The problem of female pastors

[GreenNnice]

Again, only God rules and reigns. Why not, LOL, He made ALL the rules.

. And, a husband's rule over his wife, which is true, a woman--as I put in an above post--IS to submit to her husband. But, again, he has no authority over her but MANY husbands would LIKE TO THINK they have authority over their wives.

And, this Gen. 3:16 has nothing to do with Scripture saying a pastor is to rule over a congregation. It is NOT in there, or, anywhere in Scripture, therefore, it's nowhere in Scripture, LOL, steph.

Okay clever clogs, please explain to use the difference between rule and authority. You have admitted that a husband's rule over his wife is that she is to submit to him. Paul also says that the husband is head of the wife. But you also say that he has no authority over her. Can you please explain the difference between rule and authority?

I just posted this verse elsewhere, steph, but this let's authority be explained perfect.

21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Well, your words don't come from the Bible. You are teaching heresy, and it's people like you that destroy the church because you don't follow God's word.

Yes, they do. Blainers words come from love, which is the greatest of 'faith,' and, 'hope,' which, in themself are very, very powerful words to Christians and the reason why they continue to believe in God.
Again, read 1 Cor. 13 , brother.

Again, too, those who believe in Christ and that He was raised from the dead will be saved, read 1 Thessalonians 4: 12 or thereabouts

 

[Blain]

Well, your words don't come from the Bible. You are teaching heresy, and it's people like you that destroy the church because you don't follow God's word.

You can say what you want about me But i will still pray for you. And I may not be the most obedient child of god but i follow his word

 

[Stephen100]

I just posted this verse elsewhere, steph, but this let's authority be explained perfect.

21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.



Yes, they do. Blainers words come from love, which is the greatest of 'faith,' and, 'hope,' which, in themself are very, very powerful words to Christians and the reason why they continue to believe in God.
Again, read 1 Cor. 13 , brother.

Again, too, those who believe in Christ and that He was raised from the dead will be saved, read 1 Thessalonians 4: 12 or thereabouts

Yes, so what's the difference. Explain the difference between rule and authority. If the wife is to submit to her husband in everything, then how do you interpret that?

 

[Stephen100]

You can say what you want about me But i will still pray for you. And I may not be the most obedient child of god but i follow his word

If you support women pastors then you are not following his word at all.

 

[leelee]

Yes, so what's the difference. Explain the difference between rule and authority. If the wife is to submit to her husband in everything, then how do you interpret that?

SO many people have answered this. You have 3 threads going which all boil down to the same thing. You should read the other answers people have already given you.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Not really pertaining to the OP, but I have observed something in feminism. These women demand equality in all ways. They become arrogant, and prideful. Then, suddenly when something doesn't go the way they want it to they turn on victim mode.

If you want equality then shop being such a sissy! TAKE IT LIKE A MAN! .

 

[Blain]

If you support women pastors then you are not following his word at all.

Well even though i disagree with you I have faith god is going to reveal his heart to you. Once he does you have a better understanding of the things i say, My own personal opinion on female pastors does not define me as a christian. I am a seeker of god's heart- a christian of love, And I pray that soon you will be too.

 

[Stephen100]

Not really pertaining to the OP, but I have observed something in feminism. These women demand equality in all ways. They become arrogant, and prideful. Then, suddenly when something doesn't go the way they want it to they turn on victim mode.

If you want equality then shop being such a sissy! TAKE IT LIKE A MAN! .

lol, well said. What about authority over the children? I have always said that absent fathers are a disgrace and need to be held accountable. But on the other hand, I've seen many decent fathers have to ask the mother's permission to see their own children. Can you imagine Abraham having to ask Sarah's permission to have access to his sons? But this is the level feminism has brought us down to.

But don't be too hard on the feminists. The governments and the Illuminati are using them as useful idiots. One of the Illuminati, Nick Rockefeller, even admitted that they funded the feminist movement to basically break up the family unit. The feminists are just being used by our corrupt government.

 

[teuful_hunden]

My tone? I'm typiing.....???????????

dont you type in that kind of tone with me young lady!!!!

 

[Stephen100]

Well even though i disagree with you I have faith god is going to reveal his heart to you. Once he does you have a better understanding of the things i say, My own personal opinion on female pastors does not define me as a christian. I am a seeker of god's heart- a christian of love, And I pray that soon you will be too.

I appreciate your kind words. I just wish I could get through to you how dangerous your ideology is.

