Prayer of Renunciation

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zone

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Zone, I can see you in the first century demanding proof that the Apostle Paul be a real apostle. You ever wonder if you might be making a mistake and going against a real man of God thinking he is a fake? That's what I think you are doing right now. I don't think he awes me or anyone the kind of proof you are demanding. I think you are making a huge mistake.
how DARE you compare Ellis Skolfield to Paul.

ellis is a pretender and a plagiarist
period.

ask me to prove it.

I'D LOVE TO.
 

zone

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Well, working with multiples isn't for everyone and sometimes the outcome isn't what you would like or are expecting. I remember one incident where this multiple lady told me her house was full of demons and could I help her? This is in the book, but I’m posting it here to show a couple of the basic principles of casting out demons.

elskon : Hello?
Summer : You gotta help me, elskon, I’m scared. I got demons all over the place, in the corners of my kitchen, my bedroom, living room, everywhere. I see them and so do my dogs and cats.
elskon : OK, Summer, Let’s see what can be done. Please hold the phone away from your ear and aim it in the direction of the most demons.

A rustling sound as she complies . . .

elskon : In the name of Jesus Christ who is come in the flesh, all evil spirits within the sound of my voice, you are commanded to leave this apartment, never to return.

Sharp intake of breath . . .

Summer : WOW!!!! OH WOW!!!! THEY’RE LEAVING, THEY’RE LEAVING!!!!!
elskon : Praise the Lord
Summer : Now you gotta get them out of me.
elskon : Well, it isn’t wise to drive your demons out over the phone, that’s not the best way to do it anyway.
Summer : OK, how?
elskon : Well, the best way is to find out what sins gave those demons access, then you need to confess and renounce those sins and command those demons to leave in Jesus’ name.
Summer : NO WAY!!! You are trying to force me to become a Christian.
elskon : No I’m not, I just don’t know anyone besides Jesus who has authority over those demons.
Summer : YOU ARE TRYING TO FORCE ME TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN!
elskon : No I’m not, but if those demons are driven out without getting rid of the reasons they are there, they’ll just come back worse than ever before. Listen to this . . .

I quote the appropriate scripture: Luke 11:24-26 “When the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds it swept and put in order. Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first.”

elskon : so if we cast them out without your turning to Jesus, in six months you’re going to be in worse shape than you are now.
Summer : YOU ARE TRYING TO FORCE ME TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN!
elskon : No I’m not, I just don’t know any other way to help you.
Summer : YOU ARE TRYING TO FORCE ME TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN!
elskon : Look, I don’t need to be involved at all. I’ll just e-mail you a prayer of renunciation. You can say it at your leisure.
Summer : YOU ARE TRYING TO FORCE ME TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN!
elskon : <sigh>

Summer was shouting so loud I was getting a headache. This continued for another few minutes, the final outcome being, I wasn’t able to do much and she broadcast all over the Internet that I refused to help her. Not really surprising. Many of those in unsavory lifestyles would turn from the road to freedom and then blame A Lighthouse for the muddy ditch they were stuck in. Multiples who were playing with the occult, witchcraft or Satanism had a lot of demons to contend with.
oh my God.

fun and games with the mentally ill online.
how wicked are you ellis?

unreal, man.
 
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doulos

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#43
how DARE you compare Ellis Skolfield to Paul.

ellis is a pretender and a plagiarist
period.

ask me to prove it.

I'D LOVE TO.
All right I’m asking you to prove it. When you can’t will you admit you bear false witness?
 
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danschance

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#44
how DARE you compare Ellis Skolfield to Paul.

ellis is a pretender and a plagiarist
period.

ask me to prove it.

I'D LOVE TO.

I never once compared Ellis to St. Paul. I said I can see you being so obstinate that you would demand proof of Apostle Paul's apostleship.

I am one of those who have been helped by people doing the same things eliis has done and he even wrote a book about it to help others. He is no liar. He is not bragging. He is not creating attention to himself. You on the other hand are like a yapping chicuahua waiting to score a nice bite on his ankle as soon as he turns his back to you. I call that sin on your part. You are way out of line here and you should apologize to him to make it right.
 
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GRA

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In the 100 or so multiples I knew, their multiplicity was caused by gross abuse while they were infants, usually beginning while they still in the crib. That abuse was of four types, either separately or in joinder . . .

1. Gross physical abuse
2. Mental abuse
3. Sexual abuse
4. Satanic ritual abuse (SRA)
Sometimes, satanic groups like the Illuminati use drugs to cause further splitting. I knew one multiple whose core had been split so many times that one of her her defending alters could no long identify her.
Satanic groups like the Illuminati start the splitting with drugs plus a combination of the four methods you have listed...
 
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danschance

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Satanic groups like the Illuminati start the splitting with drugs plus a combination of the four methods you have listed...

Good point. GRA, you seem to have some good knowledge on this. Have you been involved with this sort of work?
 
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GRA

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Good point. GRA, you seem to have some good knowledge on this. Have you been involved with this sort of work?
No - just somewhat "well-read" on the subject...

