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Would those embolden letters in asking depend on ones motive, and God gives accordingly to God's will. Sop do we need not understand why we do not get some things
James 4:3Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
Change our motive to desire to serve the living God and we shall know all truth the truth that sets us free in Christ.
All gifts are still available and will stay this way, until one moves to maturity
Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3And this will we do, if God permit.
the perfection is God's love as best described in 1 cor 13, now yes love goes and forever and all else shall pass away and this will be when one sees the perfect love of God their focus will no longer be on baptisms, the laying on of hands and eternal judgment, there focus is on the amazing miraculous love of God shed abroad in thier hearts. They went throguh the Church services here on earth heard what all others were saying ans dwelved into the word themselves to know God period, to be in God's lap, arm all around him juist enjoying what God has done for them back at the cross.
Kind of like JFK while in office busy as could be handling things going on, while in meeting with others about waht to do with the crises at hand there is a picture of him wioth his Son down at his feet enjoying life
Do you all think this is what God wants of us to be like the Son with no worry as we go in this life here and now trusting that all things work towards the good being in him every second of the day
James 4:3Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
Change our motive to desire to serve the living God and we shall know all truth the truth that sets us free in Christ.
All gifts are still available and will stay this way, until one moves to maturity
Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3And this will we do, if God permit.
the perfection is God's love as best described in 1 cor 13, now yes love goes and forever and all else shall pass away and this will be when one sees the perfect love of God their focus will no longer be on baptisms, the laying on of hands and eternal judgment, there focus is on the amazing miraculous love of God shed abroad in thier hearts. They went throguh the Church services here on earth heard what all others were saying ans dwelved into the word themselves to know God period, to be in God's lap, arm all around him juist enjoying what God has done for them back at the cross.
Kind of like JFK while in office busy as could be handling things going on, while in meeting with others about waht to do with the crises at hand there is a picture of him wioth his Son down at his feet enjoying life
Do you all think this is what God wants of us to be like the Son with no worry as we go in this life here and now trusting that all things work towards the good being in him every second of the day
I was an alcoholic and it was God that delivered me a miracle he showed me things and I lost all desire to drink and did not become as a lot are afraid of and that is if they ever have another drink then they are off the wagon courtesy of Alcoholics anonymous. Well Brothers and Sisters that is not true with me, while I know that is true with many that are still attached to this world and are in fear of for perfect love has not cast out the fear. For it was fear that kept me in bondage to error and truth could not set me free. God showed me and I was free and am free still, not concerned any longer about this world and its traps, just praising God for his amazing Love given by the cross and through the cross where all the riches and glory are at in Christ Jesus. All Gifts are still available and real, just not all use them as real instead to get noticed as a child does when the parernts do not notice them, once they discover waht gets thier attention them habits form to get the attention they so desperately need and then the habit becomes a characteristic and then eventually a trait
I have seen where someone got the gift and it was real at first but after time they started speaking those same tongues over and over, rolling on the floor and oh yes lopoking up womens dresses. We just need to be wise and harmless at the same time.
I do know all the gifts are real even though I by God have moved on past that, and have seen the gifts still present in me as the Spirit wills period
I have seen where someone got the gift and it was real at first but after time they started speaking those same tongues over and over, rolling on the floor and oh yes lopoking up womens dresses. We just need to be wise and harmless at the same time.
I do know all the gifts are real even though I by God have moved on past that, and have seen the gifts still present in me as the Spirit wills period
Christ's going to death is and was beyond natural law of the human flesh a miracle in itself, the being raised from the dead was and is the miracle that gives life to the believer. And no one gets saved except by the power of the Holy GHost. Today that is whose job it is for salvation, The holy Ghost showing by signs and wonders to us that Christ first took away all sins the punishement af them. Now Christ rose to give us life here and now by belief. This english is a tongue that you understand and by the leading of the Holy Ghost you at one point responded and are saved in Christ at the cross by the resurrection per waht Paul continued to tell all that he came upon at every given opportunity. Then at a later date had to write to each of the groups to straighten out the problems that were at hand. The Corinthians were ones that took advantage of grace because since they were forgiven they could do whatever they want and still be forgiven. They misused the message that Paul gave them. Yes it is true they are forgiven, but they misused it and harmed thier fellow neighbors with no compassion for anyone else except what they wanted. That is why Paul came down hard and explained all he could to them. Finally they had a Godly sorrow and recieved God's love they moved beyond the doing this or that to look good or to take control of others. So please lets all see truth and be real to each other and not accuse each other of this or that, let us all walk in love one to another and if one is doing this wrong usiing gifts for thier own gain then let them for they know this and hopefully will come to truth and face it for what it is, as is waht we all need to do if we are not being real. I am a failure in need of God continuously how about the rest of us here?
Love you all in God's type of Love
Love you all in God's type of Love
Jack,
Beautiful verses (you've shared the 1st one earlier); however these verses do not answer the question I am asking "TruthFromFrank"
I am not disputing the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer. I am just asking which verse says that "EVERYONE" who is born again "WILL BE BAPTIZED by the Holy Spirit."
