The problem of female pastors

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Stephen100 said:
No, if a Christian sees another Christian brother or sister sinning, they have every right to rebuke them. Most churches haven't got the courage to rebuke people. They say it's being judgmental, so instead they keep silent.
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Dont say you have the "right" We are not to just go off willynilly rebuking every sin we see!!
There are plenty of scriptures that tell us how and when. Remember Jesus saw sin all the time
yet in most cases it says "He held His peace"

People that talk like your talking scare me. They usually end up causing alot of problems, hurt alot of people
and when they get alienated they walk away saying its because they serve God and thats why they are not liked.
Then the more they are alienated and the more friends they lose...the more pride they get in their heart that
they are serving God.....what a trip:p

If you thought about it id prolly have to bust your chops all day long for your sin.
But i havnt the time nor was i really called to do that. Wisdom is needed in every case
not just a flat out calling out on sin you think you see.
 
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It is simple. Pastor is a male leadership role in scripture. Why? Maybe a woman pastor would not be respected or listened too and cause too much offense thus unnecessarily hindering the Gospel.
Also the secular world is not comfortable with the idea that men make better leaders. These role changes such as acceptance of women leaders in politics, law enforcement! Like lady sherrifs etc are becoming accepted by Christians therefore it only makes sense that women pastors would be accepted. To reject women pastors on the basis of God intending that only men be pastors one must also reject all women CEOs and women politicians and God forbid we elect a woman president.
I think we have to be careful on this.
 
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Abiding said:
Dont say you have the "right" We are not to just go off willynilly rebuking every sin we see!!
There are plenty of scriptures that tell us how and when. Remember Jesus saw sin all the time
yet in most cases it says "He held His peace"

People that talk like your talking scare me. They usually end up causing alot of problems, hurt alot of people
and when they get alienated they walk away saying its because they serve God and thats why they are not liked.
Then the more they are alienated and the more friends they lose...the more pride they get in their heast that
they are serving God.....what a trip:p

If you thought about it id prolly have to bust your chops all day long for you sin.
But i havnt the time nor was i really called to do that. Wisdom is needed in every case
not just a flat out calling out on sin you think you see.
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Obviously your not very knowledgeable with the scriptures. The apostle Paul tells us not to even eat with such a person, someone who claims to be a Christian and is practicing sin. If modern day churches are too politically correct to rebuke their members for practicing sin, then someone has to do it. Christians seem more afraid of hurting people's feelings than they are of hell. Get a grip and stop being politically correct.
 
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Stephen100 said:
Obviously your not very knowledgeable with the scriptures. The apostle Paul tells us not to even eat with such a person, someone who claims to be a Christian and is practicing sin. If modern day churches are too politically correct to rebuke their members for practicing sin, then someone has to do it. Christians seem more afraid of hurting people's feelings than they are of hell. Get a grip and stop being politically correct.
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Ok then....Stephen repent....for your pride and lack of love and wisdom then go read Gal 6:1-3
Then pray for wisdom. And ask God to teach you what mercy means and how to care for peoples feelings.:)
 
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Matthew 18:15-17

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.


This is how a rebuke should be done according to scripture.
 
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Stephen100 Needs to read these
Gal 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

Matt 18: 15-17
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.




Maybe we all need to read this one:
Titus 3:10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,
 
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*Sigh*

Stephen, you have the right idea on a lot of things, but I don't think your heart is in the right place with them.

Also, you're doing a very good job of pointing the finger at everybody else, all the while coming across as though you feel you do no wrong.
 
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MissCris said:
*Sigh*

Stephen, you have the right idea on a lot of things, but I don't think your heart is in the right place with them.

Also, you're doing a very good job of pointing the finger at everybody else, all the while coming across as though you feel you do no wrong.
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And there was me thinking you were going to be nice to me. How silly of me.
 
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And the more churches that have woman in authority the more men will
continue to leave therefore the more woman will be needed then the more men will
leave then the.........................................

