If the Earth were flat---

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Moses_Young

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Genipher said:
Interesting, because the flat earthers tried that very experiment with the laser in the documentary and it failed...🤔
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I'm not sure an experimental failure proves anything. An experimental result either supports a hypothesis, or not. An experimental failure would imply the results were inconclusive.

For example, in the video experiment I linked, if the laser could not be seen at 40km, this might mean the experiment had failed (i.e. an inconclusive result). But if, along the way, the scientists observed the laser light only being visible at higher and higher altitudes (consistent with the Earth's alleged rotundity), this would likely be evidence that the Flat Earth hypothesis was wrong, and that Earth was indeed a ball. Note that at 40km, this would be some 30 or more meters in height (actually more than 100 meters if laser was level).

Also, remember the [DS] (whether Free Masons, or CIA, or Communists - essentially the devil's minions on Earth) will always try to obfuscate the truth. Look at the Maricopa audit. Apparently, a draft audit has been released showing Biden had even more votes than counted. Look at Ivermectin. If one believed the [DS], one might think it was only a medicine for horses. The whole Creation/Evolution debate - [DS] says Creation is religion, but Evolutionism is science? :)
 
Dude653

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If the Earth were flat, gravity would pull everything sideways. However flat earthers think gravity isn't real
 
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those flat earthers need to get out more

One of the ladies in my bible study said her sister was a flat earther, and we were all very shocked, but then she did come from USA where people have all kinds of crazy beliefs.

So I found this book published by NASA showing photos of the earth from space, and gave it to her to show her sister.

She graciously accepted the book when I told her she could keep it to show her sister.

I dont know what kind of conversations she had with her sister, but I thought it doesnt hurt to show evidence. Maybe her sister had never read a book in her life either I dont know.
 
Lynx

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Moses_Young said:
"They" are known by many names. I say the Illuminati, but Trump calls them the Deep State. Q refers to them as [DS] for short, as he is pressed for time. :)

[Oh - and I am actually a flat Earther, in reality, in case anyone thinks I am just mocking. But I do appreciate humour also.]
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Wait, what?

My brain just caught up with an important fact I didn't scan the first time through.

You're the first flat-earther I have ever met who has admitted to being a flat-earther, but NOT called the rest of us idiots.

Now I feel like I felt when I found out a coworker I had known three years was a (certain denomination that is famous around here for starting arguments about standards of holiness) but he was not argumentative. "You DO exist! A member of (this group) and you don't argue and insult all the time!"

Dude, you should tell people more often that you're a flat-earther. Yeah they'll want to argue, but PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW YOU EXIST! People need to know there are flat-earthers who don't have chips on their shoulders. :cool:
 
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The Air Force has the plane that flies at like 80,000 ft. They use it for reconnaissance. The pilots have to wear a pressurized space suit
From that altitude the curvature of the earth is visible
 
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Every time this topic comes up I am reminded of Watson's amazement that Sherlock Holmes did not know the earth went around the sun. Holmes said now that he knew it, he would do his best to forget it. He proceeded to explain how he intentionally kept only the information which was useful to him, because he didn't want useful information lost in the jumble of useless information.

"But the Solar System!" Watson protested.

"What the deuce is it to me?" Holmes interrupted impatiently; "you say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work.”

The full quote is here:
http://www.literaturepage.com/read/astudyinscarlet-13.html

Hit page back to catch the start of the conversation if you want.
 
Moses_Young

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Lynx said:
Dude, you should tell people more often that you're a flat-earther. Yeah they'll want to argue, but PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW YOU EXIST! People need to know there are flat-earthers who don't have chips on their shoulders. :cool:
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Thanks. :) I can have a chip on my shoulder too, though. It was a gradual path to becoming a flat-Earther, (with prayer), and I honestly can't explain all the evidence (especially around the motion of the heavenly bodies). But I don't believe heliocentrists can explain these all satisfactorily, either. The first step was becoming a geocentrist. I think the evidence for geocentrism is very strong. Malcolm Bowden has some great Youtube videos. Airy's Failure experiment, and Michaelson-Morey experiment.

Lynx said:
Every time this topic comes up I am reminded of Watson's amazement that Sherlock Holmes did not know the earth went around the sun. Holmes said now that he knew it, he would do his best to forget it. He proceeded to explain how he intentionally kept only the information which was useful to him, because he didn't want useful information lost in the jumble of useless information.

"But the Solar System!" Watson protested.

"What the deuce is it to me?" Holmes interrupted impatiently; "you say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work.”

The full quote is here:
http://www.literaturepage.com/read/astudyinscarlet-13.html

Hit page back to catch the start of the conversation if you want.
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Very interesting. Maybe Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was letting us know he didn't believe in heliocentricity, without giving us reason to think that Sherlock Holmes was hoodwinked by the heliocentric theory (i.e. Sherlock Holmes didn't care, so he didn't investigate).
 
Moses_Young

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seoulsearch said:
I just wanted to say that I think it's awesome that you can joke right along with and have reasonable conversations with people who have different beliefs, even if they are different than your own.

If only more of that existed!

