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U
The line of common sense and good judgement .....neither of which God is lacking. I think advocates of using the rod on children should be a little more specific when they speak. What material should the rod be made of ? Wood, light metal, fiberglass ?? And what is the maximum allowable thickness (for the sake of effectiveness, of course) ? How many whacks are recommended or does it really matter because I'll be doing it out of love ? And while I'm at it, do you guys still have your right eyes or have you plucked them out as Jesus instructed when you offended your body and being by lusting at one time or another ? Are your right hands still attached or have they too been severed as we have surely been instructed to do when we have offended our bodies before God ? See where I'm going with this ? Can anybody argue that we were told these things as well ? Common sense and good judgement. If you're ever blessed with the opportunity to hold your newborn son or daughter, the greatest earthly gift given us by our God and Saviour and whose expectation it is that we gladly would give our lives for theirs,.....if and when that day arrives, using a rod on your child will surely be the last thing that enters your mind. Or for the sake of the God we profess to love and follow, I surely hope so.
R
You are blind to the truth my friend. It would be better to altogether stop sinning. Do you really have that little self-control that you would have to go so far as plucking out your eye? And yet, good sense is to fear God. YES! It would be better to actually pluck out your eye than to end up in hell, that is the severity of it. But it is Much better to stop sinning altogether. Hell is an eternal flame where you are tortured night and day with no rest for all eternity. You are mocked and burned, some are stabbed while the chants of hell fill their souls. You don't know unrest. YES! It is literally better to cut off your hand than your whole body end up in hell. But it is Much better to stop sinning altogether.
So, discipline your child!!! Do not spare the Rod!!! It is better to have their flesh suffer for some period than for them to burn in hell for eternity. No one who has not crucified his flesh can follow Jesus.
So, discipline your child!!! Do not spare the Rod!!! It is better to have their flesh suffer for some period than for them to burn in hell for eternity. No one who has not crucified his flesh can follow Jesus.
U
I'm not exactly sure what being willing to be crucified for the sake of Christ has to do with using a rod to discipline a child Ananda. I'm not using a sarcastic tone here .... I'm simply saying. Am I to assume that you are in agreement with Ramon in his statement that "there is nothing wrong with whipping children" ? Don't misunderstand me Ananda. I am all for disciplining and correcting a child that's on the wrong path. But anybody that tries to convince me that using the rod to discipline their child and claiming it to be biblical and God's will is going to find their message fall on deaf ears. As I said in an earlier post, if thy right eye offends thee, pluck it out etc. etc. ..........and again, if thy right hand offends thee, cut it off etc. etc. Has anybody that you know taken God up on these words ? Of course not. No parent will ever save the soul of their child. It is ours to instruct them and pray for them....and most of all, love them ......period. I'm not talking about firm taps on a childs hand to prevent them from burning themselves on a stove burner which is simply common sense. Be very careful Ananda. You may think that you are bringing them unto submission to God while they are young, frightened and defenseless but they will not always be this way. If they grow up resenting you for administering too severe a punishment when they were young, they will also grow up rejecting the very faith/belief system (Christ) that you had hoped and prayed for them to receive through God's grace. May God's love and grace abound in you 
R
I'm not exactly sure what being willing to be crucified for the sake of Christ has to do with using a rod to discipline a child Ananda. I'm not using a sarcastic tone here .... I'm simply saying. Am I to assume that you are in agreement with Ramon in his statement that "there is nothing wrong with whipping children" ? Don't misunderstand me Ananda. I am all for disciplining and correcting a child that's on the wrong path. But anybody that tries to convince me that using the rod to discipline their child and claiming it to be biblical and God's will is going to find their message fall on deaf ears. As I said in an earlier post, if thy right eye offends thee, pluck it out etc. etc. ..........and again, if thy right hand offends thee, cut it off etc. etc. Has anybody that you know taken God up on these words ? Of course not. No parent will ever save the soul of their child. It is ours to instruct them and pray for them....and most of all, love them ......period. I'm not talking about firm taps on a childs hand to prevent them from burning themselves on a stove burner which is simply common sense. Be very careful Ananda. You may think that you are bringing them unto submission to God while they are young, frightened and defenseless but they will not always be this way. If they grow up resenting you for administering too severe a punishment when they were young, they will also grow up rejecting the very faith/belief system (Christ) that you had hoped and prayed for them to receive through God's grace. May God's love and grace abound in you
Believing God exists is worth nothing, even believing Jesus was from God is hardly worthy anything, if you don't obey him. If you say he is from God and he is the Son of God, and even that he is God, then obey him. If God, then he was in the beginning with God and was also the Same Lord who spoke by any prophet of old time. Is God harsh who sends the unbelieving to hell? NO!!! People end up there by rejecting Jesus Christ. And how do they reject him? By disobedience to his words.
