Then you didn't read my last post about 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Everybody can get saved and anyone can know and admit that they are sinners, but you have to TURN AWAY from that sin to get into the kingdom of GOD. You cannot remain in that addiction that satan is lord over. You have to make the Holy Ghost your new addiction. I have just gotten out of a major addiction of my own that I had since I was 6 and after I got saved GOD informed me that I had to get rid of my other gods or I will always be partial to HIM and love these gods. Addictions are gods of your life that keep you from loveing the Holy GOD with your whole heart. I knew I was in the wrong, but knowing it didn't make an inch of difference because it was still my god.
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Some christians are obessed with homosexuality. I am not.
I had a gay man come into a christian chat room. He said he was there to change christians from hatting him as a gay man. I told him I was not gay and did not hate him. He began asking me many questions to make sure I did not hate gays. He asked "what would you do if I asked you out on a date?" I said I would tell you no thankx, I am married to a woman and plan on being loyal to her. He asked me several more questions and each time I gave him christian love back.
He burst into tears and began telling me how his dad rejected him because he was gay. We as Christians should love others. No matter how they look, how they dress or how they act. I am not perfect on this myself, but that day I showed him acceptance and told him Jesus accepts you if you will just turn to him.
I had a gay man come into a christian chat room. He said he was there to change christians from hatting him as a gay man. I told him I was not gay and did not hate him. He began asking me many questions to make sure I did not hate gays. He asked "what would you do if I asked you out on a date?" I said I would tell you no thankx, I am married to a woman and plan on being loyal to her. He asked me several more questions and each time I gave him christian love back.
He burst into tears and began telling me how his dad rejected him because he was gay. We as Christians should love others. No matter how they look, how they dress or how they act. I am not perfect on this myself, but that day I showed him acceptance and told him Jesus accepts you if you will just turn to him.
Good comeback I guess was there any point to what you said or were you just desperately trying to get in a word to look smart? What I am saying I really believe is true we look away from whats wrong and find a scapegoat and ignore a lot of other problems not saying homosexuality is right like you probably would assume but we shouldnt lose sight of other flaws.
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The scapegoat is mentioned in the Bible only once (Lev 16), as part of the ritual for the annual Day of Atonement. The priest was to cast lots for two goats. One of them was then sacrificed for a sin offering; the other, chosen by lot as the scapegoat, was driven out of the camp alive after the priest had lain hands on it and confessed over it the sins of the Israelites (Lev 16:7–10, 20–22, 26).
The goat was not killed (though in later Jewish tradition it was driven over a cliff to prevent its returning) but left to its fate. The wilderness as the sphere of death was its rightful place. Wild beasts or maybe demons would do as they pleased, and death would take its lawful toll. And yet even the desert was created and ruled by God. The ultimate judgment over the animal carrying sins was its own.
My experience and observations are that the homosexual demographic tries really hard to scapegoat Christians in that way by attempting to load up the sins of the world on us and drive us into a desert of condemnation and judgment.
Obviously, they are satanically inspired to do this for the motif of a sin laden rejected animal wandering into a desert of judgment is diametrically opposed to the reality of sanctified forgiven Christians.
Whether or not the motif aligns with a rebellious homosexual who rejects God, as God is, to live a life of unrepentant sinful sexual immorality is another matter for discussion entirely.
The goat was not killed (though in later Jewish tradition it was driven over a cliff to prevent its returning) but left to its fate. The wilderness as the sphere of death was its rightful place. Wild beasts or maybe demons would do as they pleased, and death would take its lawful toll. And yet even the desert was created and ruled by God. The ultimate judgment over the animal carrying sins was its own.
My experience and observations are that the homosexual demographic tries really hard to scapegoat Christians in that way by attempting to load up the sins of the world on us and drive us into a desert of condemnation and judgment.
Obviously, they are satanically inspired to do this for the motif of a sin laden rejected animal wandering into a desert of judgment is diametrically opposed to the reality of sanctified forgiven Christians.
