If the Earth were flat---

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tourist

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It appears that the surf is in high tide. There used to be an ice wall at the edge. As a result of climate change the oceans heated a degree and the ice melted. Not to worry about the surfers going over the edge as I'm sure that there is a lifeguard somewhere.
 

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"They" are known by many names. I say the Illuminati, but Trump calls them the Deep State. Q refers to them as [DS] for short, as he is pressed for time. :)

[Oh - and I am actually a flat Earther, in reality, in case anyone thinks I am just mocking. But I do appreciate humour also.]

I just wanted to say that I think it's awesome that you can joke right along with and have reasonable conversations with people who have different beliefs, even if they are different than your own.

If only more of that existed!

Kudos to you, Moses! :)
 

Gideon300

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I argue the people who "spent 3 days in space" and 500 before them, are unreliable as they work for a discredited organisation (or one related to it). Remember, science is testable and repeatable. NASA "photos" obviously are not.

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As for the Greeks, circular reasoning leads to circular conclusions. In their calculation of Earth's diameter, they assumed a spherical Earth. Therefore, this cannot be used as "proof" the Earth is a ball. The same calculations can be done for a Flat Earth, and it simply "proves" the sun is closer and/or smaller than the heliocentric theory requires.
Born again Christians all liars? How about the people who went up in Elon Musk's ship? If the earth was flat, it would be dead easy to prove. How come no one has found the edge of the earth? How come gravity is sufficient to keep the atmosphere from escaping into space? And there were photos of the earth as a globe years before computers were readily available. There was no photoshop in the 1960's. Go ahead, call God's people liars and frauds. I know who I prefer to believe. I think you can guess who.
 
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Born again Christians all liars? How about the people who went up in Elon Musk's ship? If the earth was flat, it would be dead easy to prove. How come no one has found the edge of the earth? How come gravity is sufficient to keep the atmosphere from escaping into space? And there were photos of the earth as a globe years before computers were readily available. There was no photoshop in the 1960's. Go ahead, call God's people liars and frauds. I know who I prefer to believe. I think you can guess who.
Three simple and obvious safeguards to protect the secret of the flatplanet if it was so.

1. Only let paid liars, or children of the evil one go into space to observe.
2. Those children of God who walks to the end of the earths edge, gets pushed over the edge by the children of the evil ones. Millions may have found it, only God knows.
3. Gravity is gravity, why whould it be different if the earth is flat? You have not thought that one through. Drill a hole in a plank, put a magnet there, put a nail on the other side, it still sticks, as it does if you do this with an oval shaped thing
4. How do you know if there was photoshop on the 60s? How do you know those pics are real?
 

Gideon300

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Congrats, you just proved that you have been indocterinated by the ovalists, and do not even know what proof means. And why would I trust anybody from the US authorities, quite frankly I would trust a pickpocketer over them, if I had a bike that somebody had to watch over while I was at the store. I know it is comforting for you to think of the earth as oval, but false comfort. It does not matter, changes nothing if the shape is different. Do the calculations yourself, test what you have been indocterinated. Know for thyself, if it is important enough for you.
I think you are replying to a different post. The word is "indoctrinated", by the way. The earth is a globe. It's not oval. Personally, I find eye witness accounts, especially by born again believers, quite compelling. That's one of the reasons I believe the Bible. 5 Christians all testified to the earth being a globe. One of them read Genesis 1 while looking at the earth. Another took communion before landing on the moon.

Truth is important. I have been responding to flat earthers who make a big deal of it. I didn't know that any Christian believed the earth was flat until I came on this forum. I thought it was the 1st of April initially. No, some people are serious.
 

Gideon300

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Three simple and obvious safeguards to protect the secret of the flatplanet if it was so.

1. Only let paid liars, or children of the evil one go into space to observe.
2. Those children of God who walks to the end of the earths edge, gets pushed over the edge by the children of the evil ones. Millions may have found it, only God knows.
3. Gravity is gravity, why whould it be different if the earth is flat? You have not thought that one through. Drill a hole in a plank, put a magnet there, put a nail on the other side, it still sticks, as it does if you do this with an oval shaped thing
4. How do you know if there was photoshop on the 60s? How do you know those pics are real?
I'm 70. I was well and truly alive in the 70's. There is more computer power in a modern calculator than in the computers on the lunar craft and at NASA's control room. The landing was televised all around the world.

