Geocentrism

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assuming it loaded for you, what you will see is the Heliocentric model...right?

okay.

so now, scroll down the control panel on the left to:

SPEED

slide it to hardly moving

then:

under VIEW OPTIONS

select : EARTH

(remember, the WHOLE thing is based on from WHAT PLACE we are observing:))

so, we have now made the EARTH STAND STILL.

watch as the other bodies go around the stationary earth.

let me know if it works.

Planets < click
 

zone

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no that's not the theory of evolution that is abiogenesis, which i've already stated I don't believe and is still highly contested, but often falsely liked to evolution. along with the Big bang theory. they should be separate because they mix truth with lies.



you misunderstand Evolution and many people who come to this site to "prove" evolution is true are ignorant and don't even know the basic terms to discuss it intelligently.

the theory evolution assumes that a population of a species already exists and then explains how that species changes over time.

the basic concepts really doesn't go against the Bible.

its when people start adding their speculation such as the Big bang theory or abiogenesis that it starts to get shift into lies and teachings that are contrary to the Bible.

For example the idea of natural selection:

the moths. before the industrial revolution the trees were white so more white moves survived in the population but there were still a few grayish ones.

after the factories poluted the area and turned the tree bark darker, more of the darker moths survived because they were better able to camoflauge.

then after the air cleared up and the trees returned to their paler color more white moths were seen in comparison to gray.

that is an example of natural selections: individuals of a population with traits best suited to the environment will survive.

like i said before God already gave that population/ species the different range of traits, it just depended upon the environment to which genetic variation was expressed.

so this aspect of evolutionary theory makes sense and does not contradict anything God has revealed in the Bible.
okay....i understand that.
this thread is about Geocentrism.

my point was:

EVOLUTION is FALSE.

you understood what i meant by that, i am certain.

ONE SPECIES will never evolve into another species.

back to the stationary earth reality:)
 
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the orbits are two dimensional and not in the correct positions.

how does your model explain the retrograde motion of Mars?
 

zone

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the orbits are two dimensional and not in the correct positions.

how does your model explain the retrograde motion of Mars?
hold on.....:) we can get to that.

we first have to determine

1) Helio is a theory
2) Geo is a theory

right?

.....

so,,,,,

does a Stationary earth model work so far, according to the tour you just took?
is there ANY reason it doesn't work?
 
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ONE SPECIES will never evolve into another species.

back to the stationary earth reality:)
lol i just want you to understand what your saying and why it rubs people the wrong way and the tricks people will try to confuse the issue......as for the species statement it depends on how you define the word species.

i don't think organisms gain new traits but just express the innate one they already have in their DNA among the millions of code of "junk" DNA people think doesn't do anything.

lol but back to Earth then...

actually i've got to go to bed.

sorry zone still not convinced. the geocentric bible looked interesting on first skim, might look at it again when i get a chance but still have this feeling I'm not going to agree that the Earth is the center of the universe.

I believe GOD is.
 

zone

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lol i just want you to understand what your saying and why it rubs people the wrong way and the tricks people will try to confuse the issue......as for the species statement it depends on how you define the word species.

i don't think organisms gain new traits but just express the innate one they already have in their DNA among the millions of code of "junk" DNA people think doesn't do anything.

lol but back to Earth then...

actually i've got to go to bed.

sorry zone still not convinced. the geocentric bible looked interesting on first skim, might look at it again when i get a chance but still have this feeling I'm not going to agree that the Earth is the center of the universe.

I believe GOD is.
i understand about God being 'the center' of everything.
of course He is ALL.

we are just discussing a Stationary Earth.
that's all.




(in a Helio model, where is God? - see what i mean?)

k...night.
you'll be convinced if you stay with it - not because i say so, but because you will come to see it is TRUE, AND, Scripture confirms it.
and, we'll even get to why and how the deceiver tricked us into believing otherwise.
 
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hold on.....:) we can get to that.

we first have to determine

1) Helio is a theory
2) Geo is a theory

right?

