Who do you think Killed Jesus?

[zone]

WOW bloodline, again with the bloodlines. Here is something you dont know and well you wound not be taught this. Jer. 22;24-30 Every first year rabbi knows they are doomed when it comes to the Messiahs bloodline Jeconiah is cursed!!!!!!!! He is not in the bloodline of YESHUA and Mary was a ken to Elizabeth by marriage. all cohen are levites not all levites are cohen= PRIESTS I see a clear picture of one of the understandings of the seed of nachash in your words Domenic and crosspreacher do not teach things you know nothing about. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! NATHEN NOT SOLOMN LUKE 3;31

AHA! indeed.

so let's look at the Parallel 'religions' in play at the moment:

MARY (AND JESUS)

Luke 3
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
23Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,e the son of Neri, 28the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.


JOSEPH

Matthew 1
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
1The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

2Abraham was the father of Isaac, and Isaac the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3and Judah the father of Perez and Zerah by Tamar, and Perez the father of Hezron, and Hezron the father of Ram,a 4and Ram the father of Amminadab, and Amminadab the father of Nahshon, and Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5and Salmon the father of Boaz by Rahab, and Boaz the father of Obed by Ruth, and Obed the father of Jesse, 6and Jesse the father of David the king.

And David was the father of Solomon by the wife of Uriah, 7and Solomon the father of Rehoboam, and Rehoboam the father of Abijah, and Abijah the father of Asaph,b 8and Asaph the father of Jehoshaphat, and Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, and Joram the father of Uzziah, 9and Uzziah the father of Jotham, and Jotham the father of Ahaz, and Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, 10and Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, and Manasseh the father of Amos,c and Amos the father of Josiah, 11and Josiah the father of Jechoniah and his brothers, at the time of the deportation to Babylon.

12And after the deportation to Babylon: Jechoniah was the father of Shealtiel,d and Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, 13and Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, and Abiud the father of Eliakim, and Eliakim the father of Azor, 14and Azor the father of Zadok, and Zadok the father of Achim, and Achim the father of Eliud, 15and Eliud the father of Eleazar, and Eleazar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob, 16and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations.



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Must the Messiah be a descendent of Solomon?
Jews for Judaism

How did God take the kingdom from Saul? The right to the kingship terminated with Saul's death. No son of Saul ever sat on or had a right to the throne. But Solomon's descendants, with the exception of one branch of the family, would never lose their right to the throne. The punishment for disobedience would be chastening at the hands of men but not the termination of the monarchical right. It is God's unconditional promise that the posterity of David, specifically that of Solomon, will possess the kingship forever. God assures that there will always be a male of paternal Solomonic descent with the right to reign upon David's throne.

Must the Messiah be a descendent of Solomon? < click



Ichabod

thanks for the chance to post this again william.
zone

 

[zone]

ZON, I am not trying to put you down, or make you look like a a fool, or anything. I believe you are a good Christian, and very fortunate to be very intelligent, much more so than I. Reason this out:“If God did not have to inject Mary with a pure seed, why did he not use Mary’s husband Joseph to get her pregnant, and have the an angel tell Mary, “You are with child, and it is my beloved son“ Why did God have to put a seed in her that was not human? Jesus had to be a pure sacrifice. He could not be pure with human seed. Think this out. You know better than most, If we ask God to give us a clear understanding of something…he will.
I love you with my whole heart. I am not fighting you. As I have stated in the OP…I pray I am not reading Gods word wrong…I would rather die than spread Gods word wrong. Even one word of it.

Domenic, The Holy Spirit overshadowed the virgin and she conceived THE SON OF GOD.
GOD incarnate.
Emmanuel.

not because adam and eve has sex with animals.
repent, man.

seriously.

 

[GreenNnice]

The BUTLER made ohzone do it !!

It was the butler !! that made ohzone kill Jesus.

ohzone, are you guilty as charged ??

Or, just guilty as judged (by me) ???

C'mon, ohzone, it can't be both, pick one or the other or plead the 5th, too, is always an option

 

[zone]

The BUTLER made ohzone do it !!

It was the butler !! that made ohzone kill Jesus.

ohzone, are you guilty as charged ??

Or, just guilty as judged (by me) ???

