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Magenta

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These posts are pretty old. I'm not sure if I belong here but I wanted to talk about my issues. I have been very depressed lately and for about the last 3 months I drink every night. Sometimes all day. It depends what's going on. So for those of you who have struggled do you think I have a problem?
I was going to post the questions to ask yourself so you could determine if you had a problem with alcohol according to experts in the field... I took the test myself just now, answering "No" to ALL the questions, and the results showed I was at mild risk :eek::giggle::giggle::giggle: I may joke a bit about it, but I know it to be a deadly disease, referred to as cunning, baffling, and powerful. Without help it is too much for us, but there is One Who has all power.

Many such quizzes are available online. If you are unsure whether or not you have a problem, I would suggest answering the questions posed in such a questionnaire.

It also says this:
Alcohol addiction is a chronic disease that can devastate your health, strain your finances and damage your relationships with family and loved ones. According to the World Health Organization, harmful alcohol use causes 3.3 million deaths per year and more than 200 diseases and injury conditions.
 

calibob

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Thank you all for sharing. You can always tell an alcoholic, but you can't tell them much was me too. I used to resent meetings and go straight to the liquor store (with others from the meetings) afterwards. I didn't want to stop drinking, heck no, I just wanted the alcoholism to go away. I hoped for some kink of magical prayer or philosophy that would allow me to drink every day without problems like my father. Not drinking made me feel less than among my friends and family. Who all drank. Except my mom who felt the same way because she couldn't hold it down.
 

Magenta

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The truth about 12 step meetings is you we won't get fed unless we open our mouths.
But first, we open our ears :D

I used to hear it said more often in the past, but heard it again this morning:

"Take the cotton batten out of your ears and put it in your mouth." :giggle:
 

calibob

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Not all meetings are the same. Compare a closed old timers meeting where we must have 20+ years in the program to speak, vs., an open newcomers meeting, where newcomers are encouraged to spill their guts. Old timers are allowed to respond in turn for the sake of the 12th step and the no cross talk rule is often over looked. I sound like an alien now to those who are unfamiliar with the program. Stay tuned kids. Everything takes time. Easy does it, 1 day at a time. ;) Keep comming back, it works.
 

calibob

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I was thinking during dinner it was about time Robopp came calling for donations and thought it would be appropriate to bring up the 7th tradition also. Low and behold when I came back in my PM box it was so here's the pitch;

Every group ought to be self supporting... We don't pay lights, provide coffee or donuts. We each provide our own materials that we collected personally, sometimes purchased, sometimes given by sponsors or 12th steppers or borrowed from the internet to share with you, free. However if you value your recovery and want to be a blessing please support CC.
 

Bingo

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White Bison's Philosophy...™ WhiteBison_9.png

We believe...
Mother Earth is governed by a set of Principles, Laws and Values
Leadership exists to serve the people first
Leadership existence is to ensure that information (Truth) is given to the people
Changes are the result of implementing Natural laws
All Native people believe in a Supreme Being
In the Elders and teachings as a guiding force to direct ourselves, families and communities
That there is a natural order running the universe
That our traditional ways were knowledgeable about the natural order
When the community leads, the leaders will follow
Alcohol and drugs are destroying us and we want to recover
That change comes from within the individual, the family and the community
That within each person, family and community is the innate knowledge for well being
The solution resides within each community
Interconnectedness - it takes everyone to heal the community
Healing will take place through he application of cultural and spiritual knowledge
Alcohol is a symptom...not the cause, drugs are a symptom...not the cause, Domestic Violence is a

symptom...not the cause. To "heal a community" it needs to deal with the cause
That the Circle and the Four Directions are the Teachers
In the Four Laws of Change
Change is from within
In order for development to occur, it must be preceded by a vision
A great learning must take place
You must create a Healing Forest
OUR CULTURE IS PREVENTION
 

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calibob

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I didn't know you were familiar with the red road. I served 1 semester of internship at Changing Spirits, Long Beach. My late sponsor was on the board.
All their materials came from White Bison.
 

