The Gun Thread

[mailmandan]

Gun Sales Spike Following Maine Shootings and Hamas Attacks on Israel | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance

Americans are not going down without a fight.

Gun sales jumped in October, and some experts believe it is because more people want to be prepared to fight back if they get caught in a sticky situation, according to the FBI.

The 8.3% increase in sales followed the Hamas attack on Israel and the mass shooting by a one-time mental patient in Maine. It also came during a rise in violent crime in cities and as the FBI is warning of an unidentified attack on the homeland.

 

[hornetguy]

Americans are not going down without a fight.

Yep.... at least this one...

I recently got back into the 1911 game... bought a Tisas Tanker (commander size).... it was a basic 1911, no bells or whistles anywhere.
Right at $390, out the door...

After shooting the first box of ammo, I remembered why I need a beavertail grip safety. So, I bought a Wilson safety, and the jig for altering the frame, and installed it. I also had to grind down the hammer spur for it to work with the safety. After the fitting, functional testing, etc, I got to take it to the range the other day.
I think it's going to be a keeper. I really need to either replace, or at least enhance the sights just a bit, for quicker acquisition, but they are serviceable as is.

Original config....


showing how the new safety did not fit the original shape of the frame...


With the jig in place and the frame ground down before final shaping/fitting....


The original hammer spur, showing how it won't work with the new safety


New safety installed, hammer spur ground down to fit. Now I just need to touch up the bluing where I ground it off.....


It appears to want to shoot.... 5 shots at 10 yards standing...

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

A Baptist Church has been threatened, harassed and intimidated into closing..
They have threaten
This man in short video shoulders his rifle during church.
Is this a crime in Texas?

Is this man committing any Texas violations, like brandishing a deadly weapon?

I remember antifa doing this to reporters last year.

 

[jennymae]

What’s the problem with owning guns? I know it’s pert near illegal in some countries, but the question is why? I’m currently living in a Scandinavian country and I own several guns legally.

What kind of country puts a ban on the citizens right to defend themselves???

 

[Gideon300]

What’s the problem with owning guns? I know it’s pert near illegal in some countries, but the question is why? I’m currently living in a Scandinavian country and I own several guns legally.

What kind of country puts a ban on the citizens right to defend themselves???

I had this conversation when I visited America in 2016. I was bailed up by a gun toting cowboy who demanded to know why Australia bans guns. Two points here: first, guns are not banned, they are controlled. Second, that year there were around 30,000 gun deaths in America. I told him I had 30,000 reasons why guns should be controlled. Last year, it was 50,000. Now that's inflation for you.

I was in the military but as a technician in the Navy. We did learn about various weapons. I did fire the 7.62 SLR semi auto. The movies show people hiding behind trees. The SLR could punch through 6mm steel plate. A car door is useless as protection.

Gun ownership is open here to anyone who passes psychological and criminal record criteria. Guns and ammunition are expensive. Military style rifles are banned, as are handguns. Guns must be locked up and ammunition stored separately.

Only licenced security and law enforcement can open carry hand guns.

Does it work? We've not had a mass shooter incident since gun control was introduced. That was in 1996. Australia has 0.9 gun deaths per 100,000 people. America 12 gun deaths per 100,000. (University of Sydney research).

 

[jennymae]

I had this conversation when I visited America in 2016. I was bailed up by a gun toting cowboy who demanded to know why Australia bans guns. Two points here: first, guns are not banned, they are controlled. Second, that year there were around 30,000 gun deaths in America. I told him I had 30,000 reasons why guns should be controlled. Last year, it was 50,000. Now that's inflation for you.

I was in the military but as a technician in the Navy. We did learn about various weapons. I did fire the 7.62 SLR semi auto. The movies show people hiding behind trees. The SLR could punch through 6mm steel plate. A car door is useless as protection.

Gun ownership is open here to anyone who passes psychological and criminal record criteria. Guns and ammunition are expensive. Military style rifles are banned, as are handguns. Guns must be locked up and ammunition stored separately.

Only licenced security and law enforcement can open carry hand guns.

Does it work? We've not had a mass shooter incident since gun control was introduced. That was in 1996. Australia has 0.9 gun deaths per 100,000 people. America 12 gun deaths per 100,000. (University of Sydney research).

