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Homewardbound

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Thats weird, why would you do that. Also the child would probably just eat the cookies. And you didnt even tell them why they should stay out of the cookie jar.
With me as a kid, my parents rarely gave reasons for rules in the home. Because of that I kinda got a skewed view of life.
for instance I was taught that "children are to be seen not heard." Because it wasn't explained to me, I reasoned then, that what I had to say meant nothing. So I never really learned to communicate well.
 

RickyZ

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Thank you all, sorry didn't mean to fall off the radar, I've just been in prayer and meditation over what you guys have said here.

Perhaps 'walked away' is the wrong phrase, it's more like we were exiled. But in the end the effect is the same ... we're cut off.

The sins of the father visited upon generations - because of one father's sin, all the sons of man suffer. The vast majority of them eternally. I believe we remember them during the millennium, but not on the new earth. I sure hope not. It would be a true buzz-kill to remember that 9 out of 10 of my family and friends are not there, but in hell. We will have to forget that or there can't be a new start. Forget them.

Maybe that's why I can't forget them now.

I live under a generational curse; not just me but my siblings and parents and grandparents (that's as far back as I can remember). Oh yeah, our clan is definitely something different. Can't win for losing, and trying is the first step towards failure. Sheeesh. Just these last few weeks. Donated $200 to an animal rescue, offered my time. Never heard a word from anyone. Then as soon as I leave they ask for donors and volunteers on their facebook page. I write in saying hey I gave and offered time and didn't hear from anyone, short story short they just aren't interested. It's typical. I offer help no one takes it; I offer money they don't want it. God gives me a heart for the country, then sticks me in downtown metropolis. He gives me abilities with animals more than people, then sets me up to intimately serve humans. He gives me skills and resources, and then doesn't allow me to use them. He gives me knowledge and experience, then doesn't allow me to share them. Stymied, stonewalled, irrelevant. Engrave it on my headstone.

I've seen God do some incredible miracles; literally raised waves out of a calm sea to impress some kid among other things. I can't deny Him, even if I said it was all a lie it would be me that's lying. But I look back on my life and think what might have been if the gifts I've been given had matched the work I was assigned - and if my efforts had not been met with uninterested indifference everywhere I go.

What kind of God plants grapes inside you but makes you produce wheat? What kind of God holds me, my brothers, my father, my grandparents, and who knows who else accountable for something an ancestor did generations ago? What kind of God holds an entire race guilty for one member's sin? What kind of God goes after 10% of the people instead of the greater portion?

Please tell me I won't remember any of this when it's all over. I really don't want to.
 

Lanolin

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With me as a kid, my parents rarely gave reasons for rules in the home. Because of that I kinda got a skewed view of life.
for instance I was taught that "children are to be seen not heard." Because it wasn't explained to me, I reasoned then, that what I had to say meant nothing. So I never really learned to communicate well.
Thats screwy you always need to explain rules and instructions, especially to children not have rules just for the sake of having rules.

Like dont drink that, cos it will kill you.
 

RickyZ

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Pretty sure it's time to buy the shotgun and call it a life
 

FaithMan

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Thank you all, sorry didn't mean to fall off the radar, I've just been in prayer and meditation over what you guys have said here.

Perhaps 'walked away' is the wrong phrase, it's more like we were exiled. But in the end the effect is the same ... we're cut off.

The sins of the father visited upon generations - because of one father's sin, all the sons of man suffer. The vast majority of them eternally. I believe we remember them during the millennium, but not on the new earth. I sure hope not. It would be a true buzz-kill to remember that 9 out of 10 of my family and friends are not there, but in hell. We will have to forget that or there can't be a new start. Forget them.

Maybe that's why I can't forget them now.

I live under a generational curse; not just me but my siblings and parents and grandparents (that's as far back as I can remember). Oh yeah, our clan is definitely something different. Can't win for losing, and trying is the first step towards failure. Sheeesh. Just these last few weeks. Donated $200 to an animal rescue, offered my time. Never heard a word from anyone. Then as soon as I leave they ask for donors and volunteers on their facebook page. I write in saying hey I gave and offered time and didn't hear from anyone, short story short they just aren't interested. It's typical. I offer help no one takes it; I offer money they don't want it. God gives me a heart for the country, then sticks me in downtown metropolis. He gives me abilities with animals more than people, then sets me up to intimately serve humans. He gives me skills and resources, and then doesn't allow me to use them. He gives me knowledge and experience, then doesn't allow me to share them. Stymied, stonewalled, irrelevant. Engrave it on my headstone.

I've seen God do some incredible miracles; literally raised waves out of a calm sea to impress some kid among other things. I can't deny Him, even if I said it was all a lie it would be me that's lying. But I look back on my life and think what might have been if the gifts I've been given had matched the work I was assigned - and if my efforts had not been met with uninterested indifference everywhere I go.