Bingo

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I didn't know you were familiar with the red road. I served 1 semester of internship at Changing Spirits, Long Beach. My late sponsor was on the board.
All their materials came from White Bison.
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"My sponsor had many friends in many places, and he shared many things over the years.
He owned property in Simi Valley plus in Arizona where I first met him. He was a very interesting
individual, and was a great inspiration. He moved back to Ca. after his wife passed away, this
was before we left Az. and moved here to Mo. in 2010...my old stomping grounds, so to speak.
Worked as an Ironworker out of St. Louis for several years."
'Praise God'
 

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Bingo

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~A Design For A New Life...®

Posted by Bingo , June 22, 2014 ·®

"A design for a new life, comes not easy! Words before you may be BOLD, yet with love unto ALL that see and hear. One important fact, one must put aside selfishness of self! To harbor this, is foolishness! Yet it is displayed far and wide, woe be to those that are many. Quarrelsome relations, addictive abuses, etc. etc. are not overcome or manageable by going to church, reading scripture, or even professing to have faith. A reborn spiritual life comes from ACTION in ones daily life.
( this life is not out of a book or hearsay, personal experience has to be lived, over 4 decades running amuck...been there, done it...plus the worst of the worst. )
Only by the Grace of God...( a profound spiritual experience! ) this life has been reborn with a profound spiritual awareness and to share is the simple mission. The SPIRITUAL TRUTH of scripture
before you will make sense and with hope, God will reveal Himself to you in a form that you can accept, understand, believe, and have faith IN ALL THINGS, and AT ALL TIMES."
Praise God!...
 

calibob

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"My sponsor had many friends in many places, and he shared many things over the years.
He owned property in Simi Valley plus in Arizona where I first met him. He was a very interesting
individual, and was a great inspiration. He moved back to Ca. after his wife passed away, this
was before we left Az. and moved here to Mo. in 2010...my old stomping grounds, so to speak.
Worked as an Ironworker out of St. Louis for several years."
'Praise God'
Walking the Red Road is a substantial personal commitment and responsibility. It is a 24/7/365 balanced life between self, family, community, and Creator. I write this not as a judge of who is or is not Walking the Red Road, but as someone who struggles with this balancing act. No person can judge if you are on the Red Road, where you are located, how fast you are traveling, or if you belong on this Path. That is the good news about this life/living route. (c.o. David Patterson Silver Wolf)

P.S. My Native American name was Bruce Fox. Black Feet. The Black Foot are from Canada. I don't burn sage, participate in sweat lodge or do native ceremonies. My creator is Yahweh (God), Yahushua (his son, Jesus), and the Holy (great) Spirit. Those are the names I call upon. Other than that we are pretty much in sinc. Let's get the show on the road.
 

Bingo

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~A Design For A New Life...®

Posted by Bingo , June 22, 2014 ·®

"A design for a new life, comes not easy! Words before you may be BOLD, yet with love unto ALL that see and hear. One important fact, one must put aside selfishness of self! To harbor this, is foolishness! Yet it is displayed far and wide, woe be to those that are many. Quarrelsome relations, addictive abuses, etc. etc. are not overcome or manageable by going to church, reading scripture, or even professing to have faith. A reborn spiritual life comes from ACTION in ones daily life.
( this life is not out of a book or hearsay, personal experience has to be lived, over 4 decades running amuck...been there, done it...plus the worst of the worst. )
Only by the Grace of God...( a profound spiritual experience! ) this life has been reborn with a profound spiritual awareness and to share is the simple mission. The SPIRITUAL TRUTH of scripture
before you will make sense and with hope, God will reveal Himself to you in a form that you can accept, understand, believe, and have faith IN ALL THINGS, and AT ALL TIMES."
Praise God!...
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seoulsearch

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Hi Calibob,

I hope I'm not intruding on your thread.

I just wanted to tell you what an awesome idea this thread was and it's so encouraging to see people lifting each other up in their struggles.

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading about everyone's journey and challenges in becoming who God really wants us to be, and it uplifts me in my own personal fights as well.

God's blessings to you and many thanks to you and all the people here who are contributing to this thread.

You're helping others by sharing your own walk with God. :)
 

calibob

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Step 10 is the new beginning of the home stretch. road-to-recovery.jpg

10.) We continue to take personal inventory and when are wrong we quickly admit it, while continuing to recognize our progress in CRA.

In step 10, we learn how to maintain the gains we made in our recovery, and how to continue growing. If we have been sincere in following good orderly directions, we have begun to leave our liabilities behind and replace them with assets, physical, emotional and spiritual. The tenth step allows to monitor our progress and keep moving in a positive direction.

Sorry folks I have 6 messages waiting so I'll step aside. I'm still calibob, I'm still recovering and this meeting is still open. Praise the Lord!
 

calibob

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Hi Calibob,

I hope I'm not intruding on your thread.

I just wanted to tell you what an awesome idea this thread was and it's so encouraging to see people lifting each other up in their struggles.

