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Did anyone ever notice that when Jesus turned to address the rich young ruler, the Bible says "He loved him?" He never told him he was wrong... only what was right. (as we should do, likewise) And, the same book doesn't say he "stopped" loving him, only that "with God, he could enter Heaven."

Neither did He condemn the woman caught in adultery.... in fact, He never even mentioned the act to her.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I suggest we start defending hate, judgement and anger
oh wait, that's what most online Christians do every day anyway, claiming it is God's word

carry on
 
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roaringkitten

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Good. I can't stand those guys who hold signs which read: "God hates gays"
Romans 1 shows the depravity of man. Right on through Romans 3 shows the Gentiles guilty before God, the Jews guilty before God, and the world guilty before God. Preaching against sin is Biblical and when one preaches the Word of God, they must use the full counsel of the entire Word. That includes preaching against sin.

"Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression..." Isa 58:1

Real love is showing the people their sins, and showing them the means to salvation offered through Jesus Christ. God hates sin. Jesus and the apostles in the NT preached against sin!(of course that wasn't the only thing they preached on) Abhor what is evil, cleave to that which is good!


" Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good." Rom 12:9
 

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And a lot can only stand with a sign: you're an abomination! and don't get them in.
I'm not saying we should go around calling sinners names or to hate them. I'm saying that once they call upon the name of the LORD they cannot continue to dwell in sin and think that it is all right...If you are truly saved and washed clean you cannot go back and wallow in the mud. You can not be a Christian and entangled in sin too. Sin is bondage.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

With that last verse, I think it would be better for someone to admit that they are not a Christian and are not following God's word. Instead of pretending to know him, all the while make a mockery of his word.
 
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Preach on that in church, so the people live holy. Sodom would have been saved if the miracles Jesus did had been done there. Focus on that. They'll want to know how they can change.
Smith Wigglesworth sat in a train and said nothing but read his Bible. The man in front of him said: sir you convict me of my sin.
Yes, "be the sermon" with your life.... and sometimes, even use words.
 
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I'm not saying we should go around calling sinners names or to hate them. I'm saying that once they call upon the name of the LORD they cannot continue to dwell in sin and think that it is all right...If you are truly saved and washed clean you cannot go back and wallow in the mud. You can not be a Christian and entangled in sin too. Sin is bondage.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

With that last verse, I think it would be better for someone to admit that they are not a Christian and are not following God's word. Instead of pretending to know him, all the while make a mockery of his word.
Uh...... I think that you will find that the entire thrust of Galatians is that they WERE going back to adhering to laws (Yes, "God's" laws), but not remembering Jesus' way of love in dealing with others.
 
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Romans 1 shows the depravity of man. Right on through Romans 3 shows the Gentiles guilty before God, the Jews guilty before God, and the world guilty before God. Preaching against sin is Biblical and when one preaches the Word of God, they must use the full counsel of the entire Word. That includes preaching against sin.

"Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression..." Isa 58:1

Real love is showing the people their sins, and showing them the means to salvation offered through Jesus Christ. God hates sin. Jesus and the apostles in the NT preached against sin!(of course that wasn't the only thing they preached on) Abhor what is evil, cleave to that which is good!


" Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good." Rom 12:9
Right, and take care that that soul you are "showing sin" to knows that you are doing so out of love and not out of spite!

Conviction of sin is the work of the Holy Spirit:
"When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment..." (John 16:8)
 

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Uh...... I think that you will find that the entire thrust of Galatians is that they WERE going back to adhering to laws (Yes, "God's" laws), but not remembering Jesus' way of love in dealing with others.
Jesus loves everyone and will forgive any who asks him. We are all going to slip up and make mistakes in ourselves, but if we call upon Jesus for forgiveness then we are not in bondage of sin. If we don't ask for forgiveness for a sin and just reason with in ourselves that it is not a sin even though God says that it is... then how can we be forgiven...You have to know the truth and ask for forgiveness to get forgiveness.
 
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Jesus loves everyone and will forgive any who asks him. We are all going to slip up and make mistakes in ourselves, but if we call upon Jesus for forgiveness then we are not in bondage of sin. If we don't ask for forgiveness for a sin and just reason with in ourselves that it is not a sin even though God says that it is... then how can we be forgiven...You have to know the truth and ask for forgiveness to get forgiveness.
Helping someone "know the truth" is not telling them they are a dirty faggot, going to Hell, but helping them see that Jesus loves them, but not how they are living.

No matter how much we try to claim that is what we are doing, we somehow, just can't force ourselves to simply stop at delivering Jesus' message of love without also pointing a condemning finger. I guess it makes us feel better.
 
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Did anyone ever notice that when Jesus turned to address the rich young ruler, the Bible says "He loved him?" He never told him he was wrong... only what was right. (as we should do, likewise) And, the same book doesn't say he "stopped" loving him, only that "with God, he could enter Heaven."