What kind of God plants grapes inside you but makes you produce wheat? What kind of God holds me, my brothers, my father, my grandparents, and who knows who else accountable for something an ancestor did generations ago? What kind of God holds an entire race guilty for one member's sin? What kind of God goes after 10% of the people instead of the greater portion?

Please tell me I won't remember any of this when it's all over. I really don't want to.
Thank you all, sorry didn't mean to fall off the radar, I've just been in prayer and meditation over what you guys have said here.

Perhaps 'walked away' is the wrong phrase, it's more like we were exiled. But in the end the effect is the same ... we're cut off.

The sins of the father visited upon generations - because of one father's sin, all the sons of man suffer. The vast majority of them eternally. I believe we remember them during the millennium, but not on the new earth. I sure hope not. It would be a true buzz-kill to remember that 9 out of 10 of my family and friends are not there, but in hell. We will have to forget that or there can't be a new start. Forget them.

Maybe that's why I can't forget them now.

I live under a generational curse; not just me but my siblings and parents and grandparents (that's as far back as I can remember). Oh yeah, our clan is definitely something different. Can't win for losing, and trying is the first step towards failure. Sheeesh. Just these last few weeks. Donated $200 to an animal rescue, offered my time. Never heard a word from anyone. Then as soon as I leave they ask for donors and volunteers on their facebook page. I write in saying hey I gave and offered time and didn't hear from anyone, short story short they just aren't interested. It's typical. I offer help no one takes it; I offer money they don't want it. God gives me a heart for the country, then sticks me in downtown metropolis. He gives me abilities with animals more than people, then sets me up to intimately serve humans. He gives me skills and resources, and then doesn't allow me to use them. He gives me knowledge and experience, then doesn't allow me to share them. Stymied, stonewalled, irrelevant. Engrave it on my headstone.

I've seen God do some incredible miracles; literally raised waves out of a calm sea to impress some kid among other things. I can't deny Him, even if I said it was all a lie it would be me that's lying. But I look back on my life and think what might have been if the gifts I've been given had matched the work I was assigned - and if my efforts had not been met with uninterested indifference everywhere I go.

What kind of God plants grapes inside you but makes you produce wheat? What kind of God holds me, my brothers, my father, my grandparents, and who knows who else accountable for something an ancestor did generations ago? What kind of God holds an entire race guilty for one member's sin? What kind of God goes after 10% of the people instead of the greater portion?

Please tell me I won't remember any of this when it's all over. I really don't want to.
 

FaithMan

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Rest assured you are not under a generational curse. Curses that extend down through generations (colloquially known as generational curses) are extremely rare in the scripture. The colloquial term “generational curse” has become so common that many believe it is a Biblical term but it is not. Many people believe that Exodus 20:5 is referring to generational curses:

“You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,”

Notice first that the word “curse” is not in the text. This motif is repeated five other times in scripture:

Exodus 34:7​
Numbers 14:18​
Deuteronomy 5:7​
Deuteronomy 7:10​
Jeremiah 32:18​

Moses provided some interpretation of this issue in Deuteronomy 7:10:

“those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction;
he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.”

“…to their face”

Join this idea to:

“to the third and fourth generation”

That is how many generations were within a household. When God would punish a parent or grandparent it was in their face, so to speak, and the children would feel the effects.

Can several generations suffer from satanic supernatural forces? Of course. But this is not a curse. Any sociological defect in a family is ripe for satan to exploit. If a father is an alcoholic it is likely his children will be inclined to learn the behavior. Satan is not going to leave that alone. There is a weakness that he is going to attempt to propagate. There is no curse to “break” but certainly we can pray and break these strongholds.

Supernatural curses only come from God and you are not under one if you are a Christian.
 

dcontroversal

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Narrow is the path to God ... wide is that to destruction. I'm curious, of aaall the people in the world since Adam, what percentage of them do you think make it into 'heaven'?
Few there be that find it and I sense bitterness/anger/questioning God in your OP and where this thread is going......
 

tourist

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Pretty sure it's time to buy the shotgun and call it a life
That's sad Ricky but I do sense your frustration. I have had my share of frustration of life also. Several times I have asked God that if He is unable to give me the simplest things that I ask in prayer to at least not do anything to hurt me anymore as I have had my fill.

I know that God disciplines those that He loves but more than once I have asked Him to spread the love around just a little. I love God but there is much that I just don't understand about Him. Some guys learn the hard way I suppose.

I am a graduate of the school of Hard Knocks. I will not be attending the reunion.
 

RickyZ

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The thing about that school is, you won't be given a choice.
 