C'mon, ohzone, it can't be both, pick one or the other or plead the 5th, too, is always an option

huh?
me and the butler?

what's your issue green....can you just say what it is?
what do you need.

maybe i can help i don't know.
if you don't just speak properly i really am not much interested today.
try if you can.
k.....

 

[Domenic]

AHA! indeed.

so let's look at the Parallel 'religions' in play at the moment:

MARY (AND JESUS)

Luke 3
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
23Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,e the son of Neri, 28the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.


JOSEPH

Matthew 1
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
1The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

2Abraham was the father of Isaac, and Isaac the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3and Judah the father of Perez and Zerah by Tamar, and Perez the father of Hezron, and Hezron the father of Ram,a 4and Ram the father of Amminadab, and Amminadab the father of Nahshon, and Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5and Salmon the father of Boaz by Rahab, and Boaz the father of Obed by Ruth, and Obed the father of Jesse, 6and Jesse the father of David the king.

And David was the father of Solomon by the wife of Uriah, 7and Solomon the father of Rehoboam, and Rehoboam the father of Abijah, and Abijah the father of Asaph,b 8and Asaph the father of Jehoshaphat, and Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, and Joram the father of Uzziah, 9and Uzziah the father of Jotham, and Jotham the father of Ahaz, and Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, 10and Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, and Manasseh the father of Amos,c and Amos the father of Josiah, 11and Josiah the father of Jechoniah and his brothers, at the time of the deportation to Babylon.

12And after the deportation to Babylon: Jechoniah was the father of Shealtiel,d and Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, 13and Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, and Abiud the father of Eliakim, and Eliakim the father of Azor, 14and Azor the father of Zadok, and Zadok the father of Achim, and Achim the father of Eliud, 15and Eliud the father of Eleazar, and Eleazar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob, 16and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations.

~

Must the Messiah be a descendent of Solomon?
Jews for Judaism

How did God take the kingdom from Saul? The right to the kingship terminated with Saul's death. No son of Saul ever sat on or had a right to the throne. But Solomon's descendants, with the exception of one branch of the family, would never lose their right to the throne. The punishment for disobedience would be chastening at the hands of men but not the termination of the monarchical right. It is God's unconditional promise that the posterity of David, specifically that of Solomon, will possess the kingship forever. God assures that there will always be a male of paternal Solomonic descent with the right to reign upon David's throne.

Must the Messiah be a descendent of Solomon? < click



Ichabod

thanks for the chance to post this again william.
zone

When Mary became pregnant with Jesus, her and Joseph were not married. If she became pregnant by Joseph, she would have been going against God command not to have sex outside of marriage. Whey than, would God send his son to be born through a women who did not obey Gods laws? The scriptures say, “She was a virgin.”
She was in line with the seed that Jesus would come through, which was Mary.

 

[Domenic]

The BUTLER made ohzone do it !!

It was the butler !! that made ohzone kill Jesus.

ohzone, are you guilty as charged ??

Or, just guilty as judged (by me) ???

C'mon, ohzone, it can't be both, pick one or the other or plead the 5th, too, is always an option

Adults are talking about Gods word, and you come in with this stupid childlike joke?

 

[zone]

When Mary became pregnant with Jesus, her and Joseph were not married. If she became pregnant by Joseph, she would have been going against God command not to have sex outside of marriage. Whey than, would God send his son to be born through a women who did not obey Gods laws? The scriptures say, “She was a virgin.”
She was in line with the seed that Jesus would come through, which was Mary.

ummm.......
should i take this on?

Domenic....first you have to recant this blasphemy about bestiality in Eden.

........................................

then we can talk about Who Jesus is and why Mary was a virgin and why Joseph, who was also of the Royal Line married her after she was conceived of the Holy Spirit.

God left not one fraction of an inch for error on this.

if the Holy Spirit is in you, you can't get this wrong.

first things first though. dispense with the creepy chimera thing.
until you do, i'm afraid i'm against you.

okay then

 

[BananaPie]

...I thought sinners murdered Jesus, just common stock sinners like y'all and I, remember?

Ironically, in His death, we repented sinners have life and life more abundantly! How cool is that?

 

[Domenic]

ummm.......
should i take this on?

Domenic....first you have to recant this blasphemy about bestiality in Eden.

........................................

then we can talk about Who Jesus is and why Mary was a virgin and why Joseph, who was also of the Royal Line married her after she was conceived of the Holy Spirit.