R
HAHA. This just now came to me:
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which does so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest all of you be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 All of you have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And all of you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks unto you as unto children, My son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives.
7 If all of you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not?
8 But if all of you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are all of you bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, * and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which does so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest all of you be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 All of you have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And all of you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks unto you as unto children, My son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives.
7 If all of you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not?
8 But if all of you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are all of you bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, * and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Hebrews 12
A
I'm not exactly sure what being willing to be crucified for the sake of Christ has to do with using a rod to discipline a child Ananda. I'm not using a sarcastic tone here .... I'm simply saying. Am I to assume that you are in agreement with Ramon in his statement that "there is nothing wrong with whipping children" ? Don't misunderstand me Ananda. I am all for disciplining and correcting a child that's on the wrong path. But anybody that tries to convince me that using the rod to discipline their child and claiming it to be biblical and God's will is going to find their message fall on deaf ears. As I said in an earlier post, if thy right eye offends thee, pluck it out etc. etc. ..........and again, if thy right hand offends thee, cut it off etc. etc. Has anybody that you know taken God up on these words ? Of course not. No parent will ever save the soul of their child. It is ours to instruct them and pray for them....and most of all, love them ......period. I'm not talking about firm taps on a childs hand to prevent them from burning themselves on a stove burner which is simply common sense. Be very careful Ananda. You may think that you are bringing them unto submission to God while they are young, frightened and defenseless but they will not always be this way. If they grow up resenting you for administering too severe a punishment when they were young, they will also grow up rejecting the very faith/belief system (Christ) that you had hoped and prayed for them to receive through God's grace. May God's love and grace abound in you
WHAT??? i said we should be willing to do things that make us suffer and be uncomfortable for the good of our kids versus what makes us feel good and nice by NOT being strict enough. We should cruxify our desires and discipline our children as God does to us. Does God physically beat us with a rod? Where in the world did that come from? we are to be strict and give our kids as much opportunity to learn as possible to repent and change their ways that is what GOd does for us. we are to love them but set boundaries as well.
A
yeah i posted that too:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/20866-gods-chastening-godly-fear.html
it seems to have gotten lost and got no response.
Physically disciplining a child is the easy way out, if you're a good parent you don't take the easy way out when it comes to children. If you're child does somthing wrong and you knock 7 shades of **** out them them, they'll stop if you take the time and effort to talk to them tell them what there doing is wrong and why they shouldn't do it, they'll stop it just will take longer.
R
Obedient children don't need discipline. But disobedient children do. Some people fix it before a rod is needed. But a fool is stubborn, and the rod is for his back. In the same way the Rod of the Lord is for the disobedient and foolish children. But if a child is obedient, or doesn't need the Rod then okay, he will be an honor to his parents.
However, I am thankful that the Lord raised me, not so much as my parents. Because the evil I did was in secret, and though I hid it from men, God could see it clearly, and he would send chastisement my way, even though I claimed I did nothing, which in the cases I did nothing physically wrong, but in my heart was murder, lust, bitterness, and all other types of evil, that if the Lord had not cared he would have allowed me to continue in that faux pas into hell. May Jesus bless you.
However, I am thankful that the Lord raised me, not so much as my parents. Because the evil I did was in secret, and though I hid it from men, God could see it clearly, and he would send chastisement my way, even though I claimed I did nothing, which in the cases I did nothing physically wrong, but in my heart was murder, lust, bitterness, and all other types of evil, that if the Lord had not cared he would have allowed me to continue in that faux pas into hell. May Jesus bless you.
T
Oh my stinken gosh lol.
Ramon I know you think you are on the right path but you kinda scare me sometimes.
The bible fits to all cultures.
So The ROD turned into the WHIP which turned into the HAND
Children should never be spanked out of anger if they are spanked.
They should be spanked while their parents are almost bawling because they had to go to that last resort.
Ramon I know you think you are on the right path but you kinda scare me sometimes.
The bible fits to all cultures.
So The ROD turned into the WHIP which turned into the HAND
Children should never be spanked out of anger if they are spanked.
They should be spanked while their parents are almost bawling because they had to go to that last resort.