This is relative to the law sort of what noah went through. Look at how we judge unto condemnation here. Go to church on sundays? Doomed. You're gay? Doomed. You don't believe God is a trinity? Doomed. You believe He is? Doomed. If all such people are truly doomed in where the righteous (by how we categorize show me a righteous man) if they are scarcely saved, where would the rest appear indeed.
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Matthew 20:25-28
25*But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26*But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27*And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28*Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Is the many talked about here a part of the "few"?
25*But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26*But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27*And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28*Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Is the many talked about here a part of the "few"?
Sinless, it is not easy to get people to understand, that the righteousness of God is COMPLETE in the saved people. It is even hard to understand that God does save sinners, even today. But He does not save sinners to remaon sinners, He saves sinners to be saints, and to even be perfected as saints, to the fulness and the stature of Christ!
Wow, how many people do I know that is perfected saints? I mean, SAINT- Hagios, means MOST Holy! Morally blameless, and spiritually pure... A pure spirit BEFORE GOD! Even a deacon in the church should house the mystery of faith n a PURE conscience... Only the Holy Spirit can declare a conscience PURE, and that can only be sinless people.
But the LIE has been taught for so long by so many, that great numbers are fooled by this. God said... LITTLE CHILDREN let no man decieve you.... The righteous is as righteous as God!
Eph 4:11 to 13 says God appointed people (must be perfect people) for the perfectiong of the saints.... UNTO A PERFECT MAN. I believe this with my whole heart... God makes perfect men for HIS GLORY, right here on earth. I might not even know one, but does that make the Bible untrue? NOPE...
I also know God has always kept men for Himself on earth. Jesus also said He did not come for the righteous, but for sinners TO REPENT! Jesus did not come so sinners can continue to sin, they have to repent! Repent from ALL sin, that is what the Holy Spirit will do, He will keep on you with your sin until you lay it down. That is how God leads with His Spirit, UNTO PERFECTION...
I love God because HE is the only one that promises a COMPLETE SALVATION!
ShyforHim you still do not trust the salvation as you should. This this that we are all sinners, all strugglers, all just human etc.... That is not true... God's children are NOT HUMAN, FLESHLY LUSTING PEOPLE, they are obedient to God ONLY and 100% holy as God is holy... God made them that when HE gave them REBIRTH, Baptism of Holy Spirit, perfected them.
All God's children does not sin, and cannot sin, becasue GOD SAVED THEM. God's salvation is complete by the time HE BAPTIZE with Spirit. That is the FINAL work God does on His children.... Giving His own Spirit to RESIDE in them. Rebirth of GOD. Baptism of Holy Spirit. Filling of Spirit...etc.
Wow, how many people do I know that is perfected saints? I mean, SAINT- Hagios, means MOST Holy! Morally blameless, and spiritually pure... A pure spirit BEFORE GOD! Even a deacon in the church should house the mystery of faith n a PURE conscience... Only the Holy Spirit can declare a conscience PURE, and that can only be sinless people.
But the LIE has been taught for so long by so many, that great numbers are fooled by this. God said... LITTLE CHILDREN let no man decieve you.... The righteous is as righteous as God!
Eph 4:11 to 13 says God appointed people (must be perfect people) for the perfectiong of the saints.... UNTO A PERFECT MAN. I believe this with my whole heart... God makes perfect men for HIS GLORY, right here on earth. I might not even know one, but does that make the Bible untrue? NOPE...
I also know God has always kept men for Himself on earth. Jesus also said He did not come for the righteous, but for sinners TO REPENT! Jesus did not come so sinners can continue to sin, they have to repent! Repent from ALL sin, that is what the Holy Spirit will do, He will keep on you with your sin until you lay it down. That is how God leads with His Spirit, UNTO PERFECTION...
I love God because HE is the only one that promises a COMPLETE SALVATION!
ShyforHim you still do not trust the salvation as you should. This this that we are all sinners, all strugglers, all just human etc.... That is not true... God's children are NOT HUMAN, FLESHLY LUSTING PEOPLE, they are obedient to God ONLY and 100% holy as God is holy... God made them that when HE gave them REBIRTH, Baptism of Holy Spirit, perfected them.
All God's children does not sin, and cannot sin, becasue GOD SAVED THEM. God's salvation is complete by the time HE BAPTIZE with Spirit. That is the FINAL work God does on His children.... Giving His own Spirit to RESIDE in them. Rebirth of GOD. Baptism of Holy Spirit. Filling of Spirit...etc.