 

[Bookreader]

Show me anywhere in the Bible where God ordained a woman as a pastor. You can't.

This indeed true.
Show me anywhere in the Bible where God ordained a man as pastor. You can't.

Unfortunately Paul couldn't (or wouldn't) let go of his attachment to the Law.

1Cor 14:34 the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. Rather, let them be in submission, as in fact the law says.

So Paul here is basing his comments on the law.
Elsewhere Paul makes it very clear that he was bound by the law.
He also makes it very clear that gentiles are not bound by the law.

I do have my doubts about the writings of Paul. I have to admit. They seem to contradict themselves often. And they often say the opposite of what is said by Jesus and the apostles.
Obviously the Corinthians didn't think he was an apostle at all...

I continue to read my Bible but nowadays I look to derive doctrine from the Bible as a whole - especially if there is just one comment in a letter from Paul. He seems to put a lot of personal opinion in his letters.
I sometimes wonder what the Bible would look like without Paul's works. In fact next time I read through the NT I'm tempted to skip Paul's letters and see if it hinders my understanding - or maybe helps. We'll see.

 

[Blain]

I appreciate your kind words. I just wish I could get through to you how dangerous your ideology is.

Ok then lets make a deal, If I really dig into this with an open mind to see if i change my mind about this then this is what I ask of you- I want you to seek god's love. I mean really seek it- Ask him to reveal his heart to you. Not just once though, ask seek and knock until he answers. I can promise you this, once he does it will be the greatest thing you have ever received from him. You will know exactly who he is and you will be changed forever. Are you game?

 

[justamazed]

This indeed true.
Show me anywhere in the Bible where God ordained a man as pastor. You can't.

Unfortunately Paul couldn't (or wouldn't) let go of his attachment to the Law.


So Paul here is basing his comments on the law.
Elsewhere Paul makes it very clear that he was bound by the law.
He also makes it very clear that gentiles are not bound by the law.

I do have my doubts about the writings of Paul. I have to admit. They seem to contradict themselves often. And they often say the opposite of what is said by Jesus and the apostles.
Obviously the Corinthians didn't think he was an apostle at all...

I continue to read my Bible but nowadays I look to derive doctrine from the Bible as a whole - especially if there is just one comment in a letter from Paul. He seems to put a lot of personal opinion in his letters.
I sometimes wonder what the Bible would look like without Paul's works. In fact next time I read through the NT I'm tempted to skip Paul's letters and see if it hinders my understanding - or maybe helps. We'll see.

It's not that Paul contradicts himself, it's that his words are veiled to those who can only understand the surface area of the law. When Paul talks about women, he is using it in the same fashion that John did in Revelation. Paul was never bound by the law as he states that when the husband of a woman dies, she is free to marry another. He is crucified with Christ and therefore free to be joined unto the family of God.

 

[Fenner]

Not really pertaining to the OP, but I have observed something in feminism. These women demand equality in all ways. They become arrogant, and prideful. Then, suddenly when something doesn't go the way they want it to they turn on victim mode.

If you want equality then shop being such a sissy! TAKE IT LIKE A MAN! .

I am not a femi Nazi, I just believe that no one should be oppressed. I'm a stay at home mom, who left her career to at home. I had to fend for myself at a very young age, so letting someone else be the bread winner was tough for me.

I am also human and have feelings. Maybe I'm to sensitive I don't know.


Anyhow peace to you and God Bless.

 

[Stephen100]

This indeed true.
Show me anywhere in the Bible where God ordained a man as pastor. You can't.

Unfortunately Paul couldn't (or wouldn't) let go of his attachment to the Law.


So Paul here is basing his comments on the law.
Elsewhere Paul makes it very clear that he was bound by the law.
He also makes it very clear that gentiles are not bound by the law.

I do have my doubts about the writings of Paul. I have to admit. They seem to contradict themselves often. And they often say the opposite of what is said by Jesus and the apostles.
Obviously the Corinthians didn't think he was an apostle at all...

I continue to read my Bible but nowadays I look to derive doctrine from the Bible as a whole - especially if there is just one comment in a letter from Paul. He seems to put a lot of personal opinion in his letters.
I sometimes wonder what the Bible would look like without Paul's works. In fact next time I read through the NT I'm tempted to skip Paul's letters and see if it hinders my understanding - or maybe helps. We'll see.

