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Jesus never forced people to accept him as their Savior. Why should we? People do have free will to accept Jesus, or reject him..

No dear brother, Jesus said he didn't come to judge, but to save. He said our own heart already condemns us. He delivers us from shame & humiliation & guilt. His love changes people, not condemnation. Threats of hellfire may keep people from doing a certain thing, but it won't change their heart. It will only keep them in fear.

The reason the world is more & more blind to Christ is because of folks representing him as an angry, horrid tyrant who expects people to crawl to him in fear. Remember the prodigal son crawling back saying he would ask his father if he could be a servant? His father didn't entertain that nonsense. He told the servants to put shoes on his son's feet and a royal robe. His son was not a servant. That son NEVER lost his inheritance. He only lost SIGHT of it.

There is only ONE WAY people will turn from selfishness & foolish behavior, when they see US walking in liberty & love & joy & peace. When they see the fruit of the Spirit in US, they will get hungry for God. They will NEVER get hungry for salvation if it looks like God is Dungeon Master and we are his obedient slaves. YUCK!!!

We have to be the change we want to see in the world. And we all have to remind each other of that in love. I know I sure need reminding.

No everyone can judge in that way, got questions explained the difference between right and wrong judging. If I say: don't judge, I mean don't judge someone's heart, not that you may not say that it's sin or that the person lives in sin, just not harsh and unforgiving and it may even be meant well and come from a good heart, but the guy that spoke to me who thought I was a lesbian, I thought he was a hateful bigot the way he spoke, but he was not. If I thought that, a gay or lesbian may think that too. He could change his approach and talk less harsh.

God gave us a brain for a reason. We can have discernment and wisdom about situations and people. If we know or strongly suspect a pastor is stealing, are we still going to donate? We are not judging his salvation because people can change though Christ, the only eternal change He is, but we can say, if we know for sure, that he is stealing if he is.
In fact a person can change on their deathbed, so how can we judge or predict who is going to heaven or hell?
Also judging peoples motivations can be tricky at times. I find more sure footing to say he said this or that, or did this or that.
A man who is continually having sex with another man, or other man is engaged in sexual immorality of the homosexual nature, in my view.
A lot of us here might say it is because he has a lust for perversion, and I suppose that would be true on some level with most, if not all of them?
But how about the guy whose dad did that to him as a boy? My heart goes out to that boy, now a man. And then maybe some well meaning Christian comes along and wants to guilt this person, or continually tell him he is in sin?
We are all individuals. I can't recall one place in the bible where it lumps homosexuals as group using that word, or lesbians, or men and woman who practice perverse sexual acts.
God sees us as individual people who need to be viewed as such.
Taking a position of viewing all homosexuals together as a group of sinners in the minds eye rather then as individual people is probably counter to how God views them, and is a step toward dehumanizing them.
It is an act of sexual immorality. An act, not a person. If they decide to identify themselves like that, so be it. That is just them falling into the devils trap. We should not do that when speaking to them bout sin, I don't think.
That is where the Holy Spirit comes in. If we pray, and listen also, for Gods voice, He instructs us on when to speak, when to be quiet. And sometimes even what words to use and not use.
It always comes back to Christ. Our relationship with Him is the key to everything.
God forgive the times I don't pray enough and lose that sensitivity.
Oh Jesus, help us all.

I have seen many people on this forum promote the gay agenda ..every few days we have a thread that tries to do that very thing ....

The one and only reason you created this thread, was to create controversy, instigate others and judge US for supposedly not judging others according to how you would have us judge them. We get it, YOU HATE GAYS..

Then you should easily be able to post at least a couple of dozen links here, with hardly any effort at all. Get these "naysayers" off your back right now.

To force it on someone is death. Coming to repentance has to be a personal transaction. Not because someone beat you over the head with a book.

You dont know the nature of his heart do you? Its entirely unfair to purport that he made a thread because he hates gays. I think he probably hates the homosexual SIN just as I do and so should you!


Blessed are you when men revile you, and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely, on account of Me. Rejoice, and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you (Matthew 5:11-12).

No dear brother, Jesus said he didn't come to judge, but to save. He said our own heart already condemns us. He delivers us from shame & humiliation & guilt. His love changes people, not condemnation. Threats of hellfire may keep people from doing a certain thing, but it won't change their heart. It will only keep them in fear.

The reason the world is more & more blind to Christ is because of folks representing him as an angry, horrid tyrant who expects people to crawl to him in fear. Remember the prodigal son crawling back saying he would ask his father if he could be a servant? His father didn't entertain that nonsense. He told the servants to put shoes on his son's feet and a royal robe. His son was not a servant. That son NEVER lost his inheritance. He only lost SIGHT of it.

There is only ONE WAY people will turn from selfishness & foolish behavior, when they see US walking in liberty & love & joy & peace. When they see the fruit of the Spirit in US, they will get hungry for God. They will NEVER get hungry for salvation if it looks like God is Dungeon Master and we are his obedient slaves. YUCK!!!

We have to be the change we want to see in the world. And we all have to remind each other of that in love. I know I sure need reminding.

I DO hate homosexual sin. Many of my neighbors here are gay. Two of them live across the hall and call each other honey and dear all the time. AWKWARD.. I love THEM, but hate their sin. And Mitspa's been an instigator since day one. Just ask all the other sites he's been banned from..lol

A person cannot come to repentance without being shown the law. Show them the law and follow up with the gospel of grace. It all works together

Conversely we have to be careful to not promote the hyper grace view.

A person cannot come to repentance without being shown the law. Show them the law and follow up with the gospel of grace. It all works together

Actually they can. One guy in our church got saved because he got prayed for and received joy. Then he gave his heart to the Lord. I got saved because God did everything I asked for as an atheist. Noone ever told me about the law first. So many people now get saved because God first heals them. That's how Jesus caught the fish. You don't tell a fish he has to bite because he has to die. You throw some bread, so he bites.

Have you spoken out the gospel to your gay neighbors?

And what is the law that all the laws hang on? Isn't the law to love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul and to love your neighbor as yourself the one? When we talk about "THE LAW" it just sounds so stifling and dead.

Well that some of scripture anyways but not the whole message

One look at the family forum and all it's gay, porn and adultery threads should tell ya that christians ARE sinners..lol.. Jesus came to save the sinners, not the righteous..