.....

so,,,,,

does a Stationary earth model work so far, according to the tour you just took?
is there ANY reason it doesn't work?
quite a few, but Mars is the first to come to mind, then there is the seasons and day and night occurance.

by the way do you believe the Earth spins or not? I saw some of the geocentric sites said yes the Earth spins and some said no.
 

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quite a few, but Mars is the first to come to mind, then there is the seasons and day and night occurance.

by the way do you believe the Earth spins or not? I saw some of the geocentric sites said yes the Earth spins and some said no.
no, the earth does not spin.
it doesn't move at all.

nite:)
 

zone

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quite a few, but Mars is the first to come to mind, then there is the seasons and day and night occurance.
but, they (the sun moon and other bodies) are all moving...so of course we have seasons and day and night.
 

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"The Online Nautical Almanac" < click

"The sun and moon pass over the prime meridian at Greenwich, England, every single day"


??

they do?:)

every single day?

:rolleyes:
"One can of course believe anything one likes as long as the consequences of that belief are trivial. But when survival depends on belief, then it matters that belief corresponds to manifest reality.

We therefore teach navigators that the stars are fixed to the Celestial Sphere, which is centered on a fixed Earth, and around which it rotates in accordance with laws clearly deducible from common-sense observation.

The Sun and Moon move across the inner surface of this sphere, and hence perforce go around the Earth.

This means that students of navigation must unlearn a lot of the confused dogma they learned in school. Most of them find this remarkably easy, because dogma is as may be, but the real world is as we perceive it to be.

If Andrew Hill will look in the Journal of Navigation he will find that the Earth-centered Universe is alive and well, whatever his readings of the Spectator may suggest."

Darcy Peddyhoff
Royal Air Force College
Cranwell
Lincolnshire, England
'New Scientist', Aug. 16, 1979, p. 543
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The invention of the telescope has been credited to Hans Lippershey, a Dutch spectacle maker.

Molecular Expressions: Science, Optics and You - Timeline - Hans Lippershey < click

allegedly, Galileo had heard that a Dutchman had devised an instrument composed of two lenses that made objects appear closer. Not wanting to be scooped, Galileo quickly came up with his own version and:


"In August 1609 he invited the Venetian senate to inspect his own 'spy-glass' which, through a combination of a convex and concave lens, was able to magnify objects nine times greater than normal vision. The senate was greatly impressed, particularly by his suggestion that in matters of defense it would enable them to see the sails of ships two hours before they could be seen by the naked eye. When he presented his spy glass to them as a present they expressed their appreciation by doubling his salary to a thousand scudi a year and guaranteeing his position at Padua for the rest of his life. No doubt he felt some embarrassment when local spectacle makers were soon able to replicate his instruments for just a few scudi, but he committed himself to improving the power of his instruments and began to turn his attention to the heavens.

In March of the following year, 1610, he published Sidereus Nuncius, the 'Messenger of the Stars', which revealed the fruits of his observations. The tract was kept deliberately short in order to make it widely accessible and the style of language was uniquely devoid of philosophy. Combined with explosive contents, it made a remarkable impact worldwide. He wrote about the surface of the Moon, dismissing the common view that it was perfectly smooth, and describing it as full of lofty mountains and deep hollows. He wrote about the fixed stars, and told how he had witnessed "other stars, in myriads, which have never been seen before, and which surpass the old, previously known stars in number more than ten times". Most importantly, he wrote of his discovery of four new planets, the Moons of Jupiter which had never been imagined before.

