Question about salvation

[MidniteWelder]

As long as we are flesh and blood we shall in no wise pass from the law until all is fulfilled as well.

I fully agree
Amen

 

[crossnote]

The only way they are taken away is if we make ourselves a slave to him as opposed to a slave to the flesh.
Thats how he takes away our sin, for if we know him, then we know his will at all times
that is how one no longer sins
But when he said, I came not to abolish the law but to fulfill the law.
Jesus fulfills the law if ever we fall short of doing so, but we still are expected to follow it

Nope.We have died to the law that we may live unto Him. Rom 7. Also our sins have already been taken away and judged in Christ therefore we willingly and thankfully serve HIM as free sons. You guys keep persisting in your bondage to the law
and you'll see you have fallen from grace.

 

[Tintin]

I hate that! It's the very reason I refuse to believe what you and Sinless are teaching.

Who are you going to believe?

An individual who twists a a few passages out of context yet will NEVER show you these other passages which are in the Bible, or are you going to believe the WHOLE COUNSEL of God.

Many treat the Bible as a menu and are soothed by isolating and twisting out of context select verses whilst IGNORING what the Bible actually teaches.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Nope.We have died to the law that we may live unto Him. Rom 7. Also our sins have already been taken away and judged in Christ therefore we willingly and thankfully serve HIM as free sons. You guys keep persisting in your bondage to the law
and you'll see you have fallen from grace.

27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith?
Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

 

[sinless]

All of this means nothing but words without understanding. You believe that only a few will be saved. This is not perfect love which casts out fear, but fear itself. What do you base your salvation off of, your beliefs? Even the devils believe. Something is missing in all of this. Again we now live in a world in where WE can virtually eliminate all crime, poverty, famine and homelessness but we continue to build upon the things which we all know is destroyed.

Jesus is the one who said few would be saved. Do you deny the words of your Lord?

 

[crossnote]

27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith?
Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

That's right we uphold the law through faith in Jesus the One who perfectly kept the law in our place who ALONE is just and the justifier of those who put their trust in HIM. When we extol HIM we extol the law,when we boast in our own feeble law keeping we make a mockery of God's Law. In other words start pointing people to Jesus and His righteousness and away from their own righteousness.

 

[ShyForHim]

Jesus is the one who said few would be saved. Do you deny the words of your Lord?

So, in a way, you believe that maybe 144.000 will be saved.

 

[ShyForHim]

I am sorry you got offended but you brought up the example of a Christian using filthy language from time to time and asked about that in the context of salvation.

An individual who is abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ will not be bearing the fruit of foul language. The only exception would be if an individual was truly ignorant that foul language was wrong, one would have to be rather insulated to not perceive that such language was not an offense to others.

You also very quickly brought up 1Joh 1:8 in the context of an "ongoing sinful state" in a Christian and I was trying to address that issue when you would claim I was not listening.

So the conversation was one where you simply wanted to make statements yet were not willing to engage in discussion about those statements. Thus in your mind I was not listening when I was like "hang on let's look at what you just said."

I was more than willing to listen to you but you just kept complaining about how offended you were at my initial statements regarding ongoing sin and justification.

There is absolutely no excuse. You messed it up though, is that hard to believe? Maybe I got offended, but you have no rights going around, pointing fingers at people "you're are not saved, you neither, oh, maybe you can be". That's ridiculous.

I was there and eager to learn, but instead of teaching, you didn't teach, you engaged into a mass discussion with the rest, especially with aussie. You were simply too quick to let me type, maybe I can't type as fast as you can.

An individual who is abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ will not be bearing the fruit of foul language.

I think you're still unable to process that I've said sin done in ignorance. You cannot state that I'm abiding in sin when I'm clearly not. That is being judgmental.

 

[sinless]

Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Peter speaks even stronger.
1st Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

To deny that few will be saved is to deny the Word itself

 

[ShyForHim]

Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Peter speaks even stronger.
1st Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

To deny that few will be saved is to deny the Word itself

You just contradicted yourself.

Jesus is the one who said few would be saved.

 

[sinless]

So, in a way, you believe that maybe 144.000 will be saved.

Not at all, many more than that. However the percentage will be few.

If 100 million people are saved out of 10 billion, that would 1%. So 100 million is few comparatively.

 

[ShyForHim]

Not at all, many more than that. However the percentage will be few.

If 100 million people are saved out of 10 billion, that would 1%. So 100 million is few comparatively.

Then you can't point out few will be saved in a percentage. You're not God, you will not know.

 

[sinless]

Quote Originally Posted by sinless View Post

Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Peter speaks even stronger.
1st Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

To deny that few will be saved is to deny the Word itself

You just contradicted yourself

How so?





Jesus is the one who said few would be saved.

 

[justamazed]

Jesus is the one who said few would be saved. Do you deny the words of your Lord?

No I just understand it. Our Lord also said that He came to give His life for the "many".

Now by definition, the "few" is not the "many".

Those that are well "few" have NO NEED OF A PHYSICIAN, only the sick (many) does.

 

[sinless]

Then you can't point out few will be saved in a percentage. You're not God, you will not know.

God's word says few will be saved, therefore I know few will be saved. God's word is true

 

[ShyForHim]

God's word says few will be saved, therefore I know few will be saved. God's word is true

You have no sufficient knowledge to understand God's concept of "few". For you it might be 1 out of 10, but for God it can be 3 out of 10. You simply don't know and we all know God's Word.

 

[sinless]

But per OP those people were saved then sinned then were lost.

The OP was building a strawman against the truth

 

[sinless]

You can indeed be lost from a state of salvation.

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.


The sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent cycle is evidence of never being truly saved in the first place for such a thing is impossible. Godly sorrow is not something one can find over and over and over and over again. If a person willfully rebels from a position of having been cleansed and is thus abiding in the light it is extremely dangerous due to the inward defilement it produces is far worse than that of a sinner who has never repented in the first place.

Excellent post

 

[sinless]

I hate that! It's the very reason I refuse to believe what you and Sinless are teaching.

Tintitn to be bunt scripture tell us why you refuse to believe the truth. Because you have pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Thessalonians 2
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[sinless]

You have no sufficient knowledge to understand God's concept of "few". For you it might be 1 out of 10, but for God it can be 3 out of 10. You simply don't know and we all know God's Word.

1 out of 100, 1 out of 10, 3 out of 10, that still leaves most people lost