The problem of female pastors

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homwardbound

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Yes, anyone who takes the time to read it, which I have, will see that you are a rotten liar that has distorted the holy scriptures. I call you a wolf for lying about God's word. Nobody is interested in your liberal feminist heresy. Please take it back to the devil and tell him we're not interested.
By Chance and I am not climbing in here to keep any fights going but to lookat the scripture in context of what was going on in the Corithian Church at the time of Paul exhorting them.
Did you know upon the hill above the Corithian Church was a Brothel, yes prostitutes with shaven heads that hed come down to the Corinthain Church subverting enticing and seducing them away from truth. This is why Paul wrote them for they had heard what Paul has told them that Christ has forgiven them that no matter what they by the cross were forgiven.
So the evil Spiritual warfare planted a thought in them and they said hey we are forgiven so we can do whatever we want we are forgiven and so they never recieved the compassion in loving neighbor as self and all the things that Pauyl addressed were because of what they were doin which was taking advantage of this amazing Salvation, taking for granted that they are past tense forgiven. and just eating all the food before the others got there who were poor and drinking all the wine getting drunk taking others against their will.
Maybe now you might see the reason Paul wrote to them
Hebrews 2:3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
Also how does the following fit since in Father's from Father's perspective thier ios no:
Galatians 3:28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Any one whether amle or female can mislead the Church of Father, and many are doing exactly this and thsat is why the only true one is:
Hebrews 8:2and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
And as believers we are no longer of:
1 John 5:4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

We are born anew in the Spirit and dead to carnal nature of splitting hairs
Just food for thought chewing on it or spit it out your free choice
All in Love for growing in the grace of God
 

Blain

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My anger is perfectly righteous. When wolves in the church or in Christian forums lie about God's word and distort the scriptures for their own benefit or agenda, then I have every right to get angry and rebuke them.
If it was righteous you would not be calling them awful things but try to teach them the error of their ways and how to become more christ like. Jesus would only have compassion and pray for them, but really the only one i see not obeying his word is you. How can one be angry at someone for misusing scripture when one does not follow the most important comandments?
 

Elizabeth619

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Stephen, just a few words of advice. You are new to the forums, and many times we all get aggitated at others who misuese scripture. I get extremely agitated at people on here, but please...don't start with name calling. It will get you banned. You are a smart guy, and I totally agree with your understanding of scripture here. I just don't want you banned. They will ban you if you are reported.
 

Elizabeth619

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Ok, I am gonna make a thread about preachers....
 
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About huldah, she was a prophetess, correct, in today's church if God has a message for the church, primarily He will use a woman to speak a prophecy to the church, does that make her a pastor? No it doesn't. And it is a fullfilment of what Peter said in acts 2, if you study God's word you will see a marked difference between the male prophets and the female prophets, the men went out and preached God's warnings in public, however the women prophets spoke to men in private, there is no record of them preaching to multitudes
You are 100% right. A prophetess can indeed speak in a church and teach people what God has revealed to her. But this is not the same as being a pastor and having authority. But nathan refuses to see that. He is stuck in his liberal ways and nothing you say will change his mind.
 
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No.
Only God has control over you. He ALONE is your authority :)

Women are not to teach they are in authority of man. Men are not to teach they are in authority of women either.

Paul explains: "Adam was formed first and then Eve," in verse 14 of 1 Tim. 2 .

But, where does this say that Paul is saying a man is to have authority over a woman ?

Paul speaks of Eve doing the 'transgression' in the next verse (14) . This is a reason why she should not 'teach authority' or 'have authority' over a man.

Again, Paul does not say that a man should have control over a woman either. Neither has control. Eve transgressed but we all know who SINNED ! It wasn't Eve. "SHE was deceived," verse 14 says too; Adam sinned !

So, there is cause to believe that NEITHER sex should have authority over the other, no?

And, then in verse 15 , Paul says that a woman shall be 'saved in childbearing.'

Again, this does NOT speak of Paul saying a man should, therefore, have authority over a woman. He is just saying that a woman should be comforted in the fact that God will save them in 'this' way. :) She does not need to feel like she NEEDS control of a man (how many women feel helpless around men, and, FEEL like they need control over them??? Many ! :( ) Paul is saying here,'Hey, I know it's tough, the men treat you like dirt but , for one thing, it's not right to teach you are in control of them because they WANT to control you, they are not supposed to control you, but, sigh, they want to. And, for another thing, you are just plain not to have control over man in the church, ladies (notice, I didn't use the word 'women pastors"), for God made man first and woman, second."

This is ALL to appease women , so they can see that they are NOT in control. He is appeasing these Corinth women, and, Paul is NOT telling these women to be subservient to men in the church, just to NOT teach they are in control over them or to have control over them.
Paul says that a wife is to submit to her husband in everything. He also said that man is the head of woman. And in Genesis 3:16 God said to Eve that her husband would rule over her.
 
