The Gun Thread

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shittim

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I've seen 3 shot, Buckshot shells for 410, pretty impressive round.(y):)
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shittim

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Makarov's are a working man's Walther in some eyes, after ww2 the Russians took back Walther expertise, if not people as well and produced the Makarov, used more as a badge of rank among officers but very effective, great piece to enjoy.
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HealthAndHappiness

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You are correct.... the brass is the most expensive part of the cartridge.
Reloading is a good "hobby" to get into.... Many times, if you shop, you can find a good press for under $100.... then get a good beam balance scale for weighing powder. In reality, you could reload with just those two items.
For convenience, you might want a powder dispenser, to speed up the process a bit.
A priming tool of some sort is very nice to have.
When you reload a few boxes, then you start thinking of other tools to make it more efficient. Trays to hold your cases while loading, etc...
I've been loading for 53 or 54 years now.... I've used RCBS single stage, Lee single stage and progressive, but currently am using a Lee cast iron 4 station turret press..... mostly because I can set up each die, and not have to change them out every time I go to a different step in the process.
It's difficult to save a lot of money loading 9mm.... factory ammo is just too inexpensive. The best part of loading is that you can tailor a load to a specific firearm.... plus you have the added security of knowing you won't "run out" of ammo, if there's a shortage....

I agree, though..... I won't shoot someone else's reloads, unless I know them personally, and trust them completely.

Bad things can happen when you shoot a careless reloader's ammo....

Ask me how I know.... :rolleyes::(
I've been told more than once that reloading doesn't usually save you money because when you get into it, you practice more.
Per round cost goes down while rounds go up.

I've looked at the Lee Load Master. They offer a lot for the $.

I hope you or your firearm didn't get hurt with another's reloads.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I'm proud of my tactical 410 single shot.
I did a house clearing with one as a boy.
Someone broke into our house while we were sleeping. He woke my Mom who ran to my room screaming. I told her to stay there while I went to save my little brother with that single shot squirrel gun in hand and a small commemorative Pittsburgh Pirates bat in the other for follow up shots. I found my brother was alright and fast asleep. In the meantime, the criminal ran out the front door.

Hey, if it's TACTICAL, it'll git R done.
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hornetguy

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I hope you or your firearm didn't get hurt with another's reloads
My thumb was damaged slightly, and the snubbie was a total loss.... It sorta got scattered. I figure the idiot that loaded them probably had a double charge... it was real exciting for a split second or so....:eek:
 

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My thumb was damaged slightly, and the snubbie was a total loss.... It sorta got scattered. I figure the idiot that loaded them probably had a double charge... it was real exciting for a split second or so....:eek:
Whoa, that's close!
Sorry about that thumb.
I had been shot at a few times, so I can feel for you.
 

hornetguy

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I've looked at the Lee Load Master. They offer a lot for the $.
Progressives are ok for large volume load sessions, but they are cumbersome for loading 100 at a time, then switching to another caliber.
A turret gives you a pretty good compromise between a single stage and a progressive.
You can use the turret like a single stage, or set it to automatically rotate to the next die needed for a semi-progressive action.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Progressives are ok for large volume load sessions, but they are cumbersome for loading 100 at a time, then switching to another caliber.
A turret gives you a pretty good compromise between a single stage and a progressive.
You can use the turret like a single stage, or set it to automatically rotate to the next die needed for a semi-progressive action.
So the turret type isn't a progressive technically? I will check that out.

I can see that would be a pain for two boxes of handgun ammo. I would like to make time for that. I sure miss going out with friends and spending time on the range.
 

hornetguy

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So the turret type isn't a progressive technically? I will check that out.

I can see that would be a pain for two boxes of handgun ammo. I would like to make time for that. I sure miss going out with friends and spending time on the range.
That is correct.... a true progressive will perform a "function" every time you pull the lever... at the first station, it's depriming and resizing, and some of them will re-prime on the downstroke of the ram. The next pull of the lever will rotate the base, and the first case will have the powder dispensed into it.... at the same time a new case is being sized/deprimed and reprimed in the first station. Next pull rotates the first case into the third station, where it has a bullet seated/crimped, while the first two stations are still doing their thing with a new case and the second case.
After 3 or 4 pulls of the lever, you are producing a fully loaded cartridge with ever pull. It also requires absolute concentration to make sure everything is happening as it should.

A turret press has the option of turning off the automatic rotation with each lever pull. So, you could resize a full box of 50 without ever turning the turret at the top (which has the dies loaded into it). Then, you could manually rotate the turret to the powder dispense/flaring die and do all 50. Then rotate and do the bullet seating/crimping.... all without having to unscrew a die and screw the next die in place. (this is the method I normally use)

Or, if you choose you could fully load one cartridge at a time, using the automatic rotation feature of the turret. Put a new case in, pull the lever and size/deprime the case, then the next pull will rotate the turret to put the case into the powder dispense/flare die. The next pull will rotate the turret to put the case into the bullet seat die.... take that fully loaded cartridge out, and start with the next one.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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That is correct.... a true progressive will perform a "function" every time you pull the lever... at the first station, it's depriming and resizing, and some of them will re-prime on the downstroke of the ram. The next pull of the lever will rotate the base, and the first case will have the powder dispensed into it.... at the same time a new case is being sized/deprimed and reprimed in the first station. Next pull rotates the first case into the third station, where it has a bullet seated/crimped, while the first two stations are still doing their thing with a new case and the second case.
After 3 or 4 pulls of the lever, you are producing a fully loaded cartridge with ever pull. It also requires absolute concentration to make sure everything is happening as it should.

A turret press has the option of turning off the automatic rotation with each lever pull. So, you could resize a full box of 50 without ever turning the turret at the top (which has the dies loaded into it). Then, you could manually rotate the turret to the powder dispense/flaring die and do all 50. Then rotate and do the bullet seating/crimping.... all without having to unscrew a die and screw the next die in place. (this is the method I normally use)

Or, if you choose you could fully load one cartridge at a time, using the automatic rotation feature of the turret. Put a new case in, pull the lever and size/deprime the case, then the next pull will rotate the turret to put the case into the powder dispense/flare die. The next pull will rotate the turret to put the case into the bullet seat die.... take that fully loaded cartridge out, and start with the next one.
That sounds very versatile. Thanks for the detailed explanation.
Is it able to take rifle dies too?
 

hornetguy

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Sure glad that snub didn't turn your thumb into a stub.
Yes... I was fortunate.... I've seen pics of people that have lost 2 or 3 digits in a ka-boom incident.... I just had major contusions and a cut about 3/4" long....
Is it able to take rifle dies too?
Yes.... any "standard" 7//8 threaded die.... I load .308, .223, 7-08 for a friend, used to load 45-70
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Yes... I was fortunate.... I've seen pics of people that have lost 2 or 3 digits in a ka-boom incident.... I just had major contusions and a cut about 3/4" long....

Yes.... any "standard" 7//8 threaded die.... I load .308, .223, 7-08 for a friend, used to load 45-70
That would be a major savings.