He said He could:

People say the gospel is of faith alone in the work of Christ alone minus any works whatsoever. Guess that is of men. A church says this did not appear as theology until the reformation, and never was taught before.

Do you have anything pertinant to add to the discussion. or just base things on history and words of men.

In reading the above verses why would you desire to:

1. Exclude Jews from the new covenant?

Why would I desire it? Jews are people to. and God loves them as much as he loves me (A gentile) the covenant is for them too. Paul was one,, did he desire his people not be saved? He was willing to give up his eternity if they would reject him.. Does that make him a gentile hater??

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen[SUP][a][/SUP] according to the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who are Israelites

2. Cheer on a restoration of the old covenant that waxed away?

The old covenant will not restored. and why would anyone cheer for it? why don't people listen to what we say, instead of assuming they know what they believe.. your all prety much the same.

3. Suggest that Jesus' one sacrifice for sins forever was somehow so insufficient, incomplete and unfinished, that a resumption of animal sacrifices in the future would be appropriate or sanctified for any reason?

Never said it. never will.. Again, false accusations against a belief you do not understand,

4. Take salvation through the Gospel away from Jews when it was specifically given to the Jew first?
5. Denigrate the temple that Jesus built in three days, by cheering on a future physical temple, made with hands?
6. Believe that God would dwell in a temple made with hands?
7. Believe such a temple could ever be consecrated, to then be desolated, when our high priest is seated in the true tabernacle that the Lord pitched, and rules in His kingdom today?

If you do not wish to know what I believe, just state so. If you want to continue to believe I believe thigs will happen which I have NEVER stated is part of my belief (proving your spoonfed what people believe, which is why we need to get away from history) then continue to make false accusations.

8. Reject the kingdom of Jesus Christ that arrived in the first century, to cheer on some future kingdom on earth, when Jesus told us His kingdom is specifically not of this world?

Scripture said God would reign on earth. It does NOT IN ANY WAY TAKE AWAY FROM THE SPIRITUAL KINGDOM. this is a false twisting of things.. God said it will happen. i trust him. not words of men.

The answer to all those questions boils down to John Darby's 19th century interpretation of the figurative language of Daniel's Old Testament prophetic dream?

And this matters how? I do not follow Darby.. Your roman belief is not much better than his..

Sound doctrine must obviously begin with literal verses in literal passages that are not open to interpretation, before even beginning to try to interpret, the figurative language of dreams and visions in prophecy.

figurative language has always symbolised literal truths.

The 4 beasts of daniel literally did what Daniel prophesied they would do.. should not the 5th beast then also literally do what daniel was told he would do? or do we literally take what we can prove, and make symbols of what we can not? see the danger..

Jesus IS everlasting righteousness:

amen and amen, yet again, this is not the topic of discussion between us is it?

Not only that, Daniel's book was sealed until the "time of the end". Either you must believe that time began in the early 19th century, or that John Nelson Darby's eschatological scheme must be false. Since the Scofield Reference Bible popularized John Darby's dispensational/futurist eschatological scheme in the 20th century church, as it is still held today, let's look at Scofield notes on Daniel's "time of the end":
"The "time of the end" in Daniel. The expression, or its equivalent, "in the end," occurs, Daniel 8:17-19; 9:26; 11:35,40,45; 12:4,6,9.
Summary:
(1) The time of the end in Daniel begins with the violation by "the prince that shall come" (i.e. "little horn," "man of sin," "Beast") of his covenant with the Jews for the restoration of the temple and sacrifice Daniel 9:27 and his presentation of himself as God; Daniel 9:27; 11:36-38; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 13:4-6 and ends with his destruction by the appearing of the Lord in glory. ; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation 19:19,20.

(2) The duration of the "time of the end" is three and one half years, coinciding with the last half of the seventieth week of Daniel. Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 13:5."

Do you think the 19th century was the last half of the 7-year tribulation? If not then please explain how Darby defeated the seal on the book of Daniel.

1. Daniels prophesies were already comming true in his day (babylon and even media-persia)
2. Danield prophesies have literally been fulfilled (at least 90 % of them)

so if you want to believe what was not common until the 3rd century, feel free.

I will take God at his word. and believe he literally fulfills his prophesies.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh yea, almost forgot. Does this have any meaning to you?
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

lol.. Lets look at all my posts and show how I have said everyone from adam until the last man standing will be saved by belief in the redeemer (we know as Christ)

now do you want to figure out what I believe, or do as your sister does and continue to make false accusations against me?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It seems to be all rubbish. Your bigotry seems to cloud you judgement. Life is too short to waste. I just finish off with the quote I used earlier which you have chosen to ignore.

"History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.).

people do not get Islam is a far greater danger than judaism is.

Jews think gentiles are unclean and not worthy of their law.. so they could care less of the world follows them or not.

Islam will do whatever they can (kill whoever gets in their way) to force the world to believe their way.

you ever read about the islamic messiah?? and what they say about him?

 

[PeteWaldo]

Taqiyyah is a practice by Shia which make up 15% of Muslims.

All Muslims are licensed to lie, and deny they are Muslims, to save their own skin. Typically, the exact opposite of Christianity:

Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Try answering the following questions this time:

The label is most often used by people who want to ignore what a person states. Makes debating a lot easier when you just state the other person is a lying. It is dishonest form of debating. Oh well. You seem to have some anger issues which you need to address. I'll have a look through your what you have to say.

1. Do you confess before the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
2. Do you pray in Jesus name?
3. Do you confess that Jesus Christ was crucified, died, and was resurrected from the dead?