With this, he justified his first ever 'outing' of his heliocentric beliefs, writing:

"Moreover, we have an excellent and exceedingly clear argument to put at rest the scruples of those who can tolerate the revolution of the planets about the Sun in the Copernican system, but are so disturbed by the revolution of the single moon around the earth while both of them describe an annual orbit around the Sun, that they consider this theory to be impossible."6

Galileo was assembling the ammunition to mount the final assault on the geocentric model. That objects could orbit Jupiter instead of the Earth, showed that the Earth could in no way be considered the sole center of the universe. A page from Galileo's journal showing some observations of the movements of the moons of Jupiter:

The Fall of the Geocentric Theory < click


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The Copernican Revolution

In the fifteenth century, a reform of European astronomy began. This was due to the fact that predictions made using the Ptolemaic system were less and less accurate. With the advent of ocean-going vessels, and the expansion of global trade and exploration, navigation using astronomical knowledge had become extremely important. Also, the calendar implemented in 44 BC by Julius Caesar was 10 days off, with the spring equinox now occurring on the 11th of March instead of the 21st (used to fix the date of Easter). Astronomical help was needed! Two astronomers, Peurbach and Regiomontanus (who set up the first European observatory at Nuremburg in 1474) took on the task of locating errors in the works of Ptolemy, as well as errors in published tables and in observations. They had refined some of astronomy, but they had not gotten rid of all of the mounting problems.

Copernicus (1473 to 1543) learned of the works of Peurbach and Regiomontanus while an undergraduate at the University of Cracow (Poland), then spent eight years studying in Italy (five years in Bologna studying liberal arts, and three years at the University of Ferrara where he got a degree in canon law) before returning to a position in the cathedral at Frombork, Poland. Here he spent the majority of his time as a physician, lawyer, and church administrator. In his spare time he dabbled in astronomy. Copernicus was very interested in the Pythagorean mathematics, for he also believed in a harmony of the cosmos. He was, however, not apparently very interested in making new astronomical observations.

By 1514 Copernicus had laid out his heliocentric view of the universe in a manuscript entitled Commentariolus. This short work would put forward most of the elements of the heliocentric system some 39 years before his major manuscript on the theory, De revolutionibus orbium coelestium ("On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres"), was published. While many of the ideas Copernicus was proposing were radical, he still adhered to the Aristotelian view that everything moved in perfect circles, on solid celestial spheres, and moved via the physics espoused by Aristotle. Indeed, he even kept Ptolemy's epicycles in modified form in his new model. But Copernicus knew that his new theory would upset the Church, and he kept it relatively quiet. By moving the Sun to the center of the universe, man was no longer so important, and this could not stand in the view of the Church.

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"Note that this system proposed a radical new idea: the Earth spun on its axis once per day! His theory also gave a simple explanation for the retrograde motions of the planets: the Earth catches up and passes them once each year. He also argued that his system was more elegant than the traditional geocentric system. However, the predictive power of his model was not substantially better than its competition. Besides removing humanity from the central place in God's creation, there were some obvious "problems" with this theory:

1) If the Earth is spinning so fast, how do we remain attached to it--how do birds find their way home again with all of this spinning? [Of course, the counterpoint is what keeps us attached to the spherical Earth in the Geocentric Universe?]

2) Why do the stars not show a parallax? They have to be at immense distances to show no parallax, and thus there is this great empty space in between the last sphere (Saturn) and that containing the stars. [The counter-argument to this is that if all of the stars are at the same distance, no parallax can be measured since all stars would shift the same amount!]

http://astronomy.nmsu.edu/tharriso/ast110/class06.html < click
 

zone

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My dialectic method," says Marx, "is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite. To Hegel, ... the process of thinking which, under the name of 'the Idea,' he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos (creator) of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of 'the Idea.' With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind and translated into forms of thought." (Marx, Afterword to the Second German Edition of Volume I of Capital.)

J. V. Stalin September 1938
Dialectical and Historical Materialism

1938: Dialectical and Historical Materialism < click
 
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assuming it loaded for you, what you will see is the Heliocentric model...right?

okay.

so now, scroll down the control panel on the left to:

SPEED

slide it to hardly moving

then:

under VIEW OPTIONS

select : EARTH

(remember, the WHOLE thing is based on from WHAT PLACE we are observing:))

so, we have now made the EARTH STAND STILL.

watch as the other bodies go around the stationary earth.

let me know if it works.

Planets < click
Zone,

The link works. It's a bit hard to conceptualize it after being taught the other for so long.
:p
 
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okay....i understand that.
this thread is about Geocentrism.

my point was:

EVOLUTION is FALSE.

you understood what i meant by that, i am certain.