I think maybe, just maybe, that America and Australia are two cultures that are mighty different.

America is a nation that was founded on free people cutting ties with suppressive regimes in England. Our citizens more often than not were people fleeing from religious persecution in Europe. We had every reason to make sure that any government would know that we, the people, were able to defend ourselves against any threat from whoever trying to put us down.

I don’t know what it is like in Australia, but to us, guns is a way check and balances.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I think maybe, just maybe, that America and Australia are two cultures that are mighty different.

America is a nation that was founded on free people cutting ties with suppressive regimes in England. Our citizens more often than not were people fleeing from religious persecution in Europe. We had every reason to make sure that any government would know that we, the people, were able to defend ourselves against any threat from whoever trying to put us down.

I don’t know what it is like in Australia, but to us, guns is a way check and balances.

This couple represents a percentage of the people of Australia who disagree with those that think their government grant them privilege to keep and properly use such tools.
You might enjoy this as much as I have.
3,000 Yards rapid fire after a few rounds to zero. Beginning to end with wind gusts and everything that makes 3,000 yard shots impossible for most everyone else.
His girlfriend spotter enjoys shooting as much as he does. Again, this couple is from Australia. How cool is that?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I think maybe, just maybe, that America and Australia are two cultures that are mighty different.

America is a nation that was founded on free people cutting ties with suppressive regimes in England. Our citizens more often than not were people fleeing from religious persecution in Europe. We had every reason to make sure that any government would know that we, the people, were able to defend ourselves against any threat from whoever trying to put us down.

I don’t know what it is like in Australia, but to us, guns is a way check and balances.

Jennymae,

Here they are shooting 4,002 yards, which is 2.27 miles with strong wind!

 

[Lynx]

Every time I see this thread I think of an ancient Doonesbury comic.

https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/05/02

 

[Lynx]

Jennymae,

Here they are shooting 4,002 yards, which is 2.27 miles with strong wind!

Lapua Magnum? Why does that sound familiar?

(goes off to consult with Brother Google)

Oh yeah! That's the Linux powered sniper rifle. It runs a custom Linux operating system, complete with wifi connection. When you pull the trigger it can take up to a second before it goes bang, as the computer calculates in real-time how to hit the target in spite of human variables.

(And they found a way to hack it and change the target...)

Yes I'm a nerd. I remember it because it was running Linux.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Lapua Magnum? Why does that sound familiar?

(goes off to consult with Brother Google)

Oh yeah! That's the Linux powered sniper rifle. It runs a custom Linux operating system, complete with wifi connection. When you pull the trigger it can take up to a second before it goes bang, as the computer calculates in real-time how to hit the target in spite of human variables.

(And they found a way to hack it and change the target...)

Yes I'm a nerd. I remember it because it was running Linux.

Is that the one displayed in the movie Shooter?

 

[hornetguy]

I had this conversation when I visited America in 2016. I was bailed up by a gun toting cowboy who demanded to know why Australia bans guns. Two points here: first, guns are not banned, they are controlled. Second, that year there were around 30,000 gun deaths in America. I told him I had 30,000 reasons why guns should be controlled. Last year, it was 50,000. Now that's inflation for you.

I was in the military but as a technician in the Navy. We did learn about various weapons. I did fire the 7.62 SLR semi auto. The movies show people hiding behind trees. The SLR could punch through 6mm steel plate. A car door is useless as protection.

Gun ownership is open here to anyone who passes psychological and criminal record criteria. Guns and ammunition are expensive. Military style rifles are banned, as are handguns. Guns must be locked up and ammunition stored separately.

Only licenced security and law enforcement can open carry hand guns.

Does it work? We've not had a mass shooter incident since gun control was introduced. That was in 1996. Australia has 0.9 gun deaths per 100,000 people. America 12 gun deaths per 100,000. (University of Sydney research).

In other words, you can own a limited number of types of gun as a toy only.....

Why would your government say you could not own a military style firearm, if you've passed psychological and criminal background checks? What are they afraid of? Why can you not open carry, if you've been properly "approved" by the government?

If someone breaks into your home, do they give you a time out long enough to go unlock your ammo, load your firearm, then proceed with defending your family?