Kudos to you, Moses! :)
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Thanks for your kind words, Seoulsearch. I always appreciate your sense of humour, interesting and entertaining writing, and deep thoughts. God bless you, sister. :)
 
Lynx

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Moses_Young said:
Very interesting. Maybe Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was letting us know he didn't believe in heliocentricity, without giving us reason to think that Sherlock Holmes was hoodwinked by the heliocentric theory (i.e. Sherlock Holmes didn't care, so he didn't investigate).
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Now that's stretching confirmation bias to the breaking point. The phrasing indicated he did believe the earth spins around the sun. "That any civilized human being in this nineteenth century should not be aware that the earth travelled round the sun appeared to be to me such an extraordinary fact that I could hardly realize it."

He was using Holmes' ignorance of the fact to point up the character's focus on what he deemed useful information, to the point that he willfully ignored anything he considered extraneous to his goals.

Mind you, I'm not saying this either proves or disproves anything about the nature of the earth. I'm just saying you can't legitimately use it to claim the author did not believe Copernicus was right. To attempt it gives you the appearance of one clutching at straws, as they used to say.
 
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my whole thing on flat earth- what does it matter?

i have seen " Christians ", some even on this site over the years, get so caught up in insisting on flat earth that they said that one could not be a true believer until they accepted flat earth.


it is just a distracting argument that goes nowhere.....
 
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Lynx said:
Every time this topic comes up I am reminded of Watson's amazement that Sherlock Holmes did not know the earth went around the sun. Holmes said now that he knew it, he would do his best to forget it. He proceeded to explain how he intentionally kept only the information which was useful to him, because he didn't want useful information lost in the jumble of useless information.

"But the Solar System!" Watson protested.

"What the deuce is it to me?" Holmes interrupted impatiently; "you say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work.”

The full quote is here:
http://www.literaturepage.com/read/astudyinscarlet-13.html

Hit page back to catch the start of the conversation if you want.
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It was elementary.
 
Lynx

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gb9 said:
my whole thing on flat earth- what does it matter?

i have seen " Christians ", some even on this site over the years, get so caught up in insisting on flat earth that they said that one could not be a true believer until they accepted flat earth.


it is just a distracting argument that goes nowhere.....
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If I were a flat-earther I could say "EXACTLY! Just like the earth! It's not going anywhere!"

But alas, I am not. So I cannot use that joke.
 
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Moses_Young said:
I'm not sure an experimental failure proves anything. An experimental result either supports a hypothesis, or not. An experimental failure would imply the results were inconclusive.

For example, in the video experiment I linked, if the laser could not be seen at 40km, this might mean the experiment had failed (i.e. an inconclusive result). But if, along the way, the scientists observed the laser light only being visible at higher and higher altitudes (consistent with the Earth's alleged rotundity), this would likely be evidence that the Flat Earth hypothesis was wrong, and that Earth was indeed a ball. Note that at 40km, this would be some 30 or more meters in height (actually more than 100 meters if laser was level).

Also, remember the [DS] (whether Free Masons, or CIA, or Communists - essentially the devil's minions on Earth) will always try to obfuscate the truth. Look at the Maricopa audit. Apparently, a draft audit has been released showing Biden had even more votes than counted. Look at Ivermectin. If one believed the [DS], one might think it was only a medicine for horses. The whole Creation/Evolution debate - [DS] says Creation is religion, but Evolutionism is science? :)
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I've seen it disproven too many times in a myriad of ways to believe it's true.

And you're a good sport for taking all the jabs and joking.;):)
 
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Jase said:
It is known that The Flat Earth Society has members around the globe.
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jase,
you must be a natural at these one liner punch lines...
i mean this isn't even one of the "funny" threads and you've still got me in stitches :LOL:
 
Lynx

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The measurement of a day, with its hours, minutes and seconds, was mapped to the rotation of the earth. (I know you don't believe the Earth rotates, but play along just for a minute for the explanation.) It has nothing to do with the Earth revolving around the sun.

If the Earth did not revolve around the sun the day might be 1/356th longer, or the same miniscule amount shorter depending on whether the rotation goes into or away from the revolution direction, but the day would still be mapped to the same perceived interval. Since the length of a day is measured by how long we have observed a day is, if the length of a day were different we would have measured it differently.
 
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Logic is what ever god deems it to be.So like the earth could be a tri angle it's up to god.
 
Moses_Young

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Lynx said:
The measurement of a day, with its hours, minutes and seconds, was mapped to the rotation of the earth. (I know you don't believe the Earth rotates, but play along just for a minute for the explanation.) It has nothing to do with the Earth revolving around the sun.

If the Earth did not revolve around the sun the day might be 1/356th longer, or the same miniscule amount shorter depending on whether the rotation goes into or away from the revolution direction, but the day would still be mapped to the same perceived interval. Since the length of a day is measured by how long we have observed a day is, if the length of a day were different we would have measured it differently.
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But isn't that inventing another theory to prop up the first theory (of heliocentrism)? I mean, we all know a day is a day, right? So why all the business of the sidereal day compared to the solar-day? But, assuming there's good reason to have two types of day (I mean, other than heliocentrism, which I hold is not a good reason)...

In Winter, as opposed to Summer, why isn't the night sky totally different? If heliocentricity is true, one is at the opposite side of the sun, facing in the opposite direction, so should see totally different constellations in the night sky. But as I understand it, one doesn't. What theory do heliocentrists invoke to explain that?
 
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If the world is flat...

Explain how some people's life consistently goes downhill? 🤔
 
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