What do you think of Martial Arts?

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posthuman

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What would you like to share about Meister Eckhart, as well as the identity, definition, and purpose of the "soul weaver"? Are you bright enough to provide any information whatsoever to prove me wrong? Clue: There are no sources you can cite that can prove me wrong.
lol why would i need to?
what can you tell me about her, as a person?
have you tried something as simple as, say, reading her blog, before you publicly burn her at the stake?


should i go searching for all the most wicked half-associations i can find for the letters "J" and "T" and then ascribe all of it to you personally?
 

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@J-T
You should check out my worship music channel too, it's all Psalms from KJV put to music. I've been making music for the glory of God since 2008.
Beware of bearing false witness rashly. As a disciple of Jesus I expect nothing less than to be reviled. May it not be counted against you what you falsely say about me. But it is concerning, looking at you fight basically everyone on the forum since you came.
 
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Here’s my damn research, and no I’m not sorry for my French, YOU MESS WITH ME, YOU GET THE HORNS, I’m legit pissed off:

https://www.gotquestions.org/martial-arts-Christian.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/self-defense.html

https://www.crossroads.net/media/articles/can-christians-do-yoga

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cr...ay-for-christians-to-practice-yoga.html?amp=1

https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-exercise.html

https://biblereasons.com/reasons-to-exercise/

https://www.compellingtruth.org/Bible-exercise-health.html

There now JT, STEP OFF! Step off and away, even though you have entered enemy territory for me, I don’t hate you. But I will always consider you someone to stay away from, as an enemy. It’s the same with Christians who support democrats, they would probably consider me an enemy, since I’m voting for Trump, but we are called to love everyone, even the enemies. Christians have so many different opinions, we should remember, despite our difference opinions, we are Christians and have unity in that, despite all of our differences.
 

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I went to a Christian high school and each semester most teachers would offer multiple elective classes. One of the teachers (he was a bible teacher) he taught an elective on jiu jitsu. I didn't take the class (I wish I did) but from what I know he just taught grappling and ground attacks for self defense. He obviously didn't go into so idol worshiping crap like some are saying ere. Learning grappling as a tool for self defense is a very nice tool to have whenever needed.
There was a time when Martial Arts was never taught in High School, just as there was a time when The Holy Bible was taught in Public High Schools, but times have changed, and there were many changes that were made before you were even born. Since they kicked God, the Bible, and Prayer out of Public Schools, they have been replaced with Yoga, Trancendental Mediation, Drag Queen Story Hour, and other things, and now there is a huge push for the antichrist teachings of the false prophet Mohammed, the founder of Islam, which has its own re-written Gnostic perverted Bible better known as the Qu'ran to be taught in Public Schools; All of which has led to the Great Falling Away from the Faith, even as the majority of Millenials have abandoned the Christian faith altogether to convert to Witchcraft., and recently, the Church of Satan has been given 501c3 tax status by the I.R.S., and they have become very outspoken in the Government in favor of abortion, and other evil things, as they work to usurp all authority away from Christians to usher in their Fascist/Communist/Socialist New World Order that will lead straight into the Great Tribulation. A little leaven leveanth the whole lump.
 

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lol why would i need to?
what can you tell me about her, as a person?
have you tried something as simple as, say, reading her blog, before you publicly burn her at the stake?


should i go searching for all the most wicked half-associations i can find for the letters "J" and "T" and then ascribe all of it to you personally?
He looked at my blog and ran to accuse me because I quoted a thought from Meister Eckhart but not at my worship music channel with Bible Psalms...
 

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@J-T
You should check out my worship music channel too, it's all Psalms from KJV put to music. I've been making music for the glory of God since 2008.
Beware of bearing false witness rashly. As a disciple of Jesus I expect nothing less than to be reviled. May it not be counted against you what you falsely say about me. But it is concerning, looking at you fight basically everyone on the forum since you came.
I am always most careful not to bear false witness, and do my homework first. It is not difficult to break down every part and aspect of your blog. Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, and other false religions do not worship the same God as Christians. Those antichrist religions worship the Devil.