:)
 
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Therapon

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Satanic groups like the Illuminati start the splitting with drugs plus a combination of the four methods you have listed...
I worked with only one Illuminati programmed multiple, the rest became multiples in infancy by the four methods I suggested.
 
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Therapon

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#49
I never once compared Ellis to St. Paul. I said I can see you being so obstinate that you would demand proof of Apostle Paul's apostleship.

I am one of those who have been helped by people doing the same things eliis has done and he even wrote a book about it to help others. He is no liar. He is not bragging. He is not creating attention to himself. You on the other hand are like a yapping chicuahua waiting to score a nice bite on his ankle as soon as he turns his back to you. I call that sin on your part. You are way out of line here and you should apologize to him to make it right.
Brother, I really feel sorry for Zone. I love the brethren and try to help them and would help her too, if I could. I confess Jesus as my Savior, gladly declaring "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" and yet she states I am not her brother. If she's right, then we really need to pray for her.
 
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Therapon

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Therapon,

If I may ask, when an alter has merged was it out of the blue and by God's design or did you request that God do so? I have been priviledged to see this twice and in each case I saw God act independently. The alters seemed to know it was time and told me Good bye. Then ((POOF)), they were merged.

Is this how you recall it?
Well, I worked exclusively with Christian multiples. If they weren't saved initially, I tried to lead them to the Lord. If they would not come to Him, there wan nothing I could do. Early on I tried to work with the unsaved, but never successfully. I also made many mistakes, but after a few years with multiples I learned how best to relate to most problems.

Alters don't merge when they are not on the same page or have darkones. Also, the system cannot fully merge if there are any unsaved alters, if any are angry, unforgiving or in any way ungodly. After all the alters are in Jesus, have given all the sin, memories of abuse, bad thoughts towards each other and any other negative garbage in their hearts to the Lord, they can merge. I was usually involved, but can't post the the last couple of steps because of the possibility of misuse by some inexperienced person messing about in a system and doing harm.


 
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Look brethren, I am a true servant of the Lord Jesus who gladly declares, "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." I could be mistaken about something, sure. I'm human, but I don't tell lies or make up stories. If you think my posts questionable and want documentation on what I've been saying about multiples, read my book . . . Bible Prophecy - Ellis Skolfield

I came back on here to post a prayer that might help a multiple or a demon influenced person who might be on this forum and I find myself being interrogated. I don't understand it, aren't we supposed to be on the same team?
Those who do not know Satan plays them like Charlie McCarthy, are easy to spot…given enough time. I have a pack following me around the forum. Good work Brother.
 
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Therapon

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Those who do not know Satan plays them like Charlie McCarthy, are easy to spot…given enough time. I have a pack following me around the forum. Good work Brother.
I have my own "fan club," too. <wry smile>
 

jb

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A question for Therapon...
Do you teach that born again christians (persons washed in the blood of the Saviour) can be demon possessed?
 
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Therapon

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Do you teach that born again christians (persons washed in the blood of the Saviour) can be demon possessed?
Dr Paul G. Cully, medical missionary to the Philippines, Dean of the Colledge of Missions at Columbia Bible College and my mentor, had a whole trunkful of documentary evidence of born again Christians who were clearly still demonized. The job then was to lead them to freedom.
 

jb

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...born again Christians who were clearly still demonized...
When you say 'demonized' do you mean they were possessed, ie had a demon inside them?
 
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Therapon

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When you say 'demonized' do you mean they were possessed, ie had a demon inside them?
Demonized is actually the proper term for someone who is demonically oppressed or allows himself to be under demonic control.
 

jb

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Demonized is actually the proper term for someone who is demonically oppressed or allows himself to be under demonic control.
You haven't answered my question, let me rephrase it: where is the demonic activity coming from, is the demon inside the person or outside them?
 
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doulos

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You haven't answered my question, let me rephrase it: where is the demonic activity coming from, is the demon inside the person or outside them?

What difference does it make if the demon is internal or external? Regardless of whether the demon is internal or external if a person is demonically oppressed or under demonic control they still need to be rid of the demon that oppresses or controls them.
 
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carey

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#59
It really is amazing to me the amount of haters that come out when you try to shed light on dark areas, especially when it comes to demonic activity, same thing happened to me when I spoke of a cult that used Christian speech to draw people to them, they wanted names, dates, detailed examples, and much more! People call themselves Christians, but they can't accept a simple testimony, it's like they have the mentality of - since I wasn't there, I can't believe you -
Simply amazing!!
 
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Therapon

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You haven't answered my question, let me rephrase it: where is the demonic activity coming from, is the demon inside the person or outside them?
Thought I had, wasn't trying to avoid it. Like angels, but on the enemy's side, evil spirits are spiritual so they dwell in the spiritual world. According to 1Thes 5:23, man is body and soul and spirit. Our spirits are in the spiritual world, too, because that is what a spirit is, it is not corporal. So a denonized person's spirit is also in the spiritual world, where the demon attacks it. In a technical sense, the demon is not in the afflicted person's physical body, but attached to his spirit.