Whether or not the motif aligns with a rebellious homosexual who rejects God, as God is, to live a life of unrepentant sinful sexual immorality is another matter for discussion entirely.
1. Christians have problems with homosexuality because our government is legalizing it. If our government was trying to legalize child rape or murder, I would have problems with that too.
2. Homosexuals are fighting for rights to keep preachers from preaching about it, calling it a hate crime. If any other sinful group tried that, I would have problems with them too.
3. Homosexuals are getting the rights to be ordained in the ministry. If robbers and pornographers were trying to do that, I would have problems with them too.
You rarely see any other group of sinners demanding such rights. Neither do we see the government or the media fighting for other sinful groups. I don't see prostitutes claiming special rights within the church. I don't see gangs claiming special rights in the church. Why should homosexuals get those special rights when no other sinful group does?
2. Homosexuals are fighting for rights to keep preachers from preaching about it, calling it a hate crime. If any other sinful group tried that, I would have problems with them too.
3. Homosexuals are getting the rights to be ordained in the ministry. If robbers and pornographers were trying to do that, I would have problems with them too.
You rarely see any other group of sinners demanding such rights. Neither do we see the government or the media fighting for other sinful groups. I don't see prostitutes claiming special rights within the church. I don't see gangs claiming special rights in the church. Why should homosexuals get those special rights when no other sinful group does?
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EXACTLY Stephen63!! Finally! If alcholics were arguing their right to drive while drunk, I would argue against it. Las Vegas continually discriminates against cheats, yet there are no marches. We do not ponder the rights of liars, idolaters, or murderers. Christian do not love sin nor do we accept the wrong as right. We love the sinner but are convicted of sin and understand its consequences. We know that God does NOT forgive sin. He forgives the sinner. This is the tragedy of human kind.
You're equating homosexuality with child rape, murder, stealing, pornography, and prostitution.
I fail to see the resemblance or why one implies the other.
Yeah, sure there are some that call it a hate crime but homosexuals are just fighting for equality. It's not "special" rights when they want the exact same rights that you and I have. The whole homosexuality issue seems just like segregation was in the 1960's. We all know how that went.
I thought we were all sinners?
The problem is you just want your religious beliefs pushed on others and think they should act the
way you see fit according to the religion. This is unconstitutional and violates human rights.
Do I even need to explain why this is wrong?
I fail to see the resemblance or why one implies the other.
Yeah, sure there are some that call it a hate crime but homosexuals are just fighting for equality. It's not "special" rights when they want the exact same rights that you and I have. The whole homosexuality issue seems just like segregation was in the 1960's. We all know how that went.
I thought we were all sinners?
The problem is you just want your religious beliefs pushed on others and think they should act the
way you see fit according to the religion. This is unconstitutional and violates human rights.
Do I even need to explain why this is wrong?
Yahwhat, I'm assuming you'd have no problem with incestuous marriage, polygamy, and even pedophile marriage then. ALL of those have been historically more socially AND governmentaly accepted than homosexuality.
If not, I have 1 question for you: HOW DARE YOU PUSH YOUR MORALITY ON POLYGAMISTS,THE INCESTUOUS , OR PEDOPHILES!!
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There are some gray areas for God, but they don't belong in a thread concerning homosexuality.
Here is the basic understanding that I have of a human that God calls to be his own.
1. God calls His elect
2. The elect knows they are His and they obey
3. Christians are obligated do everything to the glory of God.*1
4. Christians are to furthur the gospel, to teach, to preach, to admonish, to exort, to live sanctified lives
5. Christians are put inside a boundary, and inside that boundary is the grey area with some white hotspots (such as tithing, serving in the church, being a witness, honoring those in authority, praying for government officials, etc.). Everything outside of the boundary is black (don't be unequally yolked; do not curse the Holy Spirit; do not commit adultery; do not break the 10 commandments; do not be involved in homosexuality, etc.) I personally believe such things as interracial marriage, eating shrimp, and drinking is in the grey area, but can become a black area IF an insistence to do so causes you to break on of the "white hotspots". God gives us boundaries that should not be crossed, but everything that is not directly addressed in the Bible can be considered a grey area.