 

[jennymae]

Over here it ain’t illegal to confront/or shoot an intruder A few decades ago they tried to prosecute people shooting burglars, but the Supreme Court ruled that you can do that as long as they ain’t fleeing. Pretty much like it is in Alabama.

 

[jennymae]

I think maybe, just maybe, that America and Australia are two cultures that are mighty different.

America is a nation that was founded on free people cutting ties with suppressive regimes in England. Our citizens more often than not were people fleeing from religious persecution in Europe. We had every reason to make sure that any government would know that we, the people, were able to defend ourselves against any threat from whoever trying to put us down.

I don’t know what it is like in Australia, but to us, guns is a way check and balances.

@Billyd and @tourist, I’m not just talking about just this thread, but do y’all realize how much it means for me to get a positive response from people I respect as much as the two of you? Probably not, but I’m saying it anyways.❤️

 

[Gideon300]

In other words, you can own a limited number of types of gun as a toy only.....

Why would your government say you could not own a military style firearm, if you've passed psychological and criminal background checks? What are they afraid of? Why can you not open carry, if you've been properly "approved" by the government?

If someone breaks into your home, do they give you a time out long enough to go unlock your ammo, load your firearm, then proceed with defending your family?

The government is afraid of Australia becoming as gun happy and murderous as the good ole USA. The restrictions were put in place after a number of mass shootings. The numbers speak for themselves.

This is Australia, not the Wild West. We have enough problems without allowing anyone and his dog to carry a gun anywhere at any time. When someone can show me that unrestricted gun ownership results in less death and injury, I'll gladly change my mind.

I get your point about break ins. If the courts would enforce the existing laws here, crime would be less of a problem. However, having a loaded gun in the house is asking for trouble. How many accidental deaths are there in America each year? I believe that Australia's approach is the lesser of two evils.

 

[Gideon300]

In other words, you can own a limited number of types of gun as a toy only.....

Why would your government say you could not own a military style firearm, if you've passed psychological and criminal background checks? What are they afraid of? Why can you not open carry, if you've been properly "approved" by the government?

If someone breaks into your home, do they give you a time out long enough to go unlock your ammo, load your firearm, then proceed with defending your family?

I omitted to reply to your "military style firearm" comment. First, the guns that are permitted are not toys. They can still kill, but just not at the rate of fire of an AR15. If only law enforcement can carry guns, there is no reason for the average person to carry.

The ban on assault weapons was in direct response to a mass shooting event. Since the ban was introduced, gun deaths have dropped dramatically. Recently, two nut jobs were arrested after sniping at cars on a freeway. If they'd been using assault rifles, it could have been carnage.

I'm not against guns generally. If I ran this country, every young adult would do national service with appropriate small arms training. Since the progressives now rule, we will have to purchase an army of robots instead. Boy's spines are removed at birth these days. God help us if Australia has to go to war.

 

[hornetguy]

The government is afraid of Australia becoming as gun happy and murderous as the good ole USA.

So it is your belief that the gun itself causes people to become murderous? Even after they have passed all the exams with flying colors? Simply owning and carrying a gun turns people murderous?

When someone can show me that unrestricted gun ownership results in less death and injury, I'll gladly change my mind.

There is ample data that shows here in the murderous US, that cities with more freedom in gun ownership, the crime rate is considerably lower than in the cities that have the strictest gun laws.

 

[hornetguy]

I omitted to reply to your "military style firearm" comment. First, the guns that are permitted are not toys.

Yes, I meant "toys" in the sense that they are used for duck and rabbit hunting, but would not be as effective in a more serious social event.
As you may or may not know, the founding fathers of the US knew that any government could become dictatorial, or the leader could declare him/herself "king"..... they knew that the true power rests with the citizens... the people, and that the people should always have the means to remove a dictator, when necessary.
One only has to read history to see how this happens more often than we like to admit... look at many south American nations... look at Cuba, with Castro... look at Pol Pot... African nations....
The idea was that the people could prevent that from happening. Having people owning weapons that are at least similar to what the military uses is part of that intent.

I believe there are many causes of the high crime rate here in the US. We could discuss that, if you wish, but to make it simple, most other countries are not as ethnically diverse as the US is. When any ethnic group decides to not follow the norms of society, then there will be backlash in many different directions.
Many nations have relatively low crime because they are ethnically fairly "pure".... Japan, for example.
What is Australia, basically two groups? The native, aboriginal folks, and then all the mixed-origen white folks?
It makes a difference.