God left not one fraction of an inch for error on this.

if the Holy Spirit is in you, you can't get this wrong.

first things first though. dispense with the creepy chimera thing.
until you do, i'm afraid i'm against you.

okay then

Part one of your question; Domenic....first you have to recant this blasphemy about bestiality in Eden.

It is not blasphemy, nor in good faith to our God will I recant it.
If you want to start on the same page, Lets you and I as Christians, start with Genesis 3:15, and examine that scripture.

 

[wdeaton65]

Part one of your question; Domenic....first you have to recant this blasphemy about bestiality in Eden.

It is not blasphemy, nor in good faith to our God will I recant it.
If you want to start on the same page, Lets you and I as Christians, start with Genesis 3:15, and examine that scripture.

You cant even understand hebrew Domenic so how are you going to teach Zone who can read the very pictographic Hebrew that Moses came down with from the Mountain? I would love to see this Let me get some popcorn and koolaid oh never mind Domenic is bringing the KOOLAID

 

[Domenic]

You cant even understand hebrew Domenic so how are you going to teach Zone who can read the very pictographic Hebrew that Moses came down with from the Mountain? I would love to see this Let me get some popcorn and koolaid oh never mind Domenic is bringing the KOOLAID

There is a cartoon picture of a mans head, and it shows gears moving around as he thinks. I don’t know why, but every time you post, I see your head in that cartoon. The only difference I see, is in place of the gears, I see a hamster running in one of those wheel thing ah-ma-jigs.

 

[stek]

Part one of your question; Domenic....first you have to recant this blasphemy about bestiality in Eden.

It is not blasphemy, nor in good faith to our God will I recant it.
If you want to start on the same page, Lets you and I as Christians, start with Genesis 3:15, and examine that scripture.

Ok read Gensis 3 talks about a serpent outwitting Eve not rapeing her. How does anyone get beastiality out of this??

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the Lord God said to the woman, What is this you have done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled (cheated, outwitted, and deceived) me, and I ate.

[SUP] [/SUP][SUP]15 [/SUP]And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her [SUP][a][/SUP]Offspring; He will bruise and tread your head underfoot, and you will lie in wait and bruise His heel

a Genesis 3:15 Christ fulfills through his victory over Satan the wonderful promise here spoken. See also Isa. 9:6; Matt. 1:23; Luke 1:31; Rom. 16:20; Gal. 4:4; Rev. 12:17

 

[Domenic]

beguiled is an od Engish word...it also means sexual intercourse. 3:15, God speaks about Satans seed?

 

[homwardbound]

home....some nut is claiming adam and eve HAD SEX WITH ANIMALS.
what part of that demonic nonsense do you agree with?

and you think it's ME trying to be funny?
with sick jokes like this going on?
what else are you going to do with this stuff - enable it?



btw home - this whole thing is just sooooooooo old: "You are attacking just as the religous leaders did at Christ"

the guy claiming you are a man-human chimera is not Jesus Christ.
if you think anything remotely close to that, or that Jesus would have tolerated such rubbish i don't know what to say.

have you thought through the implications of what this idea means concerning MARY?

get a grip. please.

I agree with the analogy of what is, and disagree with the theology, Zone does God love this person? Did God go to the death for Domenic or just those that line up with truth and truth only, Does God love you? Now in response to God loving you, how can one not love the other whether they agree or not. And how can you claimyou love God if you only love those that love you. This has nothing to do with enabling. Well maybe it does Remember God's warninig in Romans 9 about grafting out. I am just concerned for everyone's soul, and not interested in flesh swords only Spiritual double edged ones. I have said that I do not believe the sex thing and shown verses for it,now whether or not Domenic replies to it is up to hom and has not so far. But I am not and nor is anyone else in a position to play God.
Do as you will though I have said my peace and appreciate your response in being honest thank you

 

[homwardbound]

correction (can't even get my head around the concept enough to articulate it - ugh)

No I do not speculate and spin myself into and out of control.
1 Corinthians 13:4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
1 Corinthians 13:13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Now you mentioned would Jesus have put up with this: who did Jesus hang out with? Who needs the doctor?
Have you thought it out and are you listeniong to your own flesh or the Spirit of God, I love you Sister the same as anyone else

 

[homwardbound]

Guess folks like you and I need to learn to love more.