Here is the basic understanding that I have of a human that God calls to be his own.
1. God calls His elect
2. The elect knows they are His and they obey
3. Christians are obligated do everything to the glory of God.*1
4. Christians are to furthur the gospel, to teach, to preach, to admonish, to exort, to live sanctified lives
5. Christians are put inside a boundary, and inside that boundary is the grey area with some white hotspots (such as tithing, serving in the church, being a witness, honoring those in authority, praying for government officials, etc.). Everything outside of the boundary is black (don't be unequally yolked; do not curse the Holy Spirit; do not commit adultery; do not break the 10 commandments; do not be involved in homosexuality, etc.) I personally believe such things as interracial marriage, eating shrimp, and drinking is in the grey area, but can become a black area IF an insistence to do so causes you to break on of the "white hotspots". God gives us boundaries that should not be crossed, but everything that is not directly addressed in the Bible can be considered a grey area.
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It's so true. Much of the world accuses homosexuals of being tasteless, unnatural, crass, and unbiblical... and that Christian part of the world is speaking out of the wrong side of its face, for they can be just as tasteless, unnatural, crass, and unbiblical. Could it be too many Christians have forgotten how to love a person to Christianity. "By this will they know you are my people; if you love one another". For the most part homosexuals put their pants on the same way you or I do. They are normal people living controversial lives and do deal with hate every day. Know what's the pity? When was the last time you as a Christian was persecuted for your faith? When was the last time you said "Yes I go to church" and got a derisive look or comment. A majority of the world is called "christian" because the salt has lost its savor and looks like every other rock in the mountain. Too many Christians of today are considered dangerous or unorthodox if they even give a person of the opposite sex in their church a hug, kiss on the cheek, or even touch on the arm. Why? because there's more of a concern about looking good than showing a person you care. If the church of today loved as much as it was supposed to in the ways it was supposed to there would be no welfare system and no debt... because the local churches would be filling in the gaps that poverty and neglect and abandonment leave.
Should we compromise the truth for the sake of being "loving" and "accepting"? Hardly, for it is the love of a person that gives us a burden for their soul or their health (in the case of homosexuality it would be health both of a physical and spiritual nature).
Should we compromise the truth for the sake of being "loving" and "accepting"? Hardly, for it is the love of a person that gives us a burden for their soul or their health (in the case of homosexuality it would be health both of a physical and spiritual nature).
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Yes or maybe a poll to see if murdering human beings is worse than tattling on someone who stole a sweet roll. *rolls eyes*.
Yes, some sins are worse (e.g. a more serious or unpleasant event or circumstance) than others. For example, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin, where sinning against Jesus is forgivable (Matthew 12:32).
Also, Jesus said to Pilate in John 19:11, "...he who delivered Me up to you has the greater sin.”
Hebrews 10:29 says, "How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" In each of these instances, sin has degrees of punishment.
The Old Testament recognized different sacrifices for different sins. If all sins are equal, then different sacrifices would not be necessary. Instead, the Jews would only have needed one sacrifice to cover everything.
However, all sin is bad and any sin, big or little, is damnable without the forgiveness of God in Christ. When we sin, we sin against holy God.
Yes, some sins are worse (e.g. a more serious or unpleasant event or circumstance) than others. For example, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin, where sinning against Jesus is forgivable (Matthew 12:32).
Also, Jesus said to Pilate in John 19:11, "...he who delivered Me up to you has the greater sin.”
Hebrews 10:29 says, "How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" In each of these instances, sin has degrees of punishment.
The Old Testament recognized different sacrifices for different sins. If all sins are equal, then different sacrifices would not be necessary. Instead, the Jews would only have needed one sacrifice to cover everything.
However, all sin is bad and any sin, big or little, is damnable without the forgiveness of God in Christ. When we sin, we sin against holy God.