 

[Gideon300]

Yes, I meant "toys" in the sense that they are used for duck and rabbit hunting, but would not be as effective in a more serious social event.
As you may or may not know, the founding fathers of the US knew that any government could become dictatorial, or the leader could declare him/herself "king"..... they knew that the true power rests with the citizens... the people, and that the people should always have the means to remove a dictator, when necessary.
One only has to read history to see how this happens more often than we like to admit... look at many south American nations... look at Cuba, with Castro... look at Pol Pot... African nations....
The idea was that the people could prevent that from happening. Having people owning weapons that are at least similar to what the military uses is part of that intent.

I believe there are many causes of the high crime rate here in the US. We could discuss that, if you wish, but to make it simple, most other countries are not as ethnically diverse as the US is. When any ethnic group decides to not follow the norms of society, then there will be backlash in many different directions.
Many nations have relatively low crime because they are ethnically fairly "pure".... Japan, for example.
What is Australia, basically two groups? The native, aboriginal folks, and then all the mixed-origen white folks?
It makes a difference.

Australia is a nation of immigrants. As the joke goes, Australia's forefathers were selected by the best British judges. Australia, unlike America, was a penal colony. Many settled here rather than go back to the UK. Many were Irish, not exactly best mates with the British establishment.

After WW2, a lot of Greeks and Italians settled here. Many New Zealanders also. At one time Sydney's Kiwi population was more than the second largest city in NZ. After the Vietnam war finished, a great many Vietnamese, mostly ethnic Chinese came here. They added to the Chinese who came to work in the goldfields in the late 19th century. There were Afghan camel herders as well.

Now it is people from India who make the majority of migrants. We have a refugee program so there are also Sudanese, people from Kosovo, Russia, Ukraine, Lebanon and a number of other nations. A bit over a quarter of Australia's population was born overseas.

We have our share of problems. There are ethnically based organised crime gangs. The Mafia set up shop here, Chinese Tongs and Middle Eastern crime gangs. Of course they mostly deal in drugs, but stolen cars are big business as well. However, compared to most countries we're pretty well off. I've travelled a bit, including twice to America. I lived in NZ for a couple of years. I was born in England. Australia suits me just fine.

I don't see that arming the population is going to help if a government decides to crack down. Even an Armalite is useless against an armoured car. And if people decide to take sides. all you have is the potential for a bloody civil war.

 

[NightTwister]

I had this conversation when I visited America in 2016. I was bailed up by a gun toting cowboy who demanded to know why Australia bans guns. Two points here: first, guns are not banned, they are controlled. Second, that year there were around 30,000 gun deaths in America. I told him I had 30,000 reasons why guns should be controlled. Last year, it was 50,000. Now that's inflation for you.

I was in the military but as a technician in the Navy. We did learn about various weapons. I did fire the 7.62 SLR semi auto. The movies show people hiding behind trees. The SLR could punch through 6mm steel plate. A car door is useless as protection.

Gun ownership is open here to anyone who passes psychological and criminal record criteria. Guns and ammunition are expensive. Military style rifles are banned, as are handguns. Guns must be locked up and ammunition stored separately.

Only licenced security and law enforcement can open carry hand guns.

Does it work? We've not had a mass shooter incident since gun control was introduced. That was in 1996. Australia has 0.9 gun deaths per 100,000 people. America 12 gun deaths per 100,000. (University of Sydney research).

There is so much that is wrong with these numbers, such as most of the gun deaths occur in large cities where gun control is strict.

Here are the top 10 in the World:

1. El Salvador – 35.5
2. Venezuela – 32.75
3. Guatemala – 28.23
4. Colombia – 24.8
5. Honduras – 21.22
6. Brazil – 20.8
7. Puerto Rico – 19.72
8. The Bahamas – 19.72
9. United States Virgin Islands – 19.29
10. Mexico – 15.55

The United States is at 4.12

Notice that Puerto Rico & USVI are listed there, which are U.S. Territories. Gun ownership is very strictly limited, and concealed carry is not allowed. The gun violence that occurs in our largest cities (St. Louis, New Orleans, Chicago, Baltimore, etc.) is directly due to people not being able to defend themselves, and criminals know that.