You're cherry picking. Paul also says that women are not to teach or have authority over a man. Being a pastor is a position of authority, so it is quite obvious that women are not to be pastors. If you read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, there is no way you can come to the conclusion that God supports women pastors. The burden of proof is on you to prove, from Scripture, that women are allowed to be a pastor and have authority over men.

 

[Stephen100]

Ok then lets make a deal, If I really dig into this with an open mind to see if i change my mind about this then this is what I ask of you- I want you to seek god's love. I mean really seek it- Ask him to reveal his heart to you. Not just once though, ask seek and knock until he answers. I can promise you this, once he does it will be the greatest thing you have ever received from him. You will know exactly who he is and you will be changed forever. Are you game?

I already know all of this. I just think you haven't seen the full picture. You don't realize that your ideology is dangerous.

 

[GreenNnice]

Yes, so what's the difference. Explain the difference between rule and authority. If the wife is to submit to her husband in everything, then how do you interpret that?

Actually, a husband and wife are to submit one to another, too, Scripture says, so to 'reverence to Christ.'

Paul is asking women to submit to their husbands, it makes sense, man 'heads' the household, Paul says too elsewhere in Scripture.

Man will like to rule over woman, have authority over her, but he really has NO authority over her, ALL authority is Christ's and Scripture says to that the man is to treat his wife with respect and he is to live his life and his leading of his wife with understanding a fear of God should be in him for if he does not treat her right in her submission (voluntary choice) to him

 

[Blain]

I already know all of this. I just think you haven't seen the full picture. You don't realize that your ideology is dangerous.

No i'm afraid you don't know this, If you knew of it it would be evident in your posts. As I said before you know scripture but you lack the love it was written in, And also as i said before what comes from your mouth comes from your heart. All i have seen in your post is irritation and anger, calling people names and saying horrible things. If you will try- and i mean really try this i will also try to understand and maybe believe what you are trying to say. What harm would it do?

 

[MissCris]

Stephen,
I think it's safe to say you and I are never going to be friends, but I do want to apologize for my attitude and losing my temper on other threads.

The thing is, I AGREE with your opinions on these things!

No, women are NOT to be pastors!
Yes, women ARE to submit to their husbands!
Yes, the feminist movement has done horrible things to the female population, completely undermined God's perfect plan for us!

The feminist movement started out with a simple goal; win a few basic rights for women. Voting is great. Women deserve to vote because hey, we live here too. The right to work, that's great too.

But it didn't stop there, it got blown up into this monster that teaches women that equality with men is not enough; we (a general 'we', women over all) want superiority, and behave in a disgusting manner towards men (in general) in order to feel like we are better than they are.

The general attitude that women are taught towards men now days is one of hostility mixed with a weird kind of sympathy- girls are taught that men are all mean, worthless, and stupid, and should be treated accordingly.

It's disgusting, and every time I witness it, I feel ashamed of being a woman.

And that used to be me. I used to behave that way. I thank God that he opened my eyes and changed my heart.

Back to the thread topic...

Even Christian women struggle with this attitude, because we are bombarded with it from every angle- friends, relatives, every form of media. And I certainly wouldn't entrust my spiritual well-being to a woman (sometimes I don't think I can trust myself with it, let alone another woman), and therefore, even if the Bible wasn't so clear about it, I would not attend a church with a female pastor. I don't support it, I think it's completely backwards.

 

[Elizabeth619]

lol, well said. What about authority over the children? I have always said that absent fathers are a disgrace and need to be held accountable. But on the other hand, I've seen many decent fathers have to ask the mother's permission to see their own children. Can you imagine Abraham having to ask Sarah's permission to have access to his sons? But this is the level feminism has brought us down to.

But don't be too hard on the feminists. The governments and the Illuminati are using them as useful idiots. One of the Illuminati, Nick Rockefeller, even admitted that they funded the feminist movement to basically break up the family unit. The feminists are just being used by our corrupt government.

I'm a single mother, and the father is not present which is the choice he made. I have never deprived visitation with them, but it has come to the point to where has dad has been given many chances to improve his life. He has not. I am the one who has primary custody, and I am the one who looks after our childs welfare. At this point, due to his lack of involvement in his sons life(no child support, no phone calls, no visiting) he has abandoned his child. I will no longer allow him to walk in and out of his life like he has since Wes was born. He has made his decision. He chose the world over his family.
I am actually consulting a lawyer about stripping him of his parental rights.