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Eli1

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Dino246 said:
Time is one of the most difficult concepts to define. I will leave that to Messrs. Webster, Collins, Funk and Wagnalls.
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I mean like in your words you know? Because we all know it’s a mystery.

I define it like a river, or a sequence of events.
 
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Eli1 said:
I mean like in your words you know? Because we all know it’s a mystery.

I define it like a river, or a sequence of events.
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Have you been reading Hawking?
 
Dino246

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Eli1 said:
I mean like in your words you know? Because we all know it’s a mystery.

I define it like a river, or a sequence of events.
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Time is the non-material, non-spatial framework or medium in which events occur. A sequence of events occurs within time, but is not itself time. Time may be likened to a river, where "water" is the direct analogue, but again this is a comparison rather than a definition.
 
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Dino246 said:
Time is the non-material, non-spatial framework or medium in which events occur. A sequence of events occurs within time, but is not itself time. Time may be likened to a river, where "water" is the direct analogue, but again this is a comparison rather than a definition.
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All right, cool. I like that. Thank you.
 
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Dino246 said:
Time is the non-material, non-spatial framework or medium in which events occur. A sequence of events occurs within time, but is not itself time. Time may be likened to a river, where "water" is the direct analogue, but again this is a comparison rather than a definition.
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Is this from Minkowski?
 
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Following is from Wikipedia

Time has long been an important subject of study in religion, philosophy, and science, but defining it in a manner applicable to all fields without circularity has consistently eluded scholars................................................................................
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Time is the continued sequence of existence and events that occurs in an apparently irreversible succession from the past, through the present, into the future.[1][2][3] It is a component quantity of various measurements used to sequence events, to compare the duration of events or the intervals between them, and to quantify rates of change of quantities in material reality or in the conscious experience.[4][5][6][7] Time is often referred to as a fourth dimension, along with three spatial dimensions.
 
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Eli1 said:
I think the universe is so big because God says to us: Here I am, unimaginable big, beyond your understanding. I gave you free will to accept me or reject me.
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YYYYYYEEEEP!!!! That's what Flat-earthers don't get.

I had a debate with a Muslim one night. He kept trying to debunk Christianity by pointing out how absurd the notion of the trinity was. He kept reiterating, "It makes no sense!" My response to Him was, "If God made sense to us, then He wouldn't be God." But, that failed to sink in.
 
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Eli1 said:
So what’s the definition of time?
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Einstein (apparently) described it as that thing that keeps everything from happening at once. But, that doesn't help.

Length is perpendicular to width. Height is perpendicular to both, simultaneously. Carl Sagan described the 4th dimension (which time is supposed to be) as the dimension that is at right angles to these first three -- simultaneously. Try as you might, you will not be able to picture that. He tried to help us understand this by describing Flatland. Look that up if you aren't familiar with it. It's pretty interesting.

How this ties in with time though, I am not sure. But, someone on YouTube tried to visualize time. He showed a continuous walk cycle of a person--like film frames almost. It was a long, frozen, series of many separate movements, each slightly separated and moved a bit from the one before it. This almost seems like the 4-dimensional thing Sagan was trying to describe (maybe the past and future movements were somehow at right angles to the first three spacial dimensions?!?), but the guy narrating the video did not say this, if memory serves.

Maybe the fourth dimension is only a spacial dimension and time is something entirely different. I am not qualified to say in the least.

Anyway, I love thinking about stuff like this, but really, maybe only a handful of mathematicians can understand it -- or so they claim. That it is such a mind-boggling thing shows the mind of our Creator. Holy moly. "Big" is woefully inadequate, maybe even insulting.
 
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The verses here from the first chapter of the epistle to the Hebrews are something that should set mans prideful boasting to shame. Despite the apparent ginormous super sized expanse of the universe we are told that Jesus will one day take 'hold' of His creation and '.....fold them up, and they shall be changed;...' .We get excited about atom bombs or even a supercharged vehicle. Man doesn't have a clue how to straighten out the mess he makes and looks like the entire creation will ultimately get a do over. The ginormous super sized expanse of the universe is like a garment to The Creator.


Vesture Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › vesture
The meaning of VESTURE is a covering garment (such as a robe or vestment).

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
 
Eli1

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Gojira said:
Einstein (apparently) described it as that thing that keeps everything from happening at once. But, that doesn't help.

Length is perpendicular to width. Height is perpendicular to both, simultaneously. Carl Sagan described the 4th dimension (which time is supposed to be) as the dimension that is at right angles to these first three -- simultaneously. Try as you might, you will not be able to picture that. He tried to help us understand this by describing Flatland. Look that up if you aren't familiar with it. It's pretty interesting.

How this ties in with time though, I am not sure. But, someone on YouTube tried to visualize time. He showed a continuous walk cycle of a person--like film frames almost. It was a long, frozen, series of many separate movements, each slightly separated and moved a bit from the one before it. This almost seems like the 4-dimensional thing Sagan was trying to describe (maybe the past and future movements were somehow at right angles to the first three spacial dimensions?!?), but the guy narrating the video did not say this, if memory serves.

Maybe the fourth dimension is only a spacial dimension and time is something entirely different. I am not qualified to say in the least.

Anyway, I love thinking about stuff like this, but really, maybe only a handful of mathematicians can understand it -- or so they claim. That it is such a mind-boggling thing shows the mind of our Creator. Holy moly. "Big" is woefully inadequate, maybe even insulting.
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Thank you, yes I agree with all of this and I’m familiar with these concepts especially FlatLand.
I also use the concept of flatland to describe Trinity.
‘Here’s a video for the rest if you’re interested.

 
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why did he create it? From Genesis. to be signs for men.
Signs of Gods wonder and awesomeness

The heavens declare Gods greatness.

Now as to how many stars there are . Only God knows. man through science keeps making numbers up and they may be real or not. but in the end no one knows. there is no way to count them all.

I dont argue with science, but i also dont beleive everythign they teach. Remember only God never lies, but science and man in general will lie lots. So in my opinion. it is fun to look at heaven and dream of space flight, but i dont believe there is life out there. never was. only Humans that God made here on earth. I have no proof only a feeling inside.

I am wrong so often please dont quote me lol
 
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Eli1 said:
Thank you, yes I agree with all of this and I’m familiar with these concepts especially FlatLand.
I also use the concept of flatland to describe Trinity.
‘Here’s a video for the rest if you’re interested.

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ooo nice
 
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Eli1 said:
I’m curious, what is the diff between a marker of time and time itself?
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Just because you don't have your watch doesn't mean a million years has passed between breakfast and dinner.
 
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Cameron143 said:
So that we can better understand how awesome He is.
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I agree with this. I think it's to give us a taste of how "big" He is. I believe He used it to humble me in the most awesome way ever in my life, back in May of 2012.

I also speculate that one day, when all things are restored, we may be spreading outward to colonize it.
 
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