P.S. If you take a good look at the few individuals that took front and center stage to contend against me and other Christians, it is not too difficult to see that they have been fully exposed as the deceivers that they are. In fact, I am certain that you know who two of them are. Would you like to link those threads to here so that the Christians viewing and/or participating on this thread can read the interactions for themselves? Also, you never did answer where the inspiration of your screen name came from. We both know that there is but only one definition for "Soul Weaver", and with the cited sources, it has been made easy for anyone to discover and find out for themselves that it is a witch. This isn't my first rodeo; You are not the only one that I have encountered that uses screen names such as that.
 

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He looked at my blog and ran to accuse me because I quoted a thought from Meister Eckhart but not at my worship music channel with Bible Psalms...
Why don't you go ahead and make a new thread where we can discuss and break down your heretical blog?
 

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Why don't you go ahead and make a new thread where we can discuss and break down your heretical blog?
I'm aware my understanding is a bit unconventional.

I read Tao te Ching a few years ago out of plain curiosity, and because I wanted to be better informed when testifying to Asians. My jaw dropped... Jesus was everywhere!!! Even very deist verses, and this isn't even normal for Chinese culture... I did not find anything that didn't align with the Bible and many verses that I could just cite Bible parallels, in fact I can on nearly every verse. I was shocked that Christianity was not taking over Asia left and right!!!

Some other resources, from Zen, per example, I see they point at Christ as well.

The Biblical "Logos" is translated as Tao or Dao in the Chinese Bible - meaning the Way (as the early Christianity was called). Ancient Greek "Logos" and "Dao" are almost identical in meaning... If seeing that Tao te Ching points at Christ makes me evil or a witch, so be it. Many Christians have written books on Dao testifying of/pointing at Christ. Religious Daoism is something different though, which I don't align with.

Sorry, but I can't unsee what I see, and pretend it doesn't exist to be politically correct with Christian religion. In fact Tao te Ching gives so much glory to Christ, that I get giddy when I read!!! It propels me right back into reading the Bible with renewed enthusiasm... but you are free to open a thread and attack me if that will fulfill you.
 

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You have yet to cite any sources to back up your claims and to successfully refute me. Until you do so, it's an epic fail on your part. I have already demonstrated citing sources to prove what I have stated, and it is only the beginning. I intend to cite many more. Until you can prove otherwise, you're simply blowing hot air.
you haven't posted anything that shows studying a martial art is a satanic activity, nothing you posted about tai chi shows it is a religious practice, you've completely dodged the fact that the martial art i train in comes from decidedly Christian sources ((even though in and of itself it has nothing to do with any theological origin)), and then, having no answer for the honest criticism of your remarks, recently resorted to unwarranted personal attacks -- on the other hand, i gave you scripture explicitly demonstrating that the LORD makes war, trains & strengthens His people for physical war; that the Bible demonstrably speaks of our faith in terms of training & equipping as a soldier for battle, and i gave you the literal definition of the term 'martial art'

i think it's pretty clear who is 'blowing hot air' here, man.
 

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Christian mysticism is not Gnosticism... I'll give a definition since you are completely ignorant.

Mysticism is theological attitude that God is beyond our understanding or anything man can teach in words, and encouraging seeking of direct intimate experience of God through our prayer life. This is in line with the Scripture ("No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.") It is available to every Christian, and been practiced for thousands of years by Christian monks beginning with Church Fathers and their practice of constant prayer or silence before God, and also many laymen Christians...

Gnosticism is, however, teaching that there is some inner "secret knowledge" intended only for special initiates into the mysteries. As such, it appears in pagan mystery religions.
Meister Eckhart was a Gnostic. "Eckhart (Eckhart von Hochheim) (c. 1260 – c. 1327), was a German theologian, philosopher and mystic." I thought I'd help you out with the Dictionary's definition of "mystic":

WordReference Random House Unabridged Dictionary of American English © 2020

mys•tic (mis′tik),
adj.

1.involving or characterized by esoteric, otherworldly, or symbolic practices or content, as certain religious ceremonies and art; spiritually significant;
ethereal.


2.of the nature of or pertaining to mysteries known only to the initiated:
mystic rites.


3.of occult character, power, or significance:
a mystic formula.


4.of obscure or mysterious character or significance.

5.of or pertaining to mystics or mysticism.

n.
6
.a person who claims to attain, or believes in the possibility of attaining, insight into mysteries transcending ordinary human knowledge, as by direct communication with the divine or immediate intuition in a state of spiritual ecstasy.