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading about everyone's journey and challenges in becoming who God really wants us to be, and it uplifts me in my own personal fights as well.

God's blessings to you and many thanks to you and all the people here who are contributing to this thread.

You're helping others by sharing your own walk with God. :)
Come on back any time. You are always welcome here sister! PTL.
 

Magenta

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Hi Calibob,

I hope I'm not intruding on your thread.

I just wanted to tell you what an awesome idea this thread was and it's so encouraging to see people lifting each other up in their struggles.

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading about everyone's journey and challenges in becoming who God really wants us to be, and it uplifts me in my own personal fights as well.

God's blessings to you and many thanks to you and all the people here who are contributing to this thread.

You're helping others by sharing your own walk with God. :)
Kim! No intrusion at all, perish the thought, for everyone is welcome, :) We all have struggles and are challenged in various ways. The 12 steps would be a good addition to anybody's life ;) You know I am a fan of yours, your threads, your thoughts, your heart, your attitude, and your ability to analyse and articulate complex situations. You are a bright light in the CC forums, and a wonderful role model, and friend. Your participation and feedback here is most welcome :love: Please make yourself at home if/as you so desire :):):)
 

seoulsearch

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Kim! No intrusion at all, perish the thought, for everyone is welcome, :) We all have struggles and are challenged in various ways. The 12 steps would be a good addition to anybody's life ;) You know I am a fan of yours, your threads, your thoughts, your heart, your attitude, and your ability to analyse and articulate complex situations. You are a bright light in the CC forums, and a wonderful role model, and friend. Your participation and feedback here is most welcome :love: Please make yourself at home if/as you so desire :):):)
Thank you so much for your kind words, Magenta.

I appreciate it so much but I have to tell you, I think anyone who's read several of my posts also knows I can be meaner than a viper and not the best role model as far as temperament! o_O

I highly respect you as a wise, very giving Christian sister and am grateful for the things you share. I'm always looking for people to learn from in my Christian walk and for me, there's no better place than among other Christians who are honest and real about how hard walking that walk really is.

I think it's unfair for me to just sit in and read about everyone else, so I want to be honest in sharing that my greatest lifelong struggle has been with disordered eating. I call it disordered eating rather than an eating disorder because I've never fit into one particular category, and when I went to professionals for help, oddly enough, they totally disregarded what I told them about the eating and said that I had depression instead.

I understand that depression can be a root cause, but their solution (not surprisingly) was to try to put me on a myriad of antidepressant drugs. One of the churches I was heavily involved in (also unsurprisingly) told me to "throw away all the drugs" and "just believe" Jesus had healed me instead.

And so, after about a 10-year stretch and more counselors than I can remember, I couldn't see where the medical angle was helping me (but I thoroughly encourage anyone struggling with something to please seek professional help, because it just might work for you), I decided, no more "mood" medications, no more counselors (some were even Christian), and I'll see how I fare just trying to walk with God.

I certainly don't want to sound like I'm in some kind of dire situation. In my own estimation, I was never extreme, but in our own eyes, I guess we never are, huh? God has been so good to me in helping me to finally get up and move on from the things that really flare up my symptoms (such as the wrong friendships and relationships.) It took me years to let these things go because I was highly emotionally co-dependent. But now my relationship with food is much closer to normal than it's ever been before and I have only God and very patient people to thank for that.

And the one thing I'm grateful for in all of this is that I think it gives me just a small glimpse into the struggles of my Christian brothers and sisters. Like Paul, I've prayed many times that God would take away this "thorn" in my flesh, but it's still there. I can just imagine how many times my Christian brothers and sisters have prayed for the obsessive thoughts and cravings to go away, but every morning you wake up, and those feelings are still there.

I don't know what it's like to have to struggle with not taking a drink (that leads to an endless stream of more), but I know what it's like to be addicted to a substance, and for me, that would be food. I know what it's like to plan your entire days off or weeks around buying 3 or more bags of groceries, cooking/preparing them all, scarfing down every last morsel and then worrying about how you're going to prevent it from affecting your appearance, using every means necessary, such as purging, obsessive exercise, starving, and using sleeping pills that you're hoping will make you continuously sleep instead of eating.

Every day when I look at food in stores, ads, windows, and restaurants everywhere around me, every time I feel stressed out and try to avoid the destructive cycle I know I'm secretly planning in the back of my mind, I think about what it must be like for people who wake up in the morning and feel surrounded by the substances they crave and obsessively start planning their days around, and I feel broken-hearted for them.