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Contrary to your present opinion, not all sins are considered by God to be equal though I agree with you they are all damnable outside of Christ. I don't think you're really reading my posts.
Jesus said there were "weightier matters of the law" (Matt. 23:23 KJV), such as, for example, mercy and justice over tithing.
He also declared our love for God to be a higher duty than our love for human beings, calling the former "the first and greatest commandment" (Matt. 22:38).
As I already explained (and you chose to ignore), Jesus told Pilate that "the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin" (John 19:11).
The more severe eternal punishment for some is due to the heaviness of the sins they have committed (Rev. 20:12). John spoke of a sin so monstrous that God took the guilty person's life (1 John 5:16).
Paul said some were disciplined with death by God for partaking of the Lord's table in an unworthy manner (1 Cor. 11:29-30), indicating that this is a particularly substantial sin.
Etc...
Not only are some sins greater, there is also a "greatest" sin, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 12:32).
All sins can be placed into two broad categories: sins of commission and sins of omission. This means that some sins are doing what we should not do, and others are not doing what we should do.
God singled out seven particular sins He cannot abide:
"There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: [l] haughty eyes, [2] a lying tongue, [3] hands that shed innocent blood, [4] a heart that devises wicked schemes, [5] feet that are quick to rush into evil, [6] a false witness who pours out lies and [7] a man who stirs up dissension among brothers. (Prov. 6:16-19).
Simply stated, these are pride, deceit, murder, plotting evil, quickness to do Wrong, false testimony, and troublemaking.
Etc...
Jesus said there were "weightier matters of the law" (Matt. 23:23 KJV), such as, for example, mercy and justice over tithing.
He also declared our love for God to be a higher duty than our love for human beings, calling the former "the first and greatest commandment" (Matt. 22:38).
As I already explained (and you chose to ignore), Jesus told Pilate that "the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin" (John 19:11).
The more severe eternal punishment for some is due to the heaviness of the sins they have committed (Rev. 20:12). John spoke of a sin so monstrous that God took the guilty person's life (1 John 5:16).
Paul said some were disciplined with death by God for partaking of the Lord's table in an unworthy manner (1 Cor. 11:29-30), indicating that this is a particularly substantial sin.
Etc...
Not only are some sins greater, there is also a "greatest" sin, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 12:32).
All sins can be placed into two broad categories: sins of commission and sins of omission. This means that some sins are doing what we should not do, and others are not doing what we should do.
God singled out seven particular sins He cannot abide:
"There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: [l] haughty eyes, [2] a lying tongue, [3] hands that shed innocent blood, [4] a heart that devises wicked schemes, [5] feet that are quick to rush into evil, [6] a false witness who pours out lies and [7] a man who stirs up dissension among brothers. (Prov. 6:16-19).
Simply stated, these are pride, deceit, murder, plotting evil, quickness to do Wrong, false testimony, and troublemaking.
Etc...
THIS is why so many Christians are upset with, and make so many threads about, homosexualty!
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I'm not going to read all the responses, but I'll answer the question in the title.
Why are Christians so obsessed with homosexuality?
We're not. It get talked about a lot though because other people are obsessed with trying to force Christians to deny their beliefs and say that homosexuality isn't sinful.
Why are Christians so obsessed with homosexuality?
We're not. It get talked about a lot though because other people are obsessed with trying to force Christians to deny their beliefs and say that homosexuality isn't sinful.
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[h=1]Sex and the Body[/h][h=4]Bill Johnson[/h]Jul 21, 2013, 10:30 AM
Bill Johnson speaks on the power of the blood of Jesus to redeem us out of any lifestyle of sin. God, our loving Father, has zero approval for sin but He is always willing to help us. His grace does not excuse sin; it empowers righteous living!
Sex and the Body - Bethel Podcasts
Bill Johnson speaks on the power of the blood of Jesus to redeem us out of any lifestyle of sin. God, our loving Father, has zero approval for sin but He is always willing to help us. His grace does not excuse sin; it empowers righteous living!
Sex and the Body - Bethel Podcasts