7.Religiona person initiated into religious mysteries.

He is also a wizard according to the word “ Occult “ above.

occult (adj.)

1530s, "secret, not divulged," from Middle French occulte and directly from Latin occultus "hidden, concealed, secret," past participle of occulere "cover over, conceal," from assimilated form of ob "over" (see ob-) + a verb related to celare "to hide," from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save." Meaning "not apprehended by the mind, beyond the range of understanding" is from 1540s. The association with the supernatural sciences (magic, alchemy, astrology, etc.) dates from 1630s.
 

posthuman

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does anyone think that when David faced Goliath, that was the first time he ever picked up a sling?

or do we suppose he had practiced with it?

you know, despite what some sermonizers may say, the reason he did not accept Saul's armor that day was because he was not used to it. 1 Samuel 17:39
this is indicative that he understood that training with the implements of warfare is more important than simply having them. this is something driven home to me by training with a sword: if you don't pick it up and use it, regularly, you will not be prepared on the day you need it. this is true of the word of God: it doesn't matter how big and fancy your KJV Bible is; if you do not exercise with it, you will not be able to effectively wield it when you face your adversary.
 

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You intrigued me now to look up swordfighting instructions. May be very beneficial spiritual lessons lying around for the use of our spiritual sword. Pretty much any advice that exists battle wise, such as "don't underestimate your enemy", or "always sharpen your sword", can be applied to spiritual fight and I wonder how people don't see that. I read Sun Tzu's Art of war with this notion in mind and enjoyed it as an amazing treatise. It's simply applying observed truths from one context to another that is nearly identical. It's a beneficial lesson.
lesson 1:

the pointy end goes towards the enemy. :)
 

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Meister Eckhart was a Gnostic. "Eckhart (Eckhart von Hochheim) (c. 1260 – c. 1327), was a German theologian, philosopher and mystic." I thought I'd help you out with the Dictionary's definition of "mystic":

WordReference Random House Unabridged Dictionary of American English © 2020

mys•tic (mis′tik),
adj.


1.involving or characterized by esoteric, otherworldly, or symbolic practices or content, as certain religious ceremonies and art; spiritually significant;
ethereal.


2.of the nature of or pertaining to mysteries known only to the initiated:
mystic rites.


3.of occult character, power, or significance:
a mystic formula.


4.of obscure or mysterious character or significance.

5.of or pertaining to mystics or mysticism.

n.
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.a person who claims to attain, or believes in the possibility of attaining, insight into mysteries transcending ordinary human knowledge, as by direct communication with the divine or immediate intuition in a state of spiritual ecstasy.

7.Religiona person initiated into religious mysteries.

He is also a wizard according to the word “ Occult “ above.

occult (adj.)

1530s, "secret, not divulged," from Middle French occulte and directly from Latin occultus "hidden, concealed, secret," past participle of occulere "cover over, conceal," from assimilated form of ob "over" (see ob-) + a verb related to celare "to hide," from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save." Meaning "not apprehended by the mind, beyond the range of understanding" is from 1540s. The association with the supernatural sciences (magic, alchemy, astrology, etc.) dates from 1630s.
I used the word in defitions 1) and 5), eventually 4). I did not use it in defition "occult". I told you what is the traditional definition of Christian mysticism, and what I also personally believe. Go to the Wikipedia page for Christian mysticism, and you will see that I told you the truth.
 

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1530s, "secret, not divulged," from Middle French occulte and directly from Latin occultus "hidden, concealed, secret," past participle of occulere "cover over, conceal," from assimilated form of ob "over" (see ob-) + a verb related to celare "to hide," from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save." Meaning "not apprehended by the mind, beyond the range of understanding" is from 1540s. The association with the supernatural sciences (magic, alchemy, astrology, etc.) dates from 1630s.
The prayer life of Early Church Fathers is a lot older than some 17th century masonic occult practices. You apparently have a whole day to spend at your PC but I don't. You will continue to argue, and I simply don't agree with what you're saying, and you're not even listening to me you're talking at me not with me anyway, so that's that.
 