Neither did He condemn the woman caught in adultery.... in fact, He never even mentioned the act to her.
He actually did tell the rich young ruler he was wrong;

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

With the woman about to be stoned,Jesus didn't have to mention her sin,it was the reason she was being stoned.

Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman,“Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.

 
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I'm not saying we should go around calling sinners names or to hate them. I'm saying that once they call upon the name of the LORD they cannot continue to dwell in sin and think that it is all right...If you are truly saved and washed clean you cannot go back and wallow in the mud. You can not be a Christian and entangled in sin too. Sin is bondage.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

With that last verse, I think it would be better for someone to admit that they are not a Christian and are not following God's word. Instead of pretending to know him, all the while make a mockery of his word.

Pr.26-As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
 
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He actually did tell the rich young ruler he was wrong;

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

With the woman about to be stoned,Jesus didn't have to mention her sin,it was the reason she was being stoned.

Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman,“Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.

As I said..... he did NOT do what we love to do. And that is to make sure they get told, loud and clear, how wrong they are/were.
 

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i'm not pro adultery. i'm not pro fornication.
 
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kaylagrl

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Helping someone "know the truth" is not telling them they are a dirty faggot, going to Hell, but helping them see that Jesus loves them, but not how they are living.

No matter how much we try to claim that is what we are doing, we somehow, just can't force ourselves to simply stop at delivering Jesus' message of love without also pointing a condemning finger. I guess it makes us feel better.



Quote "Helping someone "know the truth" is not telling them they are a dirty faggot, going to Hell, but helping them see that Jesus loves them, but not how they are living."

The story I told about my father preaching and the young homosexual man coming to the Lord is the perfect example. He told him he was in sin,which the young man did not know,he told him he needed to be saved and turn from sin to see heaven one day. The words "dirty fa**ot" nowhere to be found. Preach the truth,in love. I cant see how any Christian can disagree with that.

Quote "we somehow, just can't force ourselves to simply stop at delivering Jesus' message of love without also pointing a condemning finger."

You're making a judgement call Willie. Thats ridiculous. Pointing out sin,which is what the Bible does,does not mean condemnation in the way you mean it. Sin condemns US ALL to death. You're talking about self righteous condemnation, Christians are living in sin so who are they to say homosexuality is wrong. But you are making an assumption and a judgment call that Christians are living in sin. Committing a sin and LIVING IN SIN are two different things. As a Christian we are striving each day to be more Christlike,more mature in our walk. But to say we are condemning someone by telling them sin is wrong is ridiculous.

Jude -And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.
 
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kaylagrl

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As I said..... he did NOT do what we love to do. And that is to make sure they get told, loud and clear, how wrong they are/were.

​Who is "we"? And you are judging another persons intent. You don't know a persons heart. Preaching against sin,pointing out sin is not wrong. Unless we are talking Westboro,which we are not,then you are judging a persons heart and intent.
 
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Mitspa

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So what the OP is really saying is that we should hate people for sinning and be more judgmental of them. Because that is what God wants. Got it.
I'm just using the common logic used to defend, excuse, and promote other sins in the body of Christ.. if one can be a "gay" christian ..then one can be a adulterous and fornicationist christians as well... this is not hard logic for any honest person to understand
 

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Helping someone "know the truth" is not telling them they are a dirty faggot, going to Hell, but helping them see that Jesus loves them, but not how they are living.

No matter how much we try to claim that is what we are doing, we somehow, just can't force ourselves to simply stop at delivering Jesus' message of love without also pointing a condemning finger. I guess it makes us feel better.
I'm not sure, but we may be saying the same thing here...I don't go around calling people dirty faggots or filthy whores or anything like that. I agree that we have to show the love of God and let him do the cleaning people up. I'm just saying I am not going to twist the word of God and tell someone that they can be saved and live a gay lifestyle...or live a lifestyle that includes fornication or adultery or any such thing. I'm not going to ignore or twist the word of God to appease anyone, not even myself. I could try to justify sin for myself, but that would not do me any good. I have to ask for forgiveness and let Jesus keep me clean and keep me walking in the Spirit with him, otherwise I am not a child of God. If I say sin is good and I don't need forgiveness from it, them I am lying against the truth and the word of God.
 
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Actually she's agreeing with you, Mitspa. We can't judge someone else for their sin, especially if we are doing that sin ourselves..or any sin, for that matter.
or any sin, for that matter.
Correct interpretation of Matthew 7 is that we make sure we ourselves are not guilty of a particular sin before we think we can judge another of that sin.

If it was the way you say, we could never(according to the scriptures) judge another because we all sin!
 
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Mitspa

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Helping someone "know the truth" is not telling them they are a dirty faggot, going to Hell, but helping them see that Jesus loves them, but not how they are living.

No matter how much we try to claim that is what we are doing, we somehow, just can't force ourselves to simply stop at delivering Jesus' message of love without also pointing a condemning finger. I guess it makes us feel better.
Ok when do you tell them the truth about their sin and what God demands from then...after you have made them think it's fine to be a gay chirstian? That's not how you led folks to Christ. .and that's not how real Christians behave
 
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