*Tolerance is a luxury reserved for those who don't adhere to anything*

I adhere to God and God alone and what is LOVE 1cor13 and how long does love go on for oh yes God is love and God goes on forever so you choose sides and be just like the hypocrites without love for all only those you reckon worthy. If this were the case with God then he would not have gone to the death for the whole world.
Sorry but flesh is still in the way

 

[homwardbound]

Homewardbound,
That you brother.

I do not do this to protect anyone except God and God's love for all. You have nop0t answered ny ?s to you and please do however yuo might feel but we all are here to learn not condemn
Thank You

 

[homwardbound]

What does what I said have to do with Mary. She was a Levite women, who Gave birth to Jesus, who was the sun of God.
Will you now say I am Satan because I say Jesus was not a Jew, but a Levite?

Jesus was not from the levite tribe he was from the tribe of Judah, you are wrong in what you said, and Jesus did reject his tribe home town Judah
Hebrews 7:14For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Hebrews 7:13He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
Hebrews 2:17For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 5:6And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”
The above is noit in order of any tribe it is back at the time of Abraham before any law and tribes were in place by 430 years

 

[homwardbound]

Zon asked?
have you thought through the implications of what this idea means concerning MARY?

My darling Grandfather once told me, “Wait, give them time, and they will asked the question to the answer God has already prepared.”Many take Genesis 3:15, as not important. This scripture is the most important scripture in the Bible. It is the one Satan wants hidden the most.It exposes Satan’s rebellion, his complete plans, and what our loving father has done.
We are commanded to test the scriptures, not sit back like lazy good for nothing servants, and leave all that we were created for, and let the master himself do what is assigned us.
(1 John 4:1) . . .Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.
We are to test Gods word. Take it apart. Hit it with a slug hammer, soak it in acid. Be un-merciful with it…do not believe it, but rather, try to destroy it. Why? “Because if it is from God, nothing can destroy, or even mar it.”
The scripture, Genesis 3:15 which many have said, “Oh, why test that? God will tell us everything in the end…we don’t have to do anything but love god.” We who were created to serve God, and have stepped forward and have sworn to be his servants, are commanded to follow 1 John 4:1

have you thought through the implications of what this idea means concerning MARY?
Yes, God has waited, and you have asked the question. This is Gods answer to the question;
John 4:1
Mary was born a human female, a Levit, not a Jew from the tribe of Judah. She married a man, Joseph from the tribe of Judah. She gave birth to the Son of God, Jesus…who was also a Levit as a human.
Keep John 4:1 close in mind. Since Mary was the mother of Jesus, many religious leaders teach Gods sheep to pray to her, and many others they post as Saints. Mary, and all these posted as Saints are creations of God, as is everything, and everybody. No creation of Gods, is higher than Gods son Jesus.
We the servants of God, pray through Jesus to God. We do not pray to humans to God. We do not ask humans, such as Mary to go around Jesus with a note from us to God.
We are unclean, and God will not listen to our prays. It is only through Gods son Jesus will God listen. Humans are not above Jesus, and no arrangement has been given to pray to God through any human.
You have asked the question:
have you thought through the implications of what this idea means concerning MARY?


Ask through Gods written word;
Have you thought through the implications of what this idea means concerning how you pray?

John 4:1 does not say what you wrote:
Now 1 john 4:7-21 says about love and Christ nothing about Mary, where are you getting scripture from, I see you are talking about the Catholic Church, but where is scripture on this in the Bible
[h=3]God’s Love and Ours[/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. [SUP]9 [/SUP]This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love because he first loved us. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

 

[homwardbound]

I understand some women like to be men, and there are those women who say they are men. Some even have a sex change to be men:
BUT NO MATTER WHAT...ONLY THE MALE HAS SEED. The seed God put into Mary was pure human seed without animal DNA.
I'm sure God knows about DNA, don't you think?

Sorry Jesus was a life-giving Spirit not pure Human Seed for no flesh in God's sight will ever please God and all sin has throguh the cross been condemned to the flesh dead. Now we are all born dead where as Jesus was born life, perfect flesh from a virgin had never been touched hymen not broken
We today the beleivers in Christ that know he took away the sin of the world have passed from death to life in the Spirit of God and are alive here and now forever more,
John 4:23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
John 4:24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”