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I read Sun Tzu's Art of war with this notion in mind and enjoyed it as an amazing treatise. It's simply applying observed truths from one context to another that is nearly identical. It's a beneficial lesson.
when i first read Sun Tzu talking about understand the terrain and setting, using it to your advantage and avoiding putting yourself at a disadvantage, one of my first thoughts was about 'flee useful lust' and how i ought to avoid certain situations, in exactly the way he was describing. Sun Tzu was wise!

some people are looking for Satan everywhere their eyes roam.
some people are looking for Christ.
i think it is wiser to think on what is good than it is to look for evil; isn't this what Philippians 4:8 advises? and as Christ said, '
each day has sufficient evil' -- i don't need to add to it.


here is lesson 2:
to find grace and think on what is good is like a parry & a guard; to search out evil is like a cut or a thrust.
before all things in a swordfight, keep up your defense. it is of no advantage to wound your opponent if he also stabs you in the same exchange. block first and foremost ((find what is good and wise)) and attack when opportunity presents, not before.






**p.s. not saying i'm good at doing this, lol. just that it's what's wise ;)
 

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I'm aware my understanding is a bit unconventional.

I read Tao te Ching a few years ago out of plain curiosity, and because I wanted to be better informed when testifying to Asians. My jaw dropped... Jesus was everywhere!!! Even very deist verses, and this isn't even normal for Chinese culture... I did not find anything that didn't align with the Bible and many verses that I could just cite Bible parallels, in fact I can on nearly every verse. I was shocked that Christianity was not taking over Asia left and right!!!

Some other resources, from Zen, per example, I see they point at Christ as well.

The Biblical "Logos" is translated as Tao or Dao in the Chinese Bible - meaning the Way (as the early Christianity was called). Ancient Greek "Logos" and "Dao" are almost identical in meaning... If seeing that Tao te Ching points at Christ makes me evil or a witch, so be it. Many Christians have written books on Dao testifying of/pointing at Christ. Religious Daoism is something different though, which I don't align with.

Sorry, but I can't unsee what I see, and pretend it doesn't exist to be politically correct with Christian religion. In fact Tao te Ching gives so much glory to Christ, that I get giddy when I read!!! It propels me right back into reading the Bible with renewed enthusiasm... but you are free to open a thread and attack me if that will fulfill you.
You are teaching Pantheism/Universalism, Antichrist 'religion blending', along with a false Christ for each religion, and it is not Biblical. None of those dead antichrist religions believe in, teach, or preach The True and Living Lord Jesus Christ. You have the spirit of error, and not the Spirit of Christ.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.



2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

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2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 

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I used the word in defitions 1) and 5), eventually 4). I did not use it in defition "occult". I told you what is the traditional definition of Christian mysticism, and what I also personally believe. Go to the Wikipedia page for Christian mysticism, and you will see that I told you the truth.
Biblically, there is no such thing as a "Christian Mystic". That is an invention of the Great Whore. Below is a definition of "esoteric", which you used in your first definition. I will add that it is common knowledge that this word is widely used in the Occult, and you have to deal with this word, as it drives the point home that your buddy, Meister Eckhart, was a Gnostic, and this is without utilizing Illuminati and/or Masonic sources, although more of that information will be posted soon enough on >> THIS THREAD <<.

WordReference Random House Unabridged Dictionary of American English © 2020

es•o•ter•ic (es′ə ter′ik),
adj.

1.understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest;
recondite:
poetry full of esoteric allusions.

2.belonging to the select few.

3.private;
secret;
confidential.
 

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You are teaching Pantheism/Universalism, Antichrist 'religion blending', along with a false Christ for each religion, and it is not Biblical. None of those dead antichrist religions believe in, teach, or preach The True and Living Lord Jesus Christ. You have the spirit of error, and not the Spirit of Christ.
No - I am not believing or teaching that.
What part of "points at Christ" you do not understand?
I have testified, since I read Tao te Ching, of Jesus Christ, to Taoists and to atheists (philosophical Taoists) as well.
What are you doing? Beside fighting brothers and sisters on forums all day?

"He who takes upon himself the humiliation of the people
is fit to rule them.
He who takes upon himself the country's disasters deserves
to be king of the universe."
---Tao te Ching, chap. 78

Is this not what Jesus did for us?
Like apostle Paul, I believe in testifying to people based on what they already know.
I think that a person who read these and many more, when they hear of Jesus Christ, they should recognize Him as the king of the universe.
 