The PC was invented in 1974. Do you know the amount of computer power you need to run editing software? Obviously not. My first PC had 8 megabytes of RAM. I had an Amiga with a paint program. It took minutes to update a page. The PC was a little faster but the software was horrible. Photoshop was released in 1987.

Gravity depends on mass. That's why the moon has no atmosphere and Mars 1/3 of Earth's. If the earth is flat, we'd all be able to jump 60 feet. If we could breathe at all, that is. Your magnet analogy is flawed. A nail will not float (because of gravity, of course) but air has little mass. Unlike a nail, it rises when heated. So there has to be sufficient attraction to keep the air in place. The attraction is gravity. With a flat earth there is insufficient gravity to hold the atmosphere.

Point 2 is the funniest thing I've heard in weeks. How much power do you think Satan has? Over the world, plenty. Over a born again Christian, none. I bind the enemy before I go to the supermarket. I am always clothed in the armour of God. If there was an end to the earth (there is not) and Satan was there, I'd be pushing him over the edge, not vice versa.
 
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I think you are replying to a different post. The word is "indoctrinated", by the way. The earth is a globe. It's not oval. Personally, I find eye witness accounts, especially by born again believers, quite compelling. That's one of the reasons I believe the Bible. 5 Christians all testified to the earth being a globe. One of them read Genesis 1 while looking at the earth. Another took communion before landing on the moon.

Truth is important. I have been responding to flat earthers who make a big deal of it. I didn't know that any Christian believed the earth was flat until I came on this forum. I thought it was the 1st of April initially. No, some people are serious.
Yes, most are indocterinated to be ovalists, as was I. It is oval, they say it spins and is thicker in the middle and kind of strech out weirdly, so planetravel does not fit on the globes we buy at the bookstores. Pilots apparently must calculate differently because of this. Otherwise the planes going from korea to alaska would run out of fuel and plummit into the sea. The map is not correct dimensionally on the globes. The southern continents are bigger than they appear. Also, there is more ice on one of the poles, they also say that the planet tilts a touch, where we spin.
 

Genipher

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On a more serious note, I'd like to suggest the documentary "Behind the Curve". A group of flat earthers do several different experiments to try to prove the earth is flat. Spoiler: they disprove themselves over and over again and yet continue with their strong-held belief rather than admit the truth.
It's an interesting watch.
 

Gardenias

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Exactly. And everyone knows that a circle is flat. :)





Lol
A circle has no beginning and no end but is a Continuum............think BALL 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂



I cannot believe ppl Still think the earth is flat,especially since nearly everywhere is populated and has been traveled.
 
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I'm 70. I was well and truly alive in the 70's. There is more computer power in a modern calculator than in the computers on the lunar craft and at NASA's control room. The landing was televised all around the world.

The PC was invented in 1974. Do you know the amount of computer power you need to run editing software? Obviously not. My first PC had 8 megabytes of RAM. I had an Amiga with a paint program. It took minutes to update a page. The PC was a little faster but the software was horrible. Photoshop was released in 1987.

Gravity depends on mass. That's why the moon has no atmosphere and Mars 1/3 of Earth's. If the earth is flat, we'd all be able to jump 60 feet. If we could breathe at all, that is. Your magnet analogy is flawed. A nail will not float (because of gravity, of course) but air has little mass. Unlike a nail, it rises when heated. So there has to be sufficient attraction to keep the air in place. The attraction is gravity. With a flat earth there is insufficient gravity to hold the atmosphere.