I know that it was prophesied that Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit (and with fire). However, where does it say that one is born again when one is "baptized with the Holy Spirit?"
I would also like to add that the "gift(singular) of the Holy Spirit" is different from the "gifts (plural) of the Holy Spirit"
TruthFromFrank is confusing the "gift" with the "gifts"
Beautiful verses (you've shared the 1st one earlier); however these verses do not answer the question I am asking "TruthFromFrank"
I am not disputing the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer. I am just asking which verse says that "EVERYONE" who is born again "WILL BE BAPTIZED by the Holy Spirit."
I know that it was prophesied that Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit (and with fire). However, where does it say that one is born again when one is "baptized with the Holy Spirit?"
I would also like to add that the "gift(singular) of the Holy Spirit" is different from the "gifts (plural) of the Holy Spirit"
TruthFromFrank is confusing the "gift" with the "gifts"
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The ceasing Of the Spiritual Gifts never ceased but man got caught away I a lie and it became tradition and the lie spread throughout tradition and a lot don't even preach on the Holy Ghost they undermine Him 
but He is the Great Holy Ghost the third person Of the God Head the teacher counselor ect.
Know the baptism in the Holy Ghost is in all four Gospels Matthew mark Luke John and acts and its said 6 times in scripture and Jesus said you shall Recieve Power when the Holy Spirit has come upon yyou notice
He said WHEN so every believer is suppose to exp. this baptism but its not gonna effect whether you are saved or not
now as a believer you may have authority to cast out devils heal the sick and raise the dead but you Don't have the power until you have received this baptism
but He is the Great Holy Ghost the third person Of the God Head the teacher counselor ect.
Know the baptism in the Holy Ghost is in all four Gospels Matthew mark Luke John and acts and its said 6 times in scripture and Jesus said you shall Recieve Power when the Holy Spirit has come upon yyou notice
He said WHEN so every believer is suppose to exp. this baptism but its not gonna effect whether you are saved or not
now as a believer you may have authority to cast out devils heal the sick and raise the dead but you Don't have the power until you have received this baptism
A
This is a miracle because Only the Father can draw you to Christ
New Living Translation (©2007)
For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.
John 6:44
And a miracle would be in the supernatural because He is drawing you t the Christ calling you with in the depths of your Heart the place only He can Go and is planting a seed in inside of you know one person might speak so God can plant the seed and another may water but only God can Give increase to this
New Living Translation (©2007)
It's not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What's important is that God makes the seed grow.
1. Cor. 3:7
So If God does this work and He is the only Who can Give growth to the seed
Just as if anyone is healed or raised from the dead God is the one Who does it not us
So therefore it would be. Miracle because only God can draw and bring us to Christ
New Living Translation (©2007)
For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.
John 6:44
And a miracle would be in the supernatural because He is drawing you t the Christ calling you with in the depths of your Heart the place only He can Go and is planting a seed in inside of you know one person might speak so God can plant the seed and another may water but only God can Give increase to this
New Living Translation (©2007)
It's not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What's important is that God makes the seed grow.
1. Cor. 3:7
So If God does this work and He is the only Who can Give growth to the seed
Just as if anyone is healed or raised from the dead God is the one Who does it not us
So therefore it would be. Miracle because only God can draw and bring us to Christ
A
This is a miracle because Only the Father can draw you to Christ
New Living Translation (©2007)
For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.
John 6:44
And a miracle would be in the supernatural because He is drawing you t the Christ calling you with in the depths of your Heart the place only He can Go and is planting a seed in inside of you know one person might speak so God can plant the seed and another may water but only God can Give increase to this
New Living Translation (©2007)
It's not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What's important is that God makes the seed grow.
1. Cor. 3:7
So If God does this work and He is the only Who can Give growth to the seed
Just as if anyone is healed or raised from the dead God is the one Who does it not us
So therefore it would be. Miracle because only God can draw and bring us to Christ
New Living Translation (©2007)
For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.
John 6:44
And a miracle would be in the supernatural because He is drawing you t the Christ calling you with in the depths of your Heart the place only He can Go and is planting a seed in inside of you know one person might speak so God can plant the seed and another may water but only God can Give increase to this
New Living Translation (©2007)
It's not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What's important is that God makes the seed grow.
1. Cor. 3:7
So If God does this work and He is the only Who can Give growth to the seed
Just as if anyone is healed or raised from the dead God is the one Who does it not us
So therefore it would be. Miracle because only God can draw and bring us to Christ
So many interesting and diverse thread jacks, I hardly know where to start!! LOL
Regarding the Holy Spirit, there is NO doubt that the Holy Spirit was indwelling, leading and guiding me from the moment I got saved. That was one of the things that made me wonder about the so-called "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" which I cannot find anywhere in the Bible. I mean the exact phrase, not implications and exogetical readings. Just the phrase is NOT there. So if it was that important, as we continually learn at Seminary, why does it not appear numerous times, like the cross, for example?