 

[Agricola]

It seems to be all rubbish. Your bigotry seems to cloud you judgement. Life is too short to waste. I just finish off with the quote I used earlier which you have chosen to ignore.

"History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.).

Despite what a book written nearly 100 years ago says, it is a well known long term strategy of islam to increase populations within non-islamic countries to a point where they can aggressively take over when they reach about 40% of the nations population.

The leader of Lybia. Gadaffi went on record a number of times saying that forceable conquest of EUrope was no longer possible, but it will be taken over by peacful means. We see that today.

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades." - Gadaffi

I also think you have swallowed the media lies over Sudan. for past decade the problems in SUdan have been on the whole portrayed as simply racist against blacks and nothing more. Wrong. The north of Sudan is populated by Muslims, backed by government, drove non-mulsims out of the North and uprooted thousands of villiages ,the people being moved on were almost entirely Christian

Now we have what Islam wanted to achieve, an islamic Nation of Northern Sudan which posesse all the wealth and industry of the old Sudan. The Christians who survived end up with dirt and desert in the new nation of SOuthern Sudan

Look also at Nigeria, very violent uprisings by Muslims to drive non-muslims out of regions, we now have point where large areas of that country are 100% muslim, will we see Nigeria split as well or will Muslims try to take the whole nation?

 

[wdeaton65]

Wow still on the special people thing. Ok you are not walid I am sorry. moving on can you tell all of us Pete how you could be from the tribe of Ephraim. thank you

 

[doulos]

Wow still on the special people thing. Ok you are not walid I am sorry. moving on can you tell all of us Pete how you could be from the tribe of Ephraim. thank you

Just curious why are you asking him that did he say was from the tribe of Ephraim?

 

[wdeaton65]

Yes in the thread I will look it up something about being part of the engraphed thing with Ephraim I will find the post just wanted him to explain what he meant.

 

[biggiestomp]

Where do you stand in Christ? Who do you say i am?, The Lord asked Peter. Our Lord also mentions, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21

 

[wdeaton65]

Hi doulos post 139 read it for yourself tell me what you think that means. I cant make heads or tails out of it

 

[PeteWaldo]

Taqiyyah is a practice by Shia which make up 15% of Muslims. The label is most often used by people who want to ignore what a person states. Makes debating a lot easier when you just state the other person is a lying. It is dishonest form of debating.

Let's see.

Oh well. You seem to have some anger issues which you need to address. I'll have a look through your what you have to say.

As I mentioned in the post in the other thread, http://christianchat.com/christian-...rgentina-iran-bombing-probe-4.html#post965518 it only recently occurred to me to check your profile:
I found:
"Spiritual Status:
not Christian
When saved:
Oct 2000
Country Flag/Nationality:
Australia
Country (Location):
Malaysia
Favorite Bible Verse:
The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don't follow their example. For they don't practice what they teach."

Taqiyyah is another name for Islamic subterfuge. Engaging in obfuscating and half-truths and omissions to advance false impressions to fool people.

For example, based on my answers to you in this forum, were you under the impression that I thought you were a Christian?
Have you told any Christians you were arguing with that you were not a Christian? It would make a big difference in how we exchange with you:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Please don't be discouraged by that verse because we can assure you that if you: Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

If you didn't believe I was deceived that way, then why didn't you simply answer my questions, and deny that you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that you reject His crucifixion and resurrection from the dead?

Even while you were yourself seem deceived about the concept - either that or lying about lying - you were engaging in taqiyyah. It wouldn't be the first time I've encountered that as I am fairly accustomed to chatting with Muslims. Perhaps you could understand it better as "dissimulation". Or engaging in half-truths, or intentional omissions to create false impressions.
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Comparative Index to Islam : TAQIYA; TAQIYYA; TAQIYYAH

I'm not saying you are a Muslim, but since your profile status is "not Christian" yet "When saved: Oct 2000" it would help the folks in this forum respond to you if you are a Muslim. Tailor our messages to you.

Do you believe the one true God of the scriptures - YHWH - would need His people to engage in dissimulation for Him?
Do you think Jesus - who IS truth - would need His followers to engage in dissimulation for Him?

If Christians knew had known you weren't a Christian, it would also be easier for us to understand, your rabid support for the purple "team".

So you can forget questions 1, 2 and 3 of the prior post as the answer is obviously that you do not confess that Jesus is the Son of God nor proclaim His crucifixion, death and resurrection from the dead, let alone pray in Jesus' name.

However I believe it would help us all - including yourself - if you answer as to whether you believe Muhammad was a false prophet.

 

[PeteWaldo]

If you prefer a private chat my friend, please feel free to PM me.

 

[zone]

Yup, i tend to take the ot prophecies literal. They were literally fulfilled concerning Christ no neeed to think they wont be concerning Israel's regathering as in Ezek 35-38 and elsewhere.

Ezek 35-38 is eternity - New Jerusalem - the hebrew is pictures. the pictures of of the future redeemer and eternal life.
it's the faithful jews and gentiles (christians/saints together) - The israel of God.

 

[zone]

For a Muslim to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even pray in Jesus' name, would be to commit the single-most egregious

same for jews.
they don't believe God has a Son either (except them, collectively).
they don't believe anything about the true Messiah.
and excommunication for any who do come to Christ.

judaism curses Jesus - the only unpardonable sin mentioned in scripture is the one the Pharisees committed. they still commit it today.

what yer point besides more heresy?