Ya someones got to do it because its pleasant to the eyes, and could make one wise etc.
Excuses just never cut it. The Ark is falling should i steady it? Or let it fall and get smashed?
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Why do they come in here and do it? Because they're called? Because it pays good? Or because it's pleasant to the ego, and seems to make one look wise in the eyes of their peers? You see, every reason on one side of the coin can very much be the same reasons on the other. Self-proclaimed heroes are everywhere. More often than not when you can never truly know them or even see their face.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
Matthew 18:15-17

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.


This is how a rebuke should be done according to scripture.
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If it is a true brother...someone with the indwelling Spirit then he already
has his conscience bugging him out and is already very sensitive thats
why we are to be tender....with a threat of falling ourselves if we tramp over them
carelessly as in Gal 6. God always wants us to be helping not hurting.

Rebukes are generally given quick and short to the reprobate or hardened person.
Then only God can get through.
 
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Okay, this thread is going off topic. The topic is about female pastors. Let's try to stick with it.
 
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MissCris said:
*Sigh*

Stephen, you have the right idea on a lot of things, but I don't think your heart is in the right place with them.

Also, you're doing a very good job of pointing the finger at everybody else, all the while coming across as though you feel you do no wrong.
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Pleeeeeze type the number behind the name. Thank you.:D
 
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Stephen100 said:
No, if a Christian sees another Christian brother or sister sinning, they have every right to rebuke them. Most churches haven't got the courage to rebuke people. They say it's being judgmental, so instead they keep silent.
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Scripture says there is a way to rebuke. And you did not do it the right way.

let he who has no sin cast the first stone my friend!!
 
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Stephen100 said:
Obviously your not very knowledgeable with the scriptures. The apostle Paul tells us not to even eat with such a person, someone who claims to be a Christian and is practicing sin. If modern day churches are too politically correct to rebuke their members for practicing sin, then someone has to do it. Christians seem more afraid of hurting people's feelings than they are of hell. Get a grip and stop being politically correct.
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Obvious your sinless. ssince you have no problem casting stones? What gives you the right to judge a person openly? Scripture says if you see a brother sinning, take him to the side, if he still sins, Take a witness, if he still sins, THEN we do the verse you just posted.

You have problems, serious problems. Its people who do what you did that get people not to even look at God.
 
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Stephen100 said:
And there was me thinking you were going to be nice to me. How silly of me.
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I was being nice. I was sincere in my apology, and now I've tried to change my tone with you, because I was completely wrong to respond in anger.

Now I'm telling you, as your sister in Christ, that I will pray for you to set aside your pride and open your heart. That's probably the nicest thing I could do for you- so, there you go, there's me still being nice to you.
 
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Stephen63 said:
Why do they come in here and do it? Because they're called? Because it pays good? Or because it's pleasant to the ego, and seems to make one look wise in the eyes of their peers? You see, every reason on one side of the coin can very much be the same reasons on the other. Self-proclaimed heroes are everywhere. More often than not when you can never truly know them or even see their face.
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I think we are here talking in code somewhat. Therefore.....Stephen you know that "if" we took
it out of the context of "men or woman" which we should because both men and woman have
the same bible that teaches us how to conduct ourselves.

That includes heretics and all kinds of situations we will encounter. That should be the topic at hand
which really isnt different by gender right?

Thats the rub to me...not gender. No gender has any right to disobey scripture under any situation.
And as it says....especially to the household of faith. And even "if" you think you discern they may
not be in the faith and you treat them like the pagan or tax collector....then in that cse you "love them"
They just dont get to be invited to the slumber party friday nite.:cool:
 
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Scribe said:
It is simple. Pastor is a male leadership role in scripture. Why? Maybe a woman pastor would not be respected or listened too and cause too much offense thus unnecessarily hindering the Gospel.
Also the secular world is not comfortable with the idea that men make better leaders. These role changes such as acceptance of women leaders in politics, law enforcement! Like lady sherrifs etc are becoming accepted by Christians therefore it only makes sense that women pastors would be accepted. To reject women pastors on the basis of God intending that only men be pastors one must also reject all women CEOs and women politicians and God forbid we elect a woman president.
I think we have to be careful on this.
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So because the world accepts women in authority then the church should as well? Christians are not to conform to the world. We don't live by ways the world does.
 
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