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besides for a woman to have authority over a man goes right back to the original curse on Eve "you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you"
 
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If it was righteous you would not be calling them awful things but try to teach them the error of their ways and how to become more christ like. Jesus would only have compassion and pray for them, but really the only one i see not obeying his word is you. How can one be angry at someone for misusing scripture when one does not follow the most important comandments?
No, the Pharisees were hypocrites. They would distort the Scriptures to attack Jesus, just as you are distorting the scriptures to support liberal feminism.
 
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Paul says that a wife is to submit to her husband in everything. He also said that man is the head of woman. And in Genesis 3:16 God said to Eve that her husband would rule over her.
Again, only God rules and reigns. Why not, LOL, He made ALL the rules.

. And, a husband's rule over his wife, which is true, a woman--as I put in an above post--IS to submit to her husband. But, again, he has no authority over her but MANY husbands would LIKE TO THINK they have authority over their wives.

And, this Gen. 3:16 has nothing to do with Scripture saying a pastor is to rule over a congregation. It is NOT in there, or, anywhere in Scripture, therefore, it's nowhere in Scripture, LOL, steph.
 

Elizabeth619

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ok, authority doesn't mean dominance and control
 

Elizabeth619

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Again, only God rules and reigns. Why not, LOL, He made ALL the rules.

. And, a husband's rule over his wife, which is true, a woman--as I put in an above post--IS to submit to her husband. But, again, he has no authority over her but MANY husbands would LIKE TO THINK they have authority over their wives.

And, this Gen. 3:16 has nothing to do with Scripture saying a pastor is to rule over a congregation. It is NOT in there, or, anywhere in Scripture, therefore, it's nowhere in Scripture, LOL, steph.
And Jesus did appoint overseers. Overseers are still under God. They are given authority by God to make certain decisions and so on.
 

Elizabeth619

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I can't help but wonder how some of you act in the workplace. Especially those who have to work under people. You have managers, supervisors, CEOs.... Do you all rebel against your bosses and still keep a job?
 

Fenner

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Grow up yourself you angry feminist. It's not me they're disagreeing with, it's God's word they are disagreeing with.
I actually find it a compliment when you call me a feminist. Standing with my sisters in equality is something I'm very proud of. The independence and strength I was raised with have served me well. I am proud of the feminists who given me equality.

Women in America and some other countries are free to speak, vote and do everything a man can do. I pray someday my sisters in other countries are freed from the oppressors that hold them in chains.
 

Blain

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No, the Pharisees were hypocrites. They would distort the Scriptures to attack Jesus, just as you are distorting the scriptures to support liberal feminism.
I care not about the idea of pastor being men or woman because i know the truth, what i am concerned about is you. You are wise in the scripture yet the love that was melted into those words that were written known as the bible does not appear to be in you. This is why i pray for you, your desire for righteousness will only go so far without love.
 
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GreenNnice

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And Jesus did appoint overseers. Overseers are still under God. They are given authority by God to make certain decisions and so on.
yes, elizzy, agreed. God will bless those elders who do His work, again, they are under his authority to do His work, man and woman, slave and free, Jew and Gentile, all under Him :)

God appoints ALL to do work for Him, and, we should be VERY mindful of those who are doing service to labour in teaching and preaching the Word and doctrine( 1 Tim. 5:17, this is a nice verse, thanks for pointing me to it, milady :) )
 
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GreenNnice

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I care not about the idea of pastor being men or woman because i know the truth, what i am concerned about is you. You are wise in the scripture yet the love that was melted into those words that were written known as the bible does not appear to be in you. This is why i pray for you, your desire for righteousness will only go so far without love.
Read the all of 1 Cor. 13, steph :)
 

Elizabeth619

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yes, elizzy, agreed. God will bless those elders who do His work, again, they are under his authority to do His work, man and woman, slave and free, Jew and Gentile, all under Him :)

God appoints ALL to do work for Him, and, we should be VERY mindful of those who are doing service to labour in teaching and preaching the Word and doctrine( 1 Tim. 5:17, this is a nice verse, thanks for pointing me to it, milady :) )
You do realize the scriptures plainly say that elders and deacons are to be men don't you?
 
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women have a place in service but elder, deacon, and pastor are not those places
 

Elizabeth619

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I actually find it a compliment when you call me a feminist. Standing with my sisters in equality is something I'm very proud of. The independence and strength I was raised with have served me well. I am proud of the feminists who given me equality.

Women in America and some other countries are free to speak, vote and do everything a man can do. I pray someday my sisters in other countries are freed from the oppressors that hold them in chains.
The bible talks about those who demand equality.
Satan fell out of Heaven because he wanted equality.
 
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Because a Jezebel spirit has infiltrated the church, at least that's my opinion
I do agree with that, plus a woman should not have any biblical teaching over a man the bible clearly states that..