RickyZ

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Rest assured you are not under a generational curse. Curses that extend down through generations (colloquially known as generational curses) are extremely rare in the scripture. The colloquial term “generational curse” has become so common that many believe it is a Biblical term but it is not. Many people believe that Exodus 20:5 is referring to generational curses:

“You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,”

Notice first that the word “curse” is not in the text. This motif is repeated five other times in scripture:

Exodus 34:7​
Numbers 14:18​
Deuteronomy 5:7​
Deuteronomy 7:10​
Jeremiah 32:18​

Moses provided some interpretation of this issue in Deuteronomy 7:10:

“those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction;
he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.”

“…to their face”

Join this idea to:

“to the third and fourth generation”

That is how many generations were within a household. When God would punish a parent or grandparent it was in their face, so to speak, and the children would feel the effects.

Can several generations suffer from satanic supernatural forces? Of course. But this is not a curse. Any sociological defect in a family is ripe for satan to exploit. If a father is an alcoholic it is likely his children will be inclined to learn the behavior. Satan is not going to leave that alone. There is a weakness that he is going to attempt to propagate. There is no curse to “break” but certainly we can pray and break these strongholds.

Supernatural curses only come from God and you are not under one if you are a Christian.
I have a response, but not the time right now to do it. So putting this subject on hold, what about all the rest of it?
 

Lanolin

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Ricky not really following the gist of your thread what are you trying to say?

You are responsibile for you. If youve sinned, you own up to it and tell God, repent and He will forgive you. Dont blame someone else.

God isnt a man that he would lie. Unlike men, He means what He says. He also gives us fair warning and plenty of grace when we do get things wrong. But its our responsibilty to listen to what He says. And act on it.

Trust and obey its the only way. Unlike satan, God dosnt turn on us. He is for you not against you and He is Holy. If you dont understand something, ask Him for wisdom he will give it to you liberally.
 

RickyZ

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It's not a question of a shortage in what He's given me. There is none of that. It's in the passing on of those gifts where the issue lies. God says to be generous, I offer my time and money and they don't want it. I try to be helpful to people and they don't want it. I've been deemed disposable and betrayed by both my father and my employer, despite the fact that I stepped up for decades to do right by them. And over some pretty bizarre stuff, too. I've been given gifts for situations A B and C then stuck in situations X y and Z. Resources that sat empty and unused when most needed because of trivial things 2000 miles away. A lot of people describe their lives as 2 steps forward 1 step back, mine is 1 step forward 1,000 in place. I'm tired, nay exhausted, nay reached that stage 20 years ago. Here lay RickyZ, Stymied, Stonewalled, Irrelevant.

It's not what God gives me. It's about the charge to go forth in His name, and that for 62 years every single effort I have made to do just that has been stymied, stonewalled, and rendered irrelevant.

Alright. Not every. I get about 1 out of every 1,000. No I do not accept those numbers. The minimum God asks for is 10%, why should I expect anything less?

And it's not just me. My brothers, my father, his brother, his sister, my grandfather - Don't tell me there's no such thing as a familial curse, I've seen one in action for 62 years.

I think the most telling part was with my buddy. God: "Michael is too comfortable". Me: "God make Michael uncomfortable". And for the next 12 months Michael became like me. The man to whom everything is just handed, couldn't even get out of bed without something malfunctioning. And yes that did make him open to hearing my witness for a time ... until he got too comfortable again.

Saved at 5 - and like I said I've seen too much to know it's not real. And too much to accept the loss of such a large portion of humanity for something that someone else did up to 6000 years before they were born. Wish I could do something to up those numbers, but I'm just a mime with a book in a glass box.
 

Lanolin

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Dont c
It's not a question of a shortage in what He's given me. There is none of that. It's in the passing on of those gifts where the issue lies. God says to be generous, I offer my time and money and they don't want it. I try to be helpful to people and they don't want it. I've been deemed disposable and betrayed by both my father and my employer, despite the fact that I stepped up for decades to do right by them. And over some pretty bizarre stuff, too. I've been given gifts for situations A B and C then stuck in situations X y and Z. Resources that sat empty and unused when most needed because of trivial things 2000 miles away. A lot of people describe their lives as 2 steps forward 1 step back, mine is 1 step forward 1,000 in place. I'm tired, nay exhausted, nay reached that stage 20 years ago. Here lay RickyZ, Stymied, Stonewalled, Irrelevant.

It's not what God gives me. It's about the charge to go forth in His name, and that for 62 years every single effort I have made to do just that has been stymied, stonewalled, and rendered irrelevant.

Alright. Not every. I get about 1 out of every 1,000. No I do not accept those numbers. The minimum God asks for is 10%, why should I expect anything less?

And it's not just me. My brothers, my father, his brother, his sister, my grandfather - Don't tell me there's no such thing as a familial curse, I've seen one in action for 62 years.