ONE SPECIES will never evolve into another species.

back to the stationary earth reality:)
So where did the shiatsu come from Zone?
 

zone

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The Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe as the Nexus of Spirituality and Cosmology:

An Interdisciplinary Approach to Reality

1. General Introduction

Since the dawn of our species, human beings have been asking difficult questions about themselves, the universe and the nature of existence, but have lacked a unified conceptual framework strong and broad enough to yield the answers. Enter the
Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU).

Scientific theories are mental constructs that take objective reality as their content, with the scientific method putting observation first and letting explanation be determined by experiment. But because all theories have logical properties that are abstract and mathematical, and therefore independent of observation - it is these very properties that let us recognize and understand our world - with we could equally well start them and see what they might tell us about objective reality.

Just as scientific observation makes demands on theories, the logic of theories makes demands on scientific observation, and these demands tell us in a general way what we can observe about the universe. In other words, a comprehensive theory of reality is not just about observation, but theories and their logical requisites. Since theories are mental constructs,and mental means "of the mind", this can be rephrased as follows:

mind and reality are linked in mutual dependence on the most basic level of understanding

. It is this linkage of the abstract and the concrete, the subjective and the objective, the internal and the external, that constitutes the proper focus of a Theory of Everything (TOE). Since reality forever retains the ability to surprise us, the task of scientific observation can never be completed with absolute certainty, and this means that a comprehensive theory of reality cannot be based on scientific observation alone. Instead, reality theory must be based on the logic underlying the general process of making and interpreting scientific observations. Since observation and interpretation are predicated on the relationship holding between mind and reality, the Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe delivers an account of that relationship.

The Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe as the Nexus of Spirituality and Cosmology: An Interdisciplinary Approach to Reality ' click


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uh....ok.
theories themselves are now reality.
we now begin and end with theory.
and we have technology, computers, into which we put our THEORY, and out comes the data we wanted - THERE IS NO GOD.



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is this how God was scrubbed from The WEST:

1) the creation account is obscured, then overcome - Copernicus and Co.
2) following are the new biological sciences, evolution has its window - Darwin and Co.
3) we then mix back in philosophies - Nietzsche and Co.
4) we now find we are in need of social and behavioral sciences (since men are mere animals) - Marx, Freud and Co.
5) we are fully reliant on so-called experts to explain everything through mathematical theories - Einstein and Co.
6) all of these things will be injected into western education, forced into the curriculum, all at once - Dewey and Co.
7) media and entertainment produces overwhelming amounts of visual and audio reinforcement of these ideas - Bernays and Co.


pseudo-science and dialectical materialism, mixed with occult philosophies, delivered through neuro-linguistic media programming = DID GOD REALLY SAY
 

zone

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So where did the shiatsu come from Zone?
japan.
what does accu-pressure / folk healing have to do with this?

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if you mean shih-tzu, it came from china.

it's a canine.

it was never a feline, and will never, ever be a man.
 
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japan.
what does accu-pressure / folk healing have to do with this?

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if you mean shih-tzu, it came from china.

it's a canine.

it was never a feline, and will never, ever be a man.

Curse you auto spell check, yes its not a feline, and yes its highly unlikely to evolve into a person. But are you saying you'll find shih-tzu fossils along side dinosaur ones? Has this species been here as long as the earth?
 
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1) If the Earth is spinning so fast, how do we remain attached to it--how do birds find their way home again with all of this spinning? [Of course, the counterpoint is what keeps us attached to the spherical Earth in the Geocentric Universe?]
gravity

what keeps you on a merry-go-round as it spins or a car as it moves through space?

2) Why do the stars not show a parallax? They have to be at immense distances to show no parallax, and thus there is this great empty space in between the last sphere (Saturn) and that containing the stars. [The counter-argument to this is that if all of the stars are at the same distance, no parallax can be measured since all stars would shift the same amount!]
again there have been observed parallax and the stars are much farther away then previously believed at his time.

that site supports a heliocentric model of the universe...