Thank you all so much for sharing your stories.

I know mine is in a different category and I held back from sharing because a problem like this makes me feel a little out of place when it comes to sitting among those who really know what a true fight is. Thank you for being so gracious to listen.

Even if I don't say much here, I'm trying to follow along and will definitely be praying for the people who are bravely sharing their struggles, and taking that huge risk in order to reach out to others.

God bless and thank you so much again. :)
 

Bingo

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Thank you so much for your kind words, Magenta.

I appreciate it so much but I have to tell you, I think anyone who's read several of my posts also knows I can be meaner than a viper and not the best role model as far as temperament! o_O

I highly respect you as a wise, very giving Christian sister and am grateful for the things you share. I'm always looking for people to learn from in my Christian walk and for me, there's no better place than among other Christians who are honest and real about how hard walking that walk really is.

I think it's unfair for me to just sit in and read about everyone else, so I want to be honest in sharing that my greatest lifelong struggle has been with disordered eating. I call it disordered eating rather than an eating disorder because I've never fit into one particular category, and when I went to professionals for help, oddly enough, they totally disregarded what I told them about the eating and said that I had depression instead.

I understand that depression can be a root cause, but their solution (not surprisingly) was to try to put me on a myriad of antidepressant drugs. One of the churches I was heavily involved in (also unsurprisingly) told me to "throw away all the drugs" and "just believe" Jesus had healed me instead.

And so, after about a 10-year stretch and more counselors than I can remember, I couldn't see where the medical angle was helping me (but I thoroughly encourage anyone struggling with something to please seek professional help, because it just might work for you), I decided, no more "mood" medications, no more counselors (some were even Christian), and I'll see how I fare just trying to walk with God.

I certainly don't want to sound like I'm in some kind of dire situation. In my own estimation, I was never extreme, but in our own eyes, I guess we never are, huh? God has been so good to me in helping me to finally get up and move on from the things that really flare up my symptoms (such as the wrong friendships and relationships.) It took me years to let these things go because I was highly emotionally co-dependent. But now my relationship with food is much closer to normal than it's ever been before and I have only God and very patient people to thank for that.

And the one thing I'm grateful for in all of this is that I think it gives me just a small glimpse into the struggles of my Christian brothers and sisters. Like Paul, I've prayed many times that God would take away this "thorn" in my flesh, but it's still there. I can just imagine how many times my Christian brothers and sisters have prayed for the obsessive thoughts and cravings to go away, but every morning you wake up, and those feelings are still there.

I don't know what it's like to have to struggle with not taking a drink (that leads to an endless stream of more), but I know what it's like to be addicted to a substance, and for me, that would be food. I know what it's like to plan your entire days off or weeks around buying 3 or more bags of groceries, cooking/preparing them all, scarfing down every last morsel and then worrying about how you're going to prevent it from affecting your appearance, using every means necessary, such as purging, obsessive exercise, starving, and using sleeping pills that you're hoping will make you continuously sleep instead of eating.

Every day when I look at food in stores, ads, windows, and restaurants everywhere around me, every time I feel stressed out and try to avoid the destructive cycle I know I'm secretly planning in the back of my mind, I think about what it must be like for people who wake up in the morning and feel surrounded by the substances they crave and obsessively start planning their days around, and I feel broken-hearted for them.

Thank you all so much for sharing your stories.

I know mine is in a different category and I held back from sharing because a problem like this makes me feel a little out of place when it comes to sitting among those who really know what a true fight is. Thank you for being so gracious to listen.

Even if I don't say much here, I'm trying to follow along and will definitely be praying for the people who are bravely sharing their struggles, and taking that huge risk in order to reach out to others.

God bless and thank you so much again. :)
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"Thank you for being you, and for sharing. All are welcome...come as you are.......
Sharing our experiences...hopes, interests, faith...life happening in general.

For we are here to learn, share, love, appreciate and to give of ourselves."
'Praise God'
 

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Bingo

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Kim! No intrusion at all, perish the thought, for everyone is welcome, :) We all have struggles and are challenged in various ways. The 12 steps would be a good addition to anybody's life ;) You know I am a fan of yours, your threads, your thoughts, your heart, your attitude, and your ability to analyse and articulate complex situations. You are a bright light in the CC forums, and a wonderful role model, and friend. Your participation and feedback here is most welcome :love: Please make yourself at home if/as you so desire :):):)
"Amen"........:)