This is a good example of how the plain teachings of Paul can be twisted in the mind.
What the wolves have done is invent a doctrine where the death of Christ on the cross somehow "cancelled the demands of the law." Thus under the deception when one is "identified with Christ" (in this forensic positional salvation) one can "no longer be condemned."
Here is what the Bible really teaches about not being under the law...
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Not being under the law is CONDITIONAL of being led of the Spirit hence...
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Which is why Paul would write...1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Therefore when Paul writes in Romans 7...
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Being delivered from the law is clearly in the context of serving in the Spirit which matches up with everything else Paul writes in all his other writings.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
One can only be dead to the law when they are dead to sin.
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [This is the shift from serving sin to serving Christ]
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Many are deceived today by a false understanding of the death of Christ which leads them to believe that engaging in sin has no bearing on their justification. They are dead wrong. What we do has EVERYTHING to do as to whether we are justified or not. There is only no condemnation for those who are IN Christ and thus WALK after the Spirit FULFILLING THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW IN THEM.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
In a nutshell the ministers of Satan have been able to twist the Scriptures in such a way as to promote the idea of a disconnect of conduct from justification. Thus they (and those whom they have deceived) will always defend being able to engage in sin and remain in a justified state.
Besides ignoring what the Scriptures I listed above plainly say they are also beheld by the delusion of the Penal Substitution doctrine where they literally believe Jesus obeyed as their substitute and thus the obedience of Jesus is credited to their account. Thus, in their mind, to connect "their own obedience" to justification would be adding to the "forensic credit of Jesus' obedience."
This deception is like an onion with layer upon layer of fallacy. When you expose one layer or facet the deceived people fall back upon another layer of facet of their deception in order to uphold the one that was just exposed.
In order to come out of this delusion one must be willing to lay the axe to the root. I recommend people stop listening to all these celebrity preachers (who are all ministers of Satan dressed as sheep) and just read the Bible plainly without the baggage of preconceived conclusions.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
What the wolves have done is invent a doctrine where the death of Christ on the cross somehow "cancelled the demands of the law." Thus under the deception when one is "identified with Christ" (in this forensic positional salvation) one can "no longer be condemned."
Here is what the Bible really teaches about not being under the law...
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Not being under the law is CONDITIONAL of being led of the Spirit hence...
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Which is why Paul would write...1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Therefore when Paul writes in Romans 7...
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Being delivered from the law is clearly in the context of serving in the Spirit which matches up with everything else Paul writes in all his other writings.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
One can only be dead to the law when they are dead to sin.
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [This is the shift from serving sin to serving Christ]
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Many are deceived today by a false understanding of the death of Christ which leads them to believe that engaging in sin has no bearing on their justification. They are dead wrong. What we do has EVERYTHING to do as to whether we are justified or not. There is only no condemnation for those who are IN Christ and thus WALK after the Spirit FULFILLING THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW IN THEM.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
In a nutshell the ministers of Satan have been able to twist the Scriptures in such a way as to promote the idea of a disconnect of conduct from justification. Thus they (and those whom they have deceived) will always defend being able to engage in sin and remain in a justified state.
Besides ignoring what the Scriptures I listed above plainly say they are also beheld by the delusion of the Penal Substitution doctrine where they literally believe Jesus obeyed as their substitute and thus the obedience of Jesus is credited to their account. Thus, in their mind, to connect "their own obedience" to justification would be adding to the "forensic credit of Jesus' obedience."
This deception is like an onion with layer upon layer of fallacy. When you expose one layer or facet the deceived people fall back upon another layer of facet of their deception in order to uphold the one that was just exposed.
In order to come out of this delusion one must be willing to lay the axe to the root. I recommend people stop listening to all these celebrity preachers (who are all ministers of Satan dressed as sheep) and just read the Bible plainly without the baggage of preconceived conclusions.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
ShyForHim, Cobus was trying to exhort you in love and in truth. If you took his comment as judgmental then you should re-read it. You need as a young believer to receive instruction, but weigh all things against the Word. If scripture confirms their word then receive it. If what people say oppose scripture reject it. But to not take everything so personally. To do this you must read the Bible, immerse yourself in it day and night, letting Holy Spirit guide you into all truths