Point 2 is the funniest thing I've heard in weeks. How much power do you think Satan has? Over the world, plenty. Over a born again Christian, none. I bind the enemy before I go to the supermarket. I am always clothed in the armour of God. If there was an end to the earth (there is not) and Satan was there, I'd be pushing him over the edge, not vice versa.
Not sure what you are replying to, I did a list. I know that the official computingpower was like a poor calculator from the eighties. Point is, we do not know, and what the military had unofficially is not known. Just as today, where manufacturerrs have developed the prototypes they will release the next 5 years. And I believe the computer you point to in 74, was the first one released on the private market. The military was way ahead, and if this project was planned for 4 years, surely they could let an amigatype secret supercomputer in 68, and let it buzz for a year. Other way to photoshop without PC too.

Gravity may depend on mass, but not shape. One thing affecting another thig is all. Gravity works regardless if you sit in a square box or oval chair. Man has not been to mars, so we know nozzing of that planet. Why could we jump 60 ft if the earth was flat, there is no logic here. Float! What has floating to do with anything? Nails also lack brains and will, and evolving body and mind.

The evil one has a lot of power, controls most on earth. No physical powers of course, but enact wickedness with his children doing bad deeds in his name. Look to Hollywood, and the silly valley next to the russian river.
 

Moses_Young

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On a more serious note, I'd like to suggest the documentary "Behind the Curve". A group of flat earthers do several different experiments to try to prove the earth is flat. Spoiler: they disprove themselves over and over again and yet continue with their strong-held belief rather than admit the truth.
It's an interesting watch.
Linked below is a laser experiment. Lasers travel in straight lines. Over 40km, if the Earth were a globe, a laser set at 2.92m height could not be seen 40 km away, unless one were elevated at least 90m. If the laser were set straight (as it was), it should have been seen fully only at 129m height. The laser was observed at a distance of 40 km and a height of 1.5m; ergo, Earth is not a ball. There are many such experiments.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fl...est-laser-experiment-in-history-fecore.11728/

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Point where the above is discussed in the video is at 48:09 = Lake Ijssel, sixth measurement. 40 km.
 

Moses_Young

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Lol
A circle has no beginning and no end but is a Continuum............think BALL 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂



I cannot believe ppl Still think the earth is flat,especially since nearly everywhere is populated and has been traveled.
Antarctica has not been well traveled. I think it is key to understanding that Earth is flat.
 

Lynx

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Linked below is a laser experiment. Lasers travel in straight lines. Over 40km, if the Earth were a globe, a laser set at 2.92m height could not be seen 40 km away, unless one were elevated at least 90m. If the laser were set straight (as it was), it should have been seen fully only at 129m height. The laser was observed at a distance of 40 km and a height of 1.5m; ergo, Earth is not a ball. There are many such experiments.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fl...est-laser-experiment-in-history-fecore.11728/

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Point where the above is discussed in the video is at 48:09 = Lake Ijssel, sixth measurement. 40 km.
Funny you should mention that. Ships have a limited radar range for precisely that reason. If the Earth were flat they would be able to track a lot further out without aerial support.
 

Moses_Young

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Funny you should mention that. Ships have a limited radar range for precisely that reason. If the Earth were flat they would be able to track a lot further out without aerial support.
That's a theory, and I'd argue an incorrect one. Even on a flat Earth, physics come into play which limits range. But certainly, I'm sure you'll admit that the radar range of ships exceeds that which would be possible were the Earth a sphere (i.e. the radar will "see" beyond where the horizon would be, were the Earth a ball).

[By the way, if you say no, I'll just say to stop buying such cheap radars from China!] ;-)
 

Lynx

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Talk to the navy, not me. I'm not in charge of procurement. :LOL:

Considering the size of the ball we are on, the range of standard radar seems just about right.
 

Genipher

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Linked below is a laser experiment. Lasers travel in straight lines. Over 40km, if the Earth were a globe, a laser set at 2.92m height could not be seen 40 km away, unless one were elevated at least 90m. If the laser were set straight (as it was), it should have been seen fully only at 129m height. The laser was observed at a distance of 40 km and a height of 1.5m; ergo, Earth is not a ball. There are many such experiments.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fl...est-laser-experiment-in-history-fecore.11728/

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Point where the above is discussed in the video is at 48:09 = Lake Ijssel, sixth measurement. 40 km.
Interesting, because the flat earthers tried that very experiment with the laser in the documentary and it failed...🤔
 

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