The fact that is does not appear ONCE, says it all for me.
The same with this concept of original sin. Of course, Adam and Eve sinned and brought sin, temptation and rather ruined our whole world. But do we have that original sin?? Again not finding it in the Bible. My Hebrew prof said it is badly constructed around one verse in Psalm 51, which is very different in Hebrew. Again, if it was that important, why does it not appear everywhere? I think it is a false construct of the Catholic church to justify infant baptism. But I might be wrong, always willing to hear other opinions on things that do not matter to salvation in the end.
I did not read that CoC link, perhaps I shall. I always like to discuss these things.
I'm thinking something half way between Calvinism and Arminianism might be the answer. God saves us, there is no doubt, it is a gift. But we do have to hear and move towards God. Is the call of God irresistible? I am glad I will never have to know the answer to that, as I heard and I was saved.
Regarding the Holy Spirit, there is NO doubt that the Holy Spirit was indwelling, leading and guiding me from the moment I got saved. That was one of the things that made me wonder about the so-called "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" which I cannot find anywhere in the Bible. I mean the exact phrase, not implications and exogetical readings. Just the phrase is NOT there. So if it was that important, as we continually learn at Seminary, why does it not appear numerous times, like the cross, for example?
The fact that is does not appear ONCE, says it all for me.
The same with this concept of original sin. Of course, Adam and Eve sinned and brought sin, temptation and rather ruined our whole world. But do we have that original sin?? Again not finding it in the Bible. My Hebrew prof said it is badly constructed around one verse in Psalm 51, which is very different in Hebrew. Again, if it was that important, why does it not appear everywhere? I think it is a false construct of the Catholic church to justify infant baptism. But I might be wrong, always willing to hear other opinions on things that do not matter to salvation in the end.
I did not read that CoC link, perhaps I shall. I always like to discuss these things.
I'm thinking something half way between Calvinism and Arminianism might be the answer. God saves us, there is no doubt, it is a gift. But we do have to hear and move towards God. Is the call of God irresistible? I am glad I will never have to know the answer to that, as I heard and I was saved.
L
ACCORDING TO HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION OF CHURCH HISTORY SINCE THE APOSTLES/DISCIPLES OF JESUS WERE MARTYRED:
Ignorance of the Word of God, Exclusion of the Holy Bible from the common man until King James Authorized Version and rise of witchcraft/superstition during the dark ages among the people.
Spiritually: Satanic warfare upon the Church and compromise at "The First Council of Nicaea". Once the Trinitarian Doctrine was instituted and made law by Emperor Constantine the true written Word of God was censored. Later the Christian Crusades took place to banish Monotheism from the known world at that time under the Church of Rome. Miracles and Exorcisms were only to be performed by the Priest (s); The Holy Word only to be interpreted by the Priest, the Pope became the supreme potentate of God on earth.
Ignorance of the Word of God, Exclusion of the Holy Bible from the common man until King James Authorized Version and rise of witchcraft/superstition during the dark ages among the people.
Spiritually: Satanic warfare upon the Church and compromise at "The First Council of Nicaea". Once the Trinitarian Doctrine was instituted and made law by Emperor Constantine the true written Word of God was censored. Later the Christian Crusades took place to banish Monotheism from the known world at that time under the Church of Rome. Miracles and Exorcisms were only to be performed by the Priest (s); The Holy Word only to be interpreted by the Priest, the Pope became the supreme potentate of God on earth.
A
Yes he will but even the believers who believe that they are saved can do this but Jesus will say He never new them
On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' Matthew 7:22
so he may decieve but these are for unbelievers not believers so they will come to know Christ see we should not seek signs and wonder but yet seek God and keep moving as the signs and wonders follow.
On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' Matthew 7:22
so he may decieve but these are for unbelievers not believers so they will come to know Christ see we should not seek signs and wonder but yet seek God and keep moving as the signs and wonders follow.
Some people on this forum are so anti CoC I should have known better than to post a link. There are many types of churches who call themselves CoC yet their beliefs differ.
Anyway, when I do have more time ill make a thread or something. Long day and going to be a long week. Prob won't be on anymore for the rest of the week.
Anyway, when I do have more time ill make a thread or something. Long day and going to be a long week. Prob won't be on anymore for the rest of the week.
Regarding the Holy Spirit, there is NO doubt that the Holy Spirit was indwelling, leading and guiding me from the moment I got saved. That was one of the things that made me wonder about the so-called "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" which I cannot find anywhere in the Bible. I mean the exact phrase, not implications and exogetical readings. Just the phrase is NOT there. So if it was that important, as we continually learn at Seminary, why does it not appear numerous times, like the cross, for example?
Acts 2:3-41 speaks of the baptism of the Holy Ghost
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 2:3-41 speaks of the baptism of the Holy Ghost
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.