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more of that information will be posted soon enough on >> THIS THREAD <<.
lol is this a typo?

that links to the '
would you take a covid vaccine' thread in the conspiracy section.

hardly seems like the appropriate place for misguided personal attacks...? :unsure:
 

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No - I am not believing or teaching that.
What part of "points at Christ" you do not understand?
I have testified, since I read Tao te Ching, of Jesus Christ, to Taoists and to atheists (philosophical Taoists) as well.
What are you doing? Beside fighting brothers and sisters on forums all day?

"He who takes upon himself the humiliation of the people
is fit to rule them.
He who takes upon himself the country's disasters deserves
to be king of the universe."
---Tao te Ching, chap. 78

Is this not what Jesus did for us?
Like apostle Paul, I believe in testifying to people based on what they already know.
I think that a person who read these and many more, when they hear of Jesus Christ, they should recognize Him as the king of the universe.
Sure you are. You stated that their writings "point to Christ", what is to not understand? And now you want to take a quote from their antichrist book to teach a false Jesus. Unlike you, my final authority is what is written in The Holy Bible; Not what is written in the Gnostic books of the Occult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching

Tao Te Ching
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Tao Te Ching (/ˌtaʊtiːˈtʃɪŋ/,[1] /ˈdaʊ dɛ ˈdʒɪŋ/;[2] simplified Chinese: 道德经; traditional Chinese: 道德經; pinyin: Dàodé Jīng [tâu tɤ̌ tɕíŋ] (
listen)),[a] also known as Lao Tzu or Laozi,[7] is a Chinese classic text traditionally credited to the 6th-century BC sage Laozi. The text's authorship, date of composition and date of compilation are debated.[8] The oldest excavated portion dates back to the late 4th century BC,[9] but modern scholarship dates other parts of the text as having been written—or at least compiled—later than the earliest portions of the Zhuangzi.[10]

The Tao Te Ching, along with the Zhuangzi, is a fundamental text for both philosophical and religious Taoism. It also strongly influenced other schools of Chinese philosophy and religion, including Legalism, Confucianism, and Buddhism, which was largely interpreted through the use of Taoist words and concepts when it was originally introduced to China. Many artists, including poets, painters, calligraphers, and gardeners, have used the Tao Te Ching as a source of inspiration. Its influence has spread widely outside East Asia and it is among the most translated works in world literature.[9]

In English, the title is commonly rendered Tao Te Ching /ˌtaʊtiːˈtʃɪŋ/, following Wade-Giles romanization, or Dao De Jing /ˌdaʊdɛˈdʒɪŋ/, following pinyin.

The Chinese characters in the title (Chinese: 道德經; pinyin: Dàodéjīng; Wade–Giles: Tao⁴ Tê² Ching¹) are:

(pinyin: dào; Wade–Giles: tao⁴) literally means "way", or one of its synonyms, but was extended to mean "the Way". This term, which was variously used by other Chinese philosophers (including Confucius, Mencius, Mozi, and Hanfeizi), has special meaning within the context of Taoism, where it implies the essential, unnameable process of the universe. (pinyin: ; Wade–Giles: tê²) means "virtue", "personal character", "inner strength" (virtuosity), or "integrity". The semantics of this Chinese word resemble English virtue, which developed from the Italian virtù, an archaic sense of "inner potency" or "divine power" (as in "healing virtue of a drug") to the modern meaning of "moral excellence" or "goodness". Compare the compound word 道德 (pinyin: dàodé; Wade–Giles: tao⁴-tê²), literally "ethics", "ethical principles", "morals" or "morality".經 (pinyin: jīng; Wade–Giles: ching¹) as it is used here means "canon", "great book", or "classic".

The first character can be considered to modify the second or can be understood as standing alongside it in modifying the third. Thus, the Tao Te Ching can be translated as The Classic of the Way's Virtue(s),[citation needed] The Book of the Tao and Its Virtue,[11] or The Book of the Way and of Virtue.[12][13] It has also been translated as The Tao and its Characteristics,[5] The Canon of Reason and Virtue,[6] The Classic Book of Integrity and the Way,[14] and A Treatise on the Principle and Its Action.[15][16]

Ancient Chinese books were commonly referenced by the name of their real or supposed author, in this case the "Old Master",[17] Laozi. As such, the Tao Te Ching is also sometimes referred to as the Laozi, especially in Chinese sources.[9] ..."