I think the most telling part was with my buddy. God: "Michael is too comfortable". Me: "God make Michael uncomfortable". And for the next 12 months Michael became like me. The man to whom everything is just handed, couldn't even get out of bed without something malfunctioning. And yes that did make him open to hearing my witness for a time ... until he got too comfortable again.

Saved at 5 - and like I said I've seen too much to know it's not real. And too much to accept the loss of such a large portion of humanity for something that someone else did up to 6000 years before they were born. Wish I could do something to up those numbers, but I'm just a mime with a book in a glass box.
I dont know all whats going on in your life but seems to me you might be casting your pearls before swine.
Maybe you need to get out to another country and do missions there? If they dont aceptt you, shake the dust off your feet and move on.
As for family, well even Jesus had problems with his own family. He was without honor in his own town. So you not alone.

I would pray and ask God to send you a missions partner (dont do it alone) and then step out of your comfort zone.

What do you mean its not real? God is real, your perception of Him is a little warped though. Dont get angry at Him, be angry at satan.
 

RickyZ

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Dont c


I dont know all whats going on in your life but seems to me you might be casting your pearls before swine.
Maybe you need to get out to another country and do missions there? If they dont aceptt you, shake the dust off your feet and move on.
As for family, well even Jesus had problems with his own family. He was without honor in his own town. So you not alone.

I would pray and ask God to send you a missions partner (dont do it alone) and then step out of your comfort zone.

What do you mean its not real? God is real, your perception of Him is a little warped though. Dont get angry at Him, be angry at satan.
Been there done that. Risked jail in columbia for bringing money in to a church to feed/house/medicate the poor. Done everything God has asked (or tried to) and yet here I am. As irrelevant as a human can be.
 

RickyZ

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I remember years ago I had been attending a new church for about 2 months when, after the sermon, a stranger walked up to me and said he had a word from God for me. Ok, what's that. "You will stop attending here after 6 months because no one has befriended you". I forgot that word until some time later, when looking back I saw that I had indeed stopped attending there after 6 months because no one would give me the time of day.

So, what kind of God sends the message 'get lost we don't like you', instead of telling someone else 'go make friends with that guy so he won't leave us?'
 

Lanolin

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Um why are you angry at God? You not making any sense. Do you know God for real or are just saying stuff about Him that you dont like? GOd is not your servant.

Sometimes its really up to YOU to make friends, so take that responsibilty rather than blame other people. Im just hearing a lot of whining here. Sorry.
 
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Um why are you angry at God? You not making any sense. Do you know God for real or are just saying stuff about Him that you dont like? GOd is not your servant.

Sometimes its really up to YOU to make friends, so take that responsibilty rather than blame other people. Im just hearing a lot of whining here. Sorry.
We disagree on many things......this post I agree with!
 

Deade

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I remember years ago I had been attending a new church for about 2 months when, after the sermon, a stranger walked up to me and said he had a word from God for me. Ok, what's that. "You will stop attending here after 6 months because no one has befriended you". I forgot that word until some time later, when looking back I saw that I had indeed stopped attending there after 6 months because no one would give me the time of day.

So, what kind of God sends the message 'get lost we don't like you', instead of telling someone else 'go make friends with that guy so he won't leave us?'
Ricky, what you are battling is depression. I know first hand your battle. While I was in the mission field being quite successful, God struck me down. First with my health, I almost died but survived although disabled. I had to leave the mission and deal with family for the next 30 years. Even a prophet is without honor among his family. It is hard.

Like you, I had seen too much to not believe God, but the depression overtook me and I tried to take my life a couple of times. Depression will cause your brain to make decisions that don't make sense. I got where I could not sleep and that made the depression worse.

I am now on medication for depression and have authored a couple of books. Now, I try to help others here on CC get their questions answered. I don't have your answers but if you are not taking depression medicine, it will help. Get some help. I will be praying for you. :)
 

RickyZ

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Um why are you angry at God? You not making any sense. Do you know God for real or are just saying stuff about Him that you dont like? GOd is not your servant.

Sometimes its really up to YOU to make friends, so take that responsibilty rather than blame other people. Im just hearing a lot of whining here. Sorry.
You know, it's really hard to sum up 60 years in a few paragraphs. I've been to counseling. I've had several tell me there's something more going on here. Pastors too. I was given a word a long time ago that I am of the line of John the Baptist; that I would wander the desert eating bugs until I have my one defining moment like baptizing the Christ. If that's really the case I guess I am whining. But even John had a ministry, and I don't see anywhere anyone was exempted from fulfilling the great commission.

Yet my every attempt to do just that... yeah I'm angry. Put me in